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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#961 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:53 am

stuporman wrote:The meltdown when Hurley says no thanks, Bryant stays in Cleveland with his boy, Leon decides Wright is too divisive of a choice for the lockeroom being too close to the Nova boys and considering he's a never before NBA coach risk so trots out retread Malone or someone like that....will be bigly.


They ain’t firing Thibs unless they already have someone in mind. That ain’t how Leon rolls.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#962 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:54 am

I did NOT see this coming. They better not fuq this up!
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#963 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:55 am

Susan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.


Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

Context wrote:I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.


So we keep running it back with the same coach where we know we won’t win a ring?
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#964 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:58 am

BKlutch wrote:Begley said two more really interesting things:
He could see Rick Brunson staying with the team, as only Thibs coaching tree assistants would be let go.
He also sees Thibs' best opportunity to return to the NBA would be as a defensive coaching assistant.


Thibs coaching tree was
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#965 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:58 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:I did NOT see this coming. They better not fuq this up!


Rejoice bro. Rejoice.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#966 » by Capn'O » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:02 am

Susan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.


Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

Context wrote:I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.


With all due respect, there are a lot of Bulls fans today projecting what happened to your franchise onto us and it's a really clumsy parallel. Thibs was holding that team together like duct tape and his departure exposed the incompetence and rot behind him. Now, he may have been partly responsible for certain players falling apart towards the end of his tenure there but there really wasn't a lot left and management made bad decision after bad decision in his wake. That breakup was done to save their own ass.

We're in comparatively pretty good shape. All of our main players are healthy and in their primes. We have two players that made All NBA _this_ season. No substantial injuries on any of them. We're a little thin but do have some up and coming players that could fill some of the needed roles. We're also more likely to pick up ring chasers/mercenaries without Thibs as there will actually be roles available to bench players.

Leon Rose's firing isn't grasping at straws to save his own ass. He could have held Thibs and coasted along to 50+ win seasons for a few more years. THere aren't really major personality conflicts. He's being proactive and trying for something greater. It's possible it could backfire but the floor isn't the same as it was when Thibs got here. Remove him from the team that faced Atlanta in the first round four years ago and it doesn't make the play-in. This incarnation could coach itself into the playoffs. But can you find a driver to really make the machine hum? I think it's worth the try. And if they can't, they're next.



As another poster said, he really would be a great coach for the Bulls again.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#967 » by cgmw » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:06 am

cgmw wrote:March 7, 2021

Prediction: Thibs will coach the sh*t out of this current contract, then get a MASSIVE extension, and that's when he and Dolan will begin to hate each other. Thibs will end up with a buyout, a cognac, and a smoking jacket with Phil, Larry, Joakim, Bobby Bonilla and the rest of them (Bobby Bo was a Knick, right?)
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#968 » by Spot31 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:07 am

Susan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.


Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

Context wrote:I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.


Without a doubt Jalen Brunson doesn't make it to an All NBA team without Tom Thibodeau. Same can be said for Julius Randle. Dude raised their level play and made them bonafide all stars. And as for James Dolan, thanks for sabotaging my favorite team and raising ticket prices you piece of garbage. Two wins away from the Finals and you decide to break things up? I just don't wanna live through those Fizdale Melo days again. I just hope we're good enough to make the playoffs next season. Heck if we make it to the second round I'll consider it a win.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#969 » by Context » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:07 am

Susan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.


Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

Context wrote:I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.

Sound like you have your mind made up. I guess we’ll see where we are in 12 months.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#970 » by cgmw » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:07 am

cgmw wrote:
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Prediction: Thibs will coach the sh*t out of this current contract, then get a MASSIVE extension, and that's when he and Dolan will begin to hate each other. Thibs will end up with a buyout, a cognac, and a smoking jacket with Phil, Larry, Joakim, Bobby Bonilla and the rest of them (Bobby Bo was a Knick, right?)
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#971 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:08 am

Capn'O wrote:
Susan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.


Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

Context wrote:I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.


With all due respect, there are a lot of Bulls fans today projecting what happened to your franchise onto us and it's a really clumsy parallel. Thibs was holding that team together like duct tape and his departure exposed the incompetence and rot behind him. Now, he may have been partly responsible for certain players falling apart towards the end of his tenure there but there really wasn't a lot left and management made bad decision after bad decision in his wake. That breakup was done to save their own ass.

We're in comparatively pretty good shape. All of our main players are healthy and in their primes. We have two players that made all NBA _this_ season. No substantial injuries on any of them. We're a little thin but do have some up and coming players that could fill some of the needed roles. We're also more likely to pick up ring chasers/mercenaries without Thibs as there will actually be roles available to bench players.

Leon Rose's firing isn't grasping at straws to save his own ass. He could have held Thibs and coasted along to 50+ win seasons for a few more years. He's being proactive and trying for something greater. It's possible it could backfire but the floor isn't the same as it was when Thibs got here. Remove him from the team that faced Atlanta in the first round four years ago and it doesn't make the play-in. This incarnation could coach itself into the playoffs. But can you find a driver to really make the machine hum? I think it's worth the try. And if they can't, they're next.



As another poster said, he really would be a great coach for the Bulls again.

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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#972 » by Context » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:09 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:I did NOT see this coming. They better not fuq this up!

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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#973 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:11 am

Susan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.


Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

Context wrote:I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.





The heart and soul of this team is Brunson, we had 1 winning season and 1 lottery season with Thibs before we got Brunson, Thibs was on the verge of being fired in Brunson's first season here because of how the team was performing. It was Brunson that saved his job. Also, Brunson killed the Jazz in the playoffs before he got here, outplaying Donovan Mitchell at the time. Thibs helped him, but all he needed was the chance to be great, nobody made him, just like Rose would have been great no matter what, because he was a number 1 pick.

Our situations are not similar either, when the Bulls fired Tom you all were a team caught between two different eras, Pau, Dunleavy and Hinrich were washed, Noah and Roses' knees were cooked, and then you had a group of young players like Jimmy, McDermott and Mirotic, with only Jimmy proving to be a starter. Unlike you, we have a set roster with almost everyone on the same timeline, a coach will come here and know exactly what he has to work with, there is no mystery surrounding this roster like there was with the Bulls. You guys also seem intent on trying to prove that college coaches don't suck in the NBA, contrary to all the proof piling up against them.

Your ownership sucks, ours has too, but it seems like Dolan is at least getting out of the way to let Leon run the team. We're not joining you in the abyss, sorry.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#974 » by Enzo954 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:11 am

Is it just me or am I suddenly noticing posters who I haven't seen all seasons suddenly appear once Thibs got fired? I don't recognize many people in this thread.
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Post#975 » by Capn'O » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:12 am

cgmw wrote:
cgmw wrote:March 7, 2021

Prediction: Thibs will coach the sh*t out of this current contract, then get a MASSIVE extension, and that's when he and Dolan will begin to hate each other. Thibs will end up with a buyout, a cognac, and a smoking jacket with Phil, Larry, Joakim, Bobby Bonilla and the rest of them (Bobby Bo was a Knick, right?)


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Post#976 » by DaGawd » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:12 am

Enzo954 wrote:Is it just me or am I suddenly noticing posters who I haven't seen all seasons suddenly appear once Thibs got fired? I don't recognize many people in this thread.

usually how it goes once the off season excitement starts
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#977 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:14 am

Spot31 wrote:
Susan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.


Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

Context wrote:I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.


Without a doubt Jalen Brunson doesn't make it to an All NBA team without Tom Thibodeau. Same can be said for Julius Randle. Dude raised their level play and made them bonafide all stars. And as for James Dolan, thanks for sabotaging my favorite team and raising ticket prices you piece of garbage. Two wins away from the Finals and you decide to break things up? I just don't wanna live through those Fizdale Melo days again. I just hope we're good enough to make the playoffs next season. Heck if we make it to the second round I'll consider it a win.


Hey didn’t you say who watches KFTV?
I guess Thibs didn’t!
Told you man, they have connections
How about that huh? Whodda thunk ??

Maybe you should start listening to the show, I call in often
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#978 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:14 am

Spot31 wrote:
Susan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.


Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

Context wrote:I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.


Without a doubt Jalen Brunson doesn't make it to an All NBA team without Tom Thibodeau. Same can be said for Julius Randle. Dude raised their level play and made them bonafide all stars. And as for James Dolan, thanks for sabotaging my favorite team and raising ticket prices you piece of garbage. Two wins away from the Finals and you decide to break things up? I just don't wanna live through those Fizdale Melo days again. I just hope we're good enough to make the playoffs next season. Heck if we make it to the second round I'll consider it a win.

The Knicks were a second round team this year. Without reasonable coaching. They luckboxed their way one step further. The actual results don't really matter. What matters is where the team is really at.

Ok. So we don't know who the HC will be, and we don't know the other off season moves. But this is a much better attempt than running it back. Whatever the "results" are. (Ofc, assuming the Knicks don't rehire David Fizdale or whatever.)
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#979 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:23 am

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
Spot31 wrote:
Susan wrote:
Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.



https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.


Without a doubt Jalen Brunson doesn't make it to an All NBA team without Tom Thibodeau. Same can be said for Julius Randle. Dude raised their level play and made them bonafide all stars. And as for James Dolan, thanks for sabotaging my favorite team and raising ticket prices you piece of garbage. Two wins away from the Finals and you decide to break things up? I just don't wanna live through those Fizdale Melo days again. I just hope we're good enough to make the playoffs next season. Heck if we make it to the second round I'll consider it a win.

The Knicks were a second round team this year. Without reasonable coaching. They luckboxed their way one step further. The actual results don't really matter. What matters is where the team is really at.

Ok. So we don't know who the HC will be, and we don't know the other off season moves. But this is a much better attempt than running it back. Whatever the "results" are. (Ofc, assuming the Knicks don't rehire David Fizdale or whatever.)


Exactly. Running it back gets you nowhere
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#980 » by G_K_F » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:25 am

Susan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.


Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

Context wrote:I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.

Could it be that the Bulls being terrible for the last decade is just their own incompetence and mismanagement?

I’m not sure Tom Thibodeau being fired over a decade ago is affecting the current Chicago Bulls. They’re just a bad organization.

I mean I don’t hear the same argument being made for the T Wolves. I think they’ve recovered quite well after Thibs. But I also don’t think that recovery reflects poorly on Thibs. They just hired a good GM and got better.

I think you are really overstating the value of Thibs here. I think he’s great for a franchise that needs a boost. He’s great establishing a culture and getting guys to play above their heads. But when it comes time for meaningful games in the playoffs his teams falter - which explains his career record of 47-56 in the playoffs.

I like Tom Thibodeau for what he represents as a coach and what he did for this franchise. However, quite simply he cannot win a championship with his coaching style and that’s been proven throughout his entire career with 3 different franchises. The man is who he is - and he’s not an NBA championship head coach.
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