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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#841 » by arkuo » Tue Jun 3, 2025 6:13 pm

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Kevin Durant is fool's gold. The Suns traded Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges, four unprotected first rounder picks (2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029) and a 2028 pick swap for him. This was one of the big reasons for the Suns downfall in the last few years. I would prefer going for someone younger than him.


I agree. I just think Nico has tendencies to go with this direction. Which I don't like. KD is an expiring so you don't have to keep him long. I kinda see the point with shedding contracts. But I dont like the fit.

If it came down to KD vs Herb Jones, who do you guys want?

Regardless of what people think about him KD actually would fit a need (scorer) more than Herb Jones would. KD is also clearly the better offensive player (by far). KD isn’t going to give you much defense though. If Nico wasn’t lying about why he traded Luka then there is zero reason he should have interest in KD. He’s just as bad as Luka on defense and Luka is a better offensive player.

With that said as much as the Mavs need offense I’d kind of like to see them attack the league with a glut of defensive wings. PJ/Flagg/Herb/Naji with Lively and AD behind them and Kyrie and whoever else they bring in as PG seems pretty formidable to me.



KD reminds me of Dirk at this stage of his career. He shoots that midrange fadeaway at a high clip. Dirk shoots 47% in comparison to KD's 52% from the field. So given that his weakness is D, if you flank him with AD and Flagg, similar to having Tyson and Marion with Dirk, I think he would be fine. You're paying him as a bucket getter and secondary playmaker in this scenario. Kyrie is out until March. Getting KD could solve that problem. The offensive playbook will change for sure. KD moves differently and the ball will be with him.

Like I said in another post, KD is also an expiring deal. He will serve his purpose while Kyrie is out. That is still a $54M expiring contract. Guys like Coby White and Austin Reaves are likely to hit free agency. Norm Powell, Lu Dort, Mikal Bridges, Anfernee Simmons, among others. You can afford those names now.

So the way I look at it, 1 year of KD, then its a $54M expiring deal if it doesn't work. And that 1 year of KD squares up with Kyrie being out until March. You will need a someone to get buckets aside from AD. KD can make plays and he draws double teams. In my mind, after next year, you let KD walk, sign Reaves and Dort and run it back. Highly likely that LA can't keep Reaves and OKC won't be able to afford Dort with SGA's new max contract looming, Holmgren and Jaylin Williams both have 1 year left on their deals. Assuming those 3 get max contracts. Dort walks for sure. Heck, even Trae Young can be a free agent around this time if you wanna go that route.

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C- AD / Lively
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#842 » by fuller4379 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 6:41 pm

Mr B wrote:So what happens if Nico actually surprises us and trades AD and keeps PJ and Gafford? Won’t ever happen I know, but if it did…


The problem with this is he might get embarrassingly little for AD. They traded a generational talent to get AD. The Nets got five first round picks for a borderline all-star in Mikal Bridges. That makes Luka worth at least eight first round picks. Maybe they get two first rounders and a couple role players for AD. I am not sure what his value is because he is always injured and there are several teams looking to shed payroll this role.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#843 » by Mr B » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:03 pm

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Mr B wrote:So what happens if Nico actually surprises us and trades AD and keeps PJ and Gafford? Won’t ever happen I know, but if it did…


The problem with this is he might get embarrassingly little for AD. They traded a generational talent to get AD. The Nets got five first round picks for a borderline all-star in Mikal Bridges. That makes Luka worth at least eight first round picks. Maybe they get two first rounders and a couple role players for AD. I am not sure what his value is because he is always injured and there are several teams looking to shed payroll this role.

There’s no denying Nico completely **** the bed on the Luka trade. That doesn’t mean he will automatically **** the bed on every other trade from here on out. He’s made some good deals along with his mistakes. Getting a low return for AD would really be AD’s fault not Nico’s. With that said the only way to get AD’s value close to where it was is for him to play well and play often.

The Mavs CANNOT be **** around with these half ass trainers. They were stupid and fired the best training staff in the NBA. If they are pinning their hopes on AD they better go out and hire the 2nd best training staff (whoever they are).

If AD can stay fairly healthy and play well the 1st half of the season the Mavs could get really good value in a trade for AD.

Again, this is all fantasy because we know he’s not trading AD.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#844 » by Mr B » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:05 pm

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I agree. I just think Nico has tendencies to go with this direction. Which I don't like. KD is an expiring so you don't have to keep him long. I kinda see the point with shedding contracts. But I dont like the fit.

If it came down to KD vs Herb Jones, who do you guys want?

Regardless of what people think about him KD actually would fit a need (scorer) more than Herb Jones would. KD is also clearly the better offensive player (by far). KD isn’t going to give you much defense though. If Nico wasn’t lying about why he traded Luka then there is zero reason he should have interest in KD. He’s just as bad as Luka on defense and Luka is a better offensive player.

With that said as much as the Mavs need offense I’d kind of like to see them attack the league with a glut of defensive wings. PJ/Flagg/Herb/Naji with Lively and AD behind them and Kyrie and whoever else they bring in as PG seems pretty formidable to me.



KD reminds me of Dirk at this stage of his career. He shoots that midrange fadeaway at a high clip. Dirk shoots 47% in comparison to KD's 52% from the field. So given that his weakness is D, if you flank him with AD and Flagg, similar to having Tyson and Marion with Dirk, I think he would be fine. You're paying him as a bucket getter and secondary playmaker in this scenario. Kyrie is out until March. Getting KD could solve that problem. The offensive playbook will change for sure. KD moves differently and the ball will be with him.

Like I said in another post, KD is also an expiring deal. He will serve his purpose while Kyrie is out. That is still a $54M expiring contract. Guys like Coby White and Austin Reaves are likely to hit free agency. Norm Powell, Lu Dort, Mikal Bridges, Anfernee Simmons, among others. You can afford those names now.

So the way I look at it, 1 year of KD, then its a $54M expiring deal if it doesn't work. And that 1 year of KD squares up with Kyrie being out until March. You will need a someone to get buckets aside from AD. KD can make plays and he draws double teams. In my mind, after next year, you let KD walk, sign Reaves and Dort and run it back. Highly likely that LA can't keep Reaves and OKC won't be able to afford Dort with SGA's new max contract looming, Holmgren and Jaylin Williams both have 1 year left on their deals. Assuming those 3 get max contracts. Dort walks for sure. Heck, even Trae Young can be a free agent around this time if you wanna go that route.

New team post-KD
C- AD / Lively
PF- Flagg
SF- Dort
SG- Reaves
PG- Kyrie

I do get that and I see the value in having his contract coming off the books. Besides free agents that money coming off the books would help in resigning PJ if that’s what they want to do next off season. It’s going to be interesting to see how much he’s asking for.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#845 » by Maverick41 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 11:02 pm

Something like this work?

DAL receives: Ivey + Fonteccio
PHX receives: T. Harris + Gafford + NajI + 26 DET FRP + 28 FRP swap from DAL (worst - likely OKC)
DET receives: KD

DAL gets a starting level guard in Ivey who's still really young and can grow with Flagg. He can fill in for Kyrie, pump up his own value and also big enough to play with Kyrie when he comes back. Fonteccio is a solid shooter with size. We clear about 5 mil in salaries too.

PHX breaks KD into 3 rotation players on good contracts (and movable), all of which likely start. They also get 2 FRPs.

DET pairs Cade with KD. KD is a really good fit with their young core since 3 of them can't really shoot (Ausar, Holland, Duren).
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Post#846 » by Heezzi » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:34 am

That trade is terrible.
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Post#847 » by Archx » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:25 am

Maverick41 wrote:Something like this work?

DAL receives: Ivey + Fonteccio
PHX receives: T. Harris + Gafford + NajI + 26 DET FRP + 28 FRP swap from DAL (worst - likely OKC)
DET receives: KD

DAL gets a starting level guard in Ivey who's still really young and can grow with Flagg. He can fill in for Kyrie, pump up his own value and also big enough to play with Kyrie when he comes back. Fonteccio is a solid shooter with size. We clear about 5 mil in salaries too.

PHX breaks KD into 3 rotation players on good contracts (and movable), all of which likely start. They also get 2 FRPs.

DET pairs Cade with KD. KD is a really good fit with their young core since 3 of them can't really shoot (Ausar, Holland, Duren).


You trying to get PHX to the finals or Pistons with this trade? :D
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Post#848 » by Maverick41 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 2:56 am

Archx wrote:You trying to get PHX to the finals or Pistons with this trade? :D

Am I overvaluing Ivey here? He's 23 years old, athletic, a bigger guard and averaged 18/4/4 on 46/40 shooting splits. Ideally we remove the 28 FRP swap and/or get a few of SRPs. Note this is Jaden Ivey not Royal Ivey :P
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Post#849 » by Michaellam1987 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:20 am

Maverick41 wrote:
Archx wrote:You trying to get PHX to the finals or Pistons with this trade? :D

Am I overvaluing Ivey here? He's 23 years old, athletic, a bigger guard and averaged 18/4/4 on 46/40 shooting splits. Ideally we remove the 28 FRP swap and/or get a few of SRPs. Note this is Jaden Ivey not Royal Ivey :P


It really depends on how high DET is on Ivey and how much they are willing to pay him
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Post#850 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:27 am

Maverick41 wrote:
Archx wrote:You trying to get PHX to the finals or Pistons with this trade? :D

Am I overvaluing Ivey here? He's 23 years old, athletic, a bigger guard and averaged 18/4/4 on 46/40 shooting splits. Ideally we remove the 28 FRP swap and/or get a few of SRPs. Note this is Jaden Ivey not Royal Ivey :P

You're undervaluing him, the swap needs to become a 1st...
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Post#851 » by Darren » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:09 am

NY has fired Thibodeau. Any interest?
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Post#852 » by Maverick41 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 6:41 am

Mavrelous wrote:
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Archx wrote:You trying to get PHX to the finals or Pistons with this trade? :D

Am I overvaluing Ivey here? He's 23 years old, athletic, a bigger guard and averaged 18/4/4 on 46/40 shooting splits. Ideally we remove the 28 FRP swap and/or get a few of SRPs. Note this is Jaden Ivey not Royal Ivey :P

You're undervaluing him, the swap needs to become a 1st...

That's what I originally thought hence the confusion. The swap is a 1st as it's the worst of 28 between OKC and DAL (from the Gaff trade).

An Ivey/Flagg/Lively core is fun and gives us something to look forward to. Personally would love to FINALLY have some athleticism in the backcourt.
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Post#853 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jun 4, 2025 6:43 am

Brunson thrived under Kidd, I think he's pushing for it
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Post#854 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:18 am

Yes Jalen, push hard. We can add Harrison to that **** package.
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Post#855 » by arkuo » Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:25 am

Give Kidd to New York and hire Mike Malone maybe? Would Malone be able to develop Flagg or stunt his growth?

The most funny thing is if Dumont decides to cut costs and hires James Borrego to develop Flagg :lol:

Might as well send Flagg to Milwaukee for Giannis to be honest. No development needed. Giannis is a finished product.
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Post#856 » by arkuo » Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:26 am

Mavrelous wrote:Brunson thrived under Kidd, I think he's pushing for it
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It's the Brunson family mafia running new york. Now that Ric was able to serve Jalen on a platter, Leon Rose and company owe him one.
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Post#857 » by Maverick41 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:31 am

Mavrelous wrote:Brunson thrived under Kidd, I think he's pushing for it
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NY can have him. Would be doing us a favor.
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Post#858 » by arkuo » Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:42 am

If Kidd leaves for NY, I have zero trust that Nico will hire based on merit. it will just be about "his guys" again. So unless there is a Eric Spoelstra or Ty Lue to be hired, I don't see an upgrade. If you leave it for Nico, he'll probably hire an unqualified yes man again. Someone he can control but with lesser credentials.

For Kidd, I can see him leaving. Nico is on his way out eventually. And he is a Cuban hire. He's not a Dumont hire. The NY contract is likely a 3 year deal. I think he takes it. Even if you're fired, you get the whole amount in the contract.
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Post#859 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:47 am

Yeah, I'm in favour of him leaving, that sedated psycho schtick got old real fast...
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Post#860 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 4, 2025 10:53 am

Mavrelous wrote:Brunson thrived under Kidd, I think he's pushing for it
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Oh please please please let this happen. And force NY to give us draft capital to make it happen. This would be a dream.
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