Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[JB7]

I would do that in a heartbeat.

I think any version of Giannis + Ingram + shooters is going to win you a lot of games.

Making those all unprotected while relying on a duo that is heavily reliant on an unhealthy player staying healthy, and another increasingly injured player no longer being injured, is a horrible trade. Giannis has played 70 + games once in the last 6 years, and we all know BI's struggle with injuries.

The two of them probably barely play 50 games together, and lord only knows how the playoffs would work out.

Those picks absolutely need top 5-10 protections.

Lopez
Giannis
Middleton
Beasley
Lillard
No picks left

Poeltl
Giannis
Ingram
Agbaji or Dick or Walter
IQ
No picks left

Same type of injury concerns and very difficult to improve that roster.

I think that Bucks team was actually better lol. I dont see Masai putting this team in a potential hole they can’t get out of by giving up two young players and a boat load of first rounders. We would essentially turn into today’s Bucks if one player is injured. I think with Barnes, max he gives up are 3 first rounders with one at least being very far away. Masai would want to improve the roster around that core.

I agree. I don’t see Masai sacrificing all of the teams future picks. He is comfortable dealing more of the known than the unknown.

That’s why I think the Raps have a legit shot here, because the Bucks need more ready made talent than picks. I really don’t see a world where New Orleans trades the Bucks picks back. The upside for the Pelicans with those picks is too great. And so, Bucks need to be decent, with upside potential, and that is what the Raps can offer them in Barnes, Dick, Agbaji and the 9th pick.

[Clutch0z24]

But that's where "wanting to stay in the East" could help us.

Eliminates Rockets/Spurs.

Brooklyn doesn't give him a chance to win next year. Knicks would have to get very creative since they depleted their picks.

In the end, it's all guesswork. Going to be a fun offseason regardless.

Yep exaclty it will take him demanding the east and that is why what im trying to tell the posters who think we will get him in that scenario for peanuts why it prolly will not happen...Because at that point every team in the east is going to be throwing out some of their best offers....Even if Giannis makes a list....Cavs will offer Mitchell/Hunter, Celtics will offer Brown/White Knicks will offer OG/Bridges or KAT, Magic can offer Franz/Suggs + Picks....Yeah sure Giannis might not like some of them destinations but Bucks GM can still say "I sent you to a contender in the East"...

And that is where our draft picks come in....Sure we wouldn't want to give up our picks but it will be the only way we trump them player packages ^ that can potentially be offered...Which is why im saying we are prolly giving up Barnes and a draft pick package here...

If im wrong make Masai Prime minister if he gets Giannis for Barnes/Dick/9th pick and 1 pick thats top 10 protected..

This idea that we will get him for any type of discount is not based in reality. If he gets traded he will be the best player traded since Kareem. How many factors are working against us getting him and not having to give up everything?

-he’d have to say “Raptors or bust”. What are the odds of that? Less than 5%?

-even if we make the “list” that creates a bidding war because teams will know they can get an MVP level player and move heaven and earth to do so

-the trade market has gone crazy the past 5 years and prices have gone way up. AD said “Lakers or bust” and NOP still got a huge haul. KD said “PHX or bust” and BKN still got a huge haul. Now all of sudden Giannis (a better player) isn’t going to get a massive haul?

-GM’s are probably walking on egg shells not wanting to be the next Nico so they are going to try and extract maximum value

Everything points to the price for acquiring Giannis being massive. Even teams who were the ONLY option still had to pay huge prices for their star? Why would it be any different for us?

Thank you a sane mind here....I agree with everything you said....I remember being by myself with a handfull of posters on my side in the KD for OG/GTJR delusions....So many would get mad saying they have to accept OG/GTJR cause it would be the best players on the market for KD.....Some posters i feel will be on this kinda delusions with Giannis as well....If you do not offer up a good package that can outbid the tons of offers they will get for Giannis you are not getting him...At that point whats the point of even hoping for him in good faith...

Few posters here are acting as if Giannis is on his last legs and he is not a top 3 player who makes your team a legit contender day 1 walking in the door...Especially in the East...Bucks are going to get a haul...This isn't Dejounte Murray , Gobert, Even Donovan Mitchell...Its Giannis here lol..

[ForeverTFC]

Cavs trade Mitchell for Giannis thats a Huge upgrade and if you can pair Giannis with Mobley that would be like us teaming Giannis with a better fit Barnes.....All these teams if Giannis is being offered to you for a player package every team takes that deal because no player(s) will be better than Giannis....

Again Giannis is one of the best in the league....Any player being offered will always be worth it for the team getting Giannis....Thats why like i said teams with promising young players + Draft picks are appealing because they have Both...If you are unwilling to trade both picks + the prospects Bucks will just do the smarter thing and go get the best player they can which could be a Mitchell/OG-Bridges/Brown-White type of players...

a team would be dumb to reject an offer for Giannis for any other all star in the league outside of Shai/Jokic...

Sorry, I should have explained better. Your intuition is correct, but you're missing cap implications and current CBA rules.

Cavs are a 2nd apron team next year I believe so would need to try and do the deal this year. However, even doing it this year (e.g. during the draft), the outcome can't put them in the 2nd apron and they would need to match the salary 100% which isn't possible. So they would need to first shed salary elsewhere before making the trade. That means they'll have to give up a bunch of depth without taking much - if any - salary back. This is already pretty difficult to pull off, but assuming they do, they would be too bare to then give up their best player as well. That's why I said, at best, it's Garland.

Boston and NY face similar hurdles and the packages you highlighted don't work under the current CBA. There aren't that many teams that would feasibly be good enough AND are able to trade for him under the current CBA with the limits it puts on salaries changing hands and aggregating players above the 2nd apron.

Mitchell makes 46 mill, Giannis makes 54 so i think if they just added Deandre Hunter along with Mitchell they would be fine...

That's too much salary, Bucks can't take it back. Bucks are in the 2nd apron so they can't aggregate and must take back equal to less than Giannis' salary.

I went and looked at their capsheet and I think they can do Mitchell+Okoro until June 30th. That keeps them under the first apron where they're hard-capped and satisfies the Bucks requirements. But the only thing they can attach to this are a 2031 first and 2030 swap. That won't cut it for Milwaukee and Mitchell likely isn't happy to go there and will ask out. I guess Bucks can trade Mitchell for a decent package? I'd be all in to be the 3rd team in that scenario and bring Mitchell here.

[Clutch0z24]

Sorry, I should have explained better. Your intuition is correct, but you're missing cap implications and current CBA rules.

Cavs are a 2nd apron team next year I believe so would need to try and do the deal this year. However, even doing it this year (e.g. during the draft), the outcome can't put them in the 2nd apron and they would need to match the salary 100% which isn't possible. So they would need to first shed salary elsewhere before making the trade. That means they'll have to give up a bunch of depth without taking much - if any - salary back. This is already pretty difficult to pull off, but assuming they do, they would be too bare to then give up their best player as well. That's why I said, at best, it's Garland.

Boston and NY face similar hurdles and the packages you highlighted don't work under the current CBA. There aren't that many teams that would feasibly be good enough AND are able to trade for him under the current CBA with the limits it puts on salaries changing hands and aggregating players above the 2nd apron.

Mitchell makes 46 mill, Giannis makes 54 so i think if they just added Deandre Hunter along with Mitchell they would be fine...

That's too much salary, Bucks can't take it back. Bucks are in the 2nd apron so they can't aggregate and must take back equal to less than Giannis' salary.

I went and looked at their capsheet and I think they can do Mitchell+Okoro until June 30th. That keeps them under the first apron where they're hard-capped and satisfies the Bucks requirements. But the only thing they can attach to this are a 2031 first and 2030 swap. That won't cut it for Milwaukee and Mitchell likely isn't happy to go there and will ask out. I guess Bucks can trade Mitchell for a decent package? I'd be all in to be the 3rd team in that scenario and bring Mitchell here.

Yeah its not really about who is unhappy or what trade is perfect...The teams will figure out the cap and stuff..I also think if Bucks give out Giannis alot of their guys have player options which they can opt out i think they will be able to take in salary....Portis/Lopez/GTJR/Pat Conn/KPJR are all free agents or have player options so they can opt out to free agency....They only really have Kuzma/Lillard and a few players on 2 million dollar deals...I think Bucks have enough cap to absorb salary....And im sure teams will put out packages will figure that stuff out...

But regardless all the East teams are going to offer up their best at a chance at a player who comes in and ups their chances at a title by about 70 percent....Which means a half assed offer from us prolly will not cut it...

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Mitchell makes 46 mill, Giannis makes 54 so i think if they just added Deandre Hunter along with Mitchell they would be fine...

That's too much salary, Bucks can't take it back. Bucks are in the 2nd apron so they can't aggregate and must take back equal to less than Giannis' salary.

I went and looked at their capsheet and I think they can do Mitchell+Okoro until June 30th. That keeps them under the first apron where they're hard-capped and satisfies the Bucks requirements. But the only thing they can attach to this are a 2031 first and 2030 swap. That won't cut it for Milwaukee and Mitchell likely isn't happy to go there and will ask out. I guess Bucks can trade Mitchell for a decent package? I'd be all in to be the 3rd team in that scenario and bring Mitchell here.

Yeah its not really about who is unhappy or what trade is perfect...The teams will figure out the cap and stuff..I also think if Bucks give out Giannis alot of their guys have player options which they can opt out i think they will be able to take in salary....Portis/Lopez/GTJR/Pat Conn/KPJR are all free agents or have player options so they can opt out to free agency....They only really have Kuzma/Lillard and a few players on 2 million dollar deals...I think Bucks have enough cap to absorb salary....And im sure teams will put out packages will figure that stuff out...

But regardless all the East teams are going to offer up their best at a chance at a player who comes in and ups their chances at a title by about 70 percent....Which means a half assed offer from us prolly will not cut it...

If Jimmy Butler got one of his choices of trade destinations after the horrible display he put on in Miami with no championships and no MVPs, I'm pretty sure the Bucks are going to send Giannis where he wants to go if the package is reasonable as he accomplished all those things there.

That'a how it works today, you show stars you treat them right and move them where they want to go, and other stars will be comfortable joining your team as a result.

[Clutch0z24]

That's too much salary, Bucks can't take it back. Bucks are in the 2nd apron so they can't aggregate and must take back equal to less than Giannis' salary.

I went and looked at their capsheet and I think they can do Mitchell+Okoro until June 30th. That keeps them under the first apron where they're hard-capped and satisfies the Bucks requirements. But the only thing they can attach to this are a 2031 first and 2030 swap. That won't cut it for Milwaukee and Mitchell likely isn't happy to go there and will ask out. I guess Bucks can trade Mitchell for a decent package? I'd be all in to be the 3rd team in that scenario and bring Mitchell here.

Yeah its not really about who is unhappy or what trade is perfect...The teams will figure out the cap and stuff..I also think if Bucks give out Giannis alot of their guys have player options which they can opt out i think they will be able to take in salary....Portis/Lopez/GTJR/Pat Conn/KPJR are all free agents or have player options so they can opt out to free agency....They only really have Kuzma/Lillard and a few players on 2 million dollar deals...I think Bucks have enough cap to absorb salary....And im sure teams will put out packages will figure that stuff out...

But regardless all the East teams are going to offer up their best at a chance at a player who comes in and ups their chances at a title by about 70 percent....Which means a half assed offer from us prolly will not cut it...

If Jimmy Butler got one of his choices of trade destinations after the horrible display he put on in Miami with no championships and no MVPs, I'm pretty sure the Bucks are going to send Giannis where he wants to go if the package is reasonable as he accomplished all those things there.

That'a how it works today, you show stars you treat them right and move them where they want to go, and other stars will be comfortable joining your team as a result.

Yep but like poster said....It would take Giannis to Demand a trade just to Raptors which is highly unlikely here....And even if that is the case....KD demanded Suns and got a haul in return, AD said Lakers only and Pels got a haul....The Goberts/Murrays Maybe did not get hauls because they are not on the level of a KD/AD....And Giannis is better than all these players...So even if he demands Toronto only which will prolly not happen....you are giving up a haul regardless you will not get him for peanuts....Or they just go to Giannis and say "Whats your 2nd destination Raptors are not playing ball with us" And Giannis is not a free agent next year so they can hold him if need be as they have 2 years to get a proper package for him...

Also i don't see Giannis being like Butler where he makes things ugly if he doesn't get what he wants..Just doesn't seem that type

Also if anyone thinks Giannis is not worth Barnes/Dick or Barrett #9 + 3FRP and a Swap is already delusional...

[earthtone]

That's too much salary, Bucks can't take it back. Bucks are in the 2nd apron so they can't aggregate and must take back equal to less than Giannis' salary.

I went and looked at their capsheet and I think they can do Mitchell+Okoro until June 30th. That keeps them under the first apron where they're hard-capped and satisfies the Bucks requirements. But the only thing they can attach to this are a 2031 first and 2030 swap. That won't cut it for Milwaukee and Mitchell likely isn't happy to go there and will ask out. I guess Bucks can trade Mitchell for a decent package? I'd be all in to be the 3rd team in that scenario and bring Mitchell here.

Yeah its not really about who is unhappy or what trade is perfect...The teams will figure out the cap and stuff..I also think if Bucks give out Giannis alot of their guys have player options which they can opt out i think they will be able to take in salary....Portis/Lopez/GTJR/Pat Conn/KPJR are all free agents or have player options so they can opt out to free agency....They only really have Kuzma/Lillard and a few players on 2 million dollar deals...I think Bucks have enough cap to absorb salary....And im sure teams will put out packages will figure that stuff out...

But regardless all the East teams are going to offer up their best at a chance at a player who comes in and ups their chances at a title by about 70 percent....Which means a half assed offer from us prolly will not cut it...

If Jimmy Butler got one of his choices of trade destinations after the horrible display he put on in Miami with no championships and no MVPs, I'm pretty sure the Bucks are going to send Giannis where he wants to go if the package is reasonable as he accomplished all those things there.

That'a how it works today, you show stars you treat them right and move them where they want to go, and other stars will be comfortable joining your team as a result.

KD wanted to go to Brooklyn, the Nets still got Bridges/Cam Johnson and 4 firsts.

Paul George wanted to go to LA, the Clippers still got SGA, Gallinari, 5 firsts and 2 pick swaps.

I agree the Bucks work with Giannis and send him where he wants to go if the package is reasonable, but I think people are really undervaluing what a ‘reasonable’ package looks like for Giannis.

[mdenny]

Well this thread went downhill.

Might have got lost in the murk....but tripod's zion idea is by far the best one I've seen here:

Raps get Giannis

NO gets Barnes

Bucks get:

-Zion
-their two picks/swaps from NO back
-2 future NO picks
-3 raptor picks
-salary filler (including some prospects)

Everyone wins here.

Raps get zion without tearing apart the existing roster. Might even be able to keep #9.

Pelicans turn zion into scotty and it costs them 4 picks (scotty is probably worth 3 picks and getting rid of zion is worth at least one so it's a great move for them)

Bucks jump on the zion grenade but they get 7 picks including, and most importantly, their own so they can tank. They also get those swaps back. They also get a few pieces in the salary filler: Maybe something like 2 prospects and 2 role players who can also be flipped for second rounders.

Any straight up trade has a limit of 4 picks.....and here the bucks are getting 7 knowing full well that zion may never even suit up for them. They also get those swaps back, further enabling the tank. Of those 7 picks....at least 3 to 4 of them will be lottery picks. So it's not one of those "4 mid to late round pick" deals.

Everyone wins. The only thing left for the Raptors to do is sign fred vanvleet to a player/coach deal and replace Darko with him.

Interesting idea, but that is a lot NO is offering up. Considering where they are right now, I would rather hold onto Zion, and all the picks/swaps from the Bucks.

Zion’s value is rock bottom. I would rather let him try and play his way out of it. He has to be on his best behaviour because the threat of the Pelicans choosing to opt out of his deal is probably real now. And they always have that option if things go worse. And if NO opts out of the deal, Zion is not getting anything close to that money from another team.

With the Bucks picks, once Giannis is traded, regardless of what they get back, they will be a team at best competing for a play-in spot, and at worst potentially the worst team in the East. And what the lottery has shown is any chance can end up a good pick.

Adding Barnes is not making NO anything in the West. No reason to mortgage all that future for Barnes. Especially a team like the Pelicans, that will never be able to attract stars through FA. They need as many chances in the draft that they can get, and hope they hit on a couple of picks.

Personally....I think you are underestimating how much of a problem it is to have zion on your team right now. They've been waiting for him to play out of a declining value for 5 years now.

He needs to go to a team that doesn't care if he suits up for another game.

It's been 6 years now. If he were on the Raptors....we'd be BEGGING to get off from him.

Zion plus 4 picks (2 of them are in the upcoming draft) and you get scotty barnes back is a Houdini escape hatch.

By the time preseason starts....NO magically has scotty Barnes and only owes 2 future picks while putting to bed the 6 year long nightmare that has been zion.

The two buck picks they own are 2025 and 2027.

So the current buck pick is in the 20s. So they are only losing a single pick from the post giannis Bucks.

[ForeverTFC]

Mitchell makes 46 mill, Giannis makes 54 so i think if they just added Deandre Hunter along with Mitchell they would be fine...

That's too much salary, Bucks can't take it back. Bucks are in the 2nd apron so they can't aggregate and must take back equal to less than Giannis' salary.

I went and looked at their capsheet and I think they can do Mitchell+Okoro until June 30th. That keeps them under the first apron where they're hard-capped and satisfies the Bucks requirements. But the only thing they can attach to this are a 2031 first and 2030 swap. That won't cut it for Milwaukee and Mitchell likely isn't happy to go there and will ask out. I guess Bucks can trade Mitchell for a decent package? I'd be all in to be the 3rd team in that scenario and bring Mitchell here.

Yeah its not really about who is unhappy or what trade is perfect...The teams will figure out the cap and stuff..I also think if Bucks give out Giannis alot of their guys have player options which they can opt out i think they will be able to take in salary....Portis/Lopez/GTJR/Pat Conn/KPJR are all free agents or have player options so they can opt out to free agency....They only really have Kuzma/Lillard and a few players on 2 million dollar deals...I think Bucks have enough cap to absorb salary....And im sure teams will put out packages will figure that stuff out...

But regardless all the East teams are going to offer up their best at a chance at a player who comes in and ups their chances at a title by about 70 percent....Which means a half assed offer from us prolly will not cut it...

Cleveland can't wait for next season. They have to make the trade before the new season starts on June 30th. They become an apron team next year with their committed salary and won't be able to aggregate anymore.

[JB7]

Well this thread went downhill.

Might have got lost in the murk....but tripod's zion idea is by far the best one I've seen here:

Raps get Giannis

NO gets Barnes

Bucks get:

-Zion
-their two picks/swaps from NO back
-2 future NO picks
-3 raptor picks
-salary filler (including some prospects)

Everyone wins here.

Raps get zion without tearing apart the existing roster. Might even be able to keep #9.

Pelicans turn zion into scotty and it costs them 4 picks (scotty is probably worth 3 picks and getting rid of zion is worth at least one so it's a great move for them)

Bucks jump on the zion grenade but they get 7 picks including, and most importantly, their own so they can tank. They also get those swaps back. They also get a few pieces in the salary filler: Maybe something like 2 prospects and 2 role players who can also be flipped for second rounders.

Any straight up trade has a limit of 4 picks.....and here the bucks are getting 7 knowing full well that zion may never even suit up for them. They also get those swaps back, further enabling the tank. Of those 7 picks....at least 3 to 4 of them will be lottery picks. So it's not one of those "4 mid to late round pick" deals.

Everyone wins. The only thing left for the Raptors to do is sign fred vanvleet to a player/coach deal and replace Darko with him.

Interesting idea, but that is a lot NO is offering up. Considering where they are right now, I would rather hold onto Zion, and all the picks/swaps from the Bucks.

Zion’s value is rock bottom. I would rather let him try and play his way out of it. He has to be on his best behaviour because the threat of the Pelicans choosing to opt out of his deal is probably real now. And they always have that option if things go worse. And if NO opts out of the deal, Zion is not getting anything close to that money from another team.

With the Bucks picks, once Giannis is traded, regardless of what they get back, they will be a team at best competing for a play-in spot, and at worst potentially the worst team in the East. And what the lottery has shown is any chance can end up a good pick.

Adding Barnes is not making NO anything in the West. No reason to mortgage all that future for Barnes. Especially a team like the Pelicans, that will never be able to attract stars through FA. They need as many chances in the draft that they can get, and hope they hit on a couple of picks.

Personally....I think you are underestimating how much of a problem it is to have zion on your team right now. They've been waiting for him to play out of a declining value for 5 years now.

He needs to go to a team that doesn't care if he suits up for another game.

It's been 6 years now. If he were on the Raptors....we'd be BEGGING to get off from him.

Zion plus 4 picks (2 of them are in the upcoming draft) and you get scotty barnes back is a Houdini escape hatch.

By the time preseason starts....NO magically has scotty Barnes and only owes 2 future picks while putting to bed the 6 year long nightmare that has been zion.

The two buck picks they own are 2025 and 2027.

So the current buck pick is in the 20s. So they are only losing a single pick from the post giannis Bucks.

If they want out of the Zion business, all his years are team options now. They can just choose to not pick up the option.

Don’t they have a swap with the Bucks as well in 2026?

Why trade all of those FRPs, which are likely decent to high lottery picks, for Barnes?

[Axe Dragon]

We can't keep Poeltl if Giannis comes over. A front court with zero outside shooting is a death sentence in today's NBA.

Not, when one of them is Giannis. Just his presence alone, will suck the defense in to him and creates opportunities for everybody else.

Can you name me the last team that made the NBA Finals with both frontcourt players being poor long range shooters?

Golden State?

Axe


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[MessiahUjiri]

The big fish is Durant. We can’t trade for Giannis because Scottie is ineligible to be traded until mid July, and I think Giannis gets dealt by the draft.



3 team with UTAH and PHX

Goals:
Phoenix: Drop salary, retool around Booker by bolstering front court and youth

Toronto: Go for a big fish in Durant. Go for it in the East.

Utah: Add talent. Trade Kessler if you won’t extend him. Hunt for another top pick next year.





The trade:

Phoenix:
K Durant
for
J Poeltl, J Collins, ‘25 TOR 1st (#9), ‘27 TOR 1st


Toronto:
J Poeltl, RJ Barrett, G Dick, ‘25 1st (#9), ‘27 1st, ‘26 LAL 2nd
for
K Durant, W Kessler


Utah:
W Kessler, J Collins
for
RJ Barrett, G Dick, ‘26 LAL 2nd








Phoenix:
Use the #9 to draft their future PG in Kasparas Jaku, or draft their future PF in CMB or Essengue


D Booker / T Jones
B Beal / C Martin
R Dunn / G Allen
J Collins / (draft) Essengue
J Poeltl / N Richards



Toronto:

I Quickley / J Shead
B Ingram / J Walter
K Durant / O Agbaji
S Barnes / J Mogbo
W Kessler / C Boucher

[TGM]

NY is one team I wouldn’t rule out. If the Bucks still want to compete, the Knicks could offer a Bridges and Towns deal to get Giannis or and OG Towns package. That’s pretty enticing if I’m the Bucks.

[djsunyc]

NY is one team I wouldn’t rule out. If the Bucks still want to compete, the Knicks could offer a Bridges and Towns deal to get Giannis or and OG Towns package. That’s pretty enticing if I’m the Bucks.

that's a good deal 2 years from now. with no dame next year, that wont win too much.

[SpezNc]

In the unlikely event that Raptors materialize a Giannis’s trade, am I correct to assume that if the deal involve Scottie Barnes that the trades would need to wait for July 2025 and therefore after the draft for his new salary to kick in ?

It’s hard to match Giannis’s salary with Barnes at 10M even with RJ. There is also the poison pill with Barnes. I am not sure a deal involving Barnes before July can happens .

During the summer this would means that the trade could include the player selected 9th signed (after 30 days) as well as 1st pick in 2026, 2028, 2030, 2032 and up to 3 swaps with Barnes with his max salary as ongoing salary.

I am not saying we give all that (too risky IMHO) but there is more draft capital available to trade during the summers.

If a Giannis’s deal is to happens I think it’s NOT going to come before August in my opinion .

And I say “if”.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

In the unlikely event that Raptors materialize a Giannis’s trade, am I correct to assume that if the deal involve Scottie Barnes that the trades would need to wait for July 2025 and therefore after the draft for his new salary to kick in ?

It’s hard to match Giannis’s salary with Barnes at 10M even with RJ. There is also the poison pill with Barnes. I am not sure a deal involving Barnes before July can happens .

During the summer this would means that the trade could include the player selected 9th signed (after 30 days) as well as 1st pick in 2026, 2028, 2030, 2032 and up to 3 swaps with Barnes with his max salary as ongoing salary.

I am not saying we give all that (too risky IMHO) but there is more draft capital available to trade during the summers.

If a Giannis’s deal is to happens I think it’s NOT going to come before August in my opinion .

And I say “if”.

No, I believe it's the extension amount that counts against Milwaukee's cap in that scenario

[SpezNc]

In the unlikely event that Raptors materialize a Giannis’s trade, am I correct to assume that if the deal involve Scottie Barnes that the trades would need to wait for July 2025 and therefore after the draft for his new salary to kick in ?

It’s hard to match Giannis’s salary with Barnes at 10M even with RJ. There is also the poison pill with Barnes. I am not sure a deal involving Barnes before July can happens .

During the summer this would means that the trade could include the player selected 9th signed (after 30 days) as well as 1st pick in 2026, 2028, 2030, 2032 and up to 3 swaps with Barnes with his max salary as ongoing salary.

I am not saying we give all that (too risky IMHO) but there is more draft capital available to trade during the summers.

If a Giannis’s deal is to happens I think it’s NOT going to come before August in my opinion .

And I say “if”.

No, I believe it's the extension amount that counts against Milwaukee's cap in that scenario

Thank you that would make sense .

The ESPN trade machine still includes the 10M therefore I was a bit confused.

Fanspo is using the extension amount like you said

[earthtone]

In the unlikely event that Raptors materialize a Giannis’s trade, am I correct to assume that if the deal involve Scottie Barnes that the trades would need to wait for July 2025 and therefore after the draft for his new salary to kick in ?

It’s hard to match Giannis’s salary with Barnes at 10M even with RJ. There is also the poison pill with Barnes. I am not sure a deal involving Barnes before July can happens .

During the summer this would means that the trade could include the player selected 9th signed (after 30 days) as well as 1st pick in 2026, 2028, 2030, 2032 and up to 3 swaps with Barnes with his max salary as ongoing salary.

I am not saying we give all that (too risky IMHO) but there is more draft capital available to trade during the summers.

If a Giannis’s deal is to happens I think it’s NOT going to come before August in my opinion .

And I say “if”.

No, I believe it's the extension amount that counts against Milwaukee's cap in that scenario

Thank you that would make sense .

The ESPN trade machine still includes the 10M therefore I was a bit confused.

Fanspo is using the extension amount like you said

You’re still right though, it’d be extremely difficult to make any deal work and nearly impossible to make at Scottie centred deal with before July 1st.

For ‘poison pills’, any outgoing salary gies on the books as the current salary, while for the incoming team it’s priced as the extension.

Any trade before the start of next season Scottie would count as a $10 mil outgoing salary for Toronto, but a $38 mil incoming salary for Milwaukee

[Nebuchadnezzar]

No, I believe it's the extension amount that counts against Milwaukee's cap in that scenario

Thank you that would make sense .

The ESPN trade machine still includes the 10M therefore I was a bit confused.

Fanspo is using the extension amount like you said

You’re still right though, it’d be extremely difficult to make any deal work and nearly impossible to make at Scottie centred deal with before July 1st.

For ‘poison pills’, any outgoing salary gies on the books as the current salary, while for the incoming team it’s priced as the extension.

Any trade before the start of next season Scottie would count as a $10 mil outgoing salary for Toronto, but a $38 mil incoming salary for Milwaukee

It's all good the extension counts against Milwaukee's cap even if Scottie is dealt before July 1st

[Clutch0z24]

Giannis will have major input into his next team so no, I don't see a multi team bidding war unless Giannis has multiple teams on his list.

So you are assuming he picks Toronto and only Toronto...Gotcha....Also hes not a free agent next year...He has 2 years and than a PO....Sure if Bucks want to do him the solid and trade him to the spot he wants sure...But they do not have to oblige to that considering teams like the Celtics/Cavs/Knicks types will be fine having Giannis for 2 years to compete in the weak east....So much would have to transpire for it to go the way your thinking it will go down....Which is a little far fetched....Giannis most likey will have multiple destinations and if the team that he demands to go too does not play ball with them they just ignore Giannis demands....Bucks have some control in this situation....

Every summer you do this same song and dance. You try to convince anyone that wohld listen that Toronto doesn't have the assets. Not for kd. Not for dame the next summer.

Yet im sure we all remember shams REPORTED dame to Toronto before deleting it last second. The reason being it was DAME that chose the Bucks over Toronto at the last moment. You were very wrong about us not having the assets for him back then too.

You simply never know how things turn out. Lets stop pretending we do.

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Ok makes sense why you posted this to me.... I don't remember many posters names but i figured you were one of the ones who was riding heavy for that GTJR/OG for KD package....Which i was constantly clowning them posters back in them days....So i see why you feel some kinda way....Just don't be as foolish this time around with as bad trade packages for Giannis...Giannis is younger and better than when KD got traded remember that.