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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#801 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:36 am

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Klomp wrote:Interesting point on Dane Moore's show. Using soundbites from Connelly saying there's not much gap between 17 and 31, Moore/Hine surmise that 17 could be trade bait. They also remind listeners that Connelly has never stood pat on draft night since coming here, so they expect a trade of some sort.

Unless one of those top guys were to fall then I agree.

Flagg is his own tier, then Harper. Then there's roughly 7 more guys I'd expect to guy in some order(Edgecomb, Bailey, Fears, Knuppel, Maluach, Tre Johnson, and Jakucionis). Then I'd say Queen, Newell, Essengue, and Bryant will be in the next tier. So after ~13 guys I think 14 to about 35(?) is very similar in terms of prospects. If we could maneuver around, get some future draft capital, maybe even move some guys with murky futures(Minott/Miller) and still come away with 1 or 2 guys we're really high on it seems like a no brainer.

Yep. One other thing they talked about that I forgot to mention is that the 17 salary slot is like $4 million. So for luxury tax/apron purposes, that's significant.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#802 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:01 am

Battletrigger wrote:What happened to Wolf? Some weeks ago I saw him related to Wolves or higher but lately is in the 20s.

I though he had good defense with handles and 3 PT...

Think of him as a bigger (center version of) Naz Reid. Take that as you wish.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#803 » by Krapinsky » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:46 am

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Battletrigger wrote:What happened to Wolf? Some weeks ago I saw him related to Wolves or higher but lately is in the 20s.

I though he had good defense with handles and 3 PT...

Think of him as a bigger (center version of) Naz Reid. Take that as you wish.


How about a bigger Joe Ingles? I think Wolf’s passing is what sets him apart and Wolves certainly need more capable ball handlers and passers up and down roster. He’ll be fun to watch in the NBA with more pace and space. I’m coming around on him as potential option at 17.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#804 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:50 am

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Battletrigger wrote:What happened to Wolf? Some weeks ago I saw him related to Wolves or higher but lately is in the 20s.

I though he had good defense with handles and 3 PT...

Think of him as a bigger (center version of) Naz Reid. Take that as you wish.


How about a bigger Joe Ingles? I think Wolf’s passing is what sets him apart and Wolves certainly need more capable ball handlers and passers up and down roster. He’ll be fun to watch in the NBA with more pace and space. I’m coming around on him as potential option at 17.

I think Wolf is a little more reckless with his passing, from what I've heard. Honestly, in terms of his passing, he's got a bit of KAT in him (in that he likes flash and often goes for style over substance).
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#805 » by minimus » Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:21 am

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Klomp wrote:Think of him as a bigger (center version of) Naz Reid. Take that as you wish.


How about a bigger Joe Ingles? I think Wolf’s passing is what sets him apart and Wolves certainly need more capable ball handlers and passers up and down roster. He’ll be fun to watch in the NBA with more pace and space. I’m coming around on him as potential option at 17.

I think Wolf is a little more reckless with his passing, from what I've heard. Honestly, in terms of his passing, he's got a bit of KAT in him (in that he likes flash and often goes for style over substance).


High volume passer for sure, but questionable decision maker
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#806 » by Battletrigger » Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:38 am

Klomp wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:What happened to Wolf? Some weeks ago I saw him related to Wolves or higher but lately is in the 20s.

I though he had good defense with handles and 3 PT...

Think of him as a bigger (center version of) Naz Reid. Take that as you wish.


Well, a center Naz Reid with more rebound and defence could be very useful.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

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Post#809 » by minimus » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:04 pm

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Didn't know that Essengue has 9'4" standing reach. I wonder whether he can play in similar Vando role as high motor big wing from the bench next to Reid/Randle
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#810 » by jpatrick » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:17 pm

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Didn't know that Essengue has 9'4" standing reach. I wonder whether he can play in similar role as high motor big wing from the bench next to Reid/Randle


I’ve heard questions about that reach number based on his normal-ish wingspan. The international guys are supposed to being measured this week in Treviso, so we’ll get confirmation soon.

I’ve watched a couple of his games: one with Ulm and one at the U18 for France. His movement skills reminded me of Jaden McDaniels. Just that long wiry strong guy (he’s only about 200 lbs) that is flexible and able to stay in front of guys. Play hard too. Really good in transition and in drawing fouls. Never going to be a primary scorer, probably, but he is so young who knows. I think the shot will come around, good form, and he’ll be a great role player on a good team.

All that said, he is going top ten and will be long gone.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#811 » by Krapinsky » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:48 pm

All of the French guys -- Essengue, Traore, Beringer, Penda -- seem like candidates if we can keep them overseas for a year or two due to our second apron woes and fact they won't crack rotation until then anyway. Has anyone heard about any of those guys willing to stay in Europe for awhile?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#812 » by jpatrick » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:48 pm

Krapinsky wrote:All of the French guys -- Essengue, Traore, Beringer, Penda -- seem like candidates if we can keep them overseas for a year or two due to our second apron woes and fact they won't crack rotation until then anyway. Has anyone heard about any of those guys willing to stay in Europe for awhile?


I don’t think any of them are willing to stay overseas. Maybe Penda. I believe there is a rule that if you draft them and don’t offer a contract, they become free agents. Usually guys that are clear first round picks want to come over, get the clock started on their career. Rubio being one of the exceptions (there have been others but that is usually known pre-draft).
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#813 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:50 pm

jpatrick wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:All of the French guys -- Essengue, Traore, Beringer, Penda -- seem like candidates if we can keep them overseas for a year or two due to our second apron woes and fact they won't crack rotation until then anyway. Has anyone heard about any of those guys willing to stay in Europe for awhile?


I don’t think any of them are willing to stay overseas. Maybe Penda. I believe there is a rule that if you draft them and don’t offer a contract, they become free agents. Usually guys that are clear first round picks want to come over, get the clock started on their career. Rubio being one of the exceptions (there have been others but that is usually known pre-draft).

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#814 » by BlacJacMac » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:59 pm

jpatrick wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:All of the French guys -- Essengue, Traore, Beringer, Penda -- seem like candidates if we can keep them overseas for a year or two due to our second apron woes and fact they won't crack rotation until then anyway. Has anyone heard about any of those guys willing to stay in Europe for awhile?


I don’t think any of them are willing to stay overseas. Maybe Penda. I believe there is a rule that if you draft them and don’t offer a contract, they become free agents. Usually guys that are clear first round picks want to come over, get the clock started on their career. Rubio being one of the exceptions (there have been others but that is usually known pre-draft).


49. What if the team and their drafted player can't agree to a contract? What options does the player have? How long does the team keep his draft rights?

The player's options are limited. What happens depends on a number of factors:

• If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the drafting team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in team salary during the regular season while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.

• If the player goes on to play college ball after he was drafted, then the team retains the player's draft rights until one year following the draft the player would have entered had he not declared early. For example, if a team drafts a college sophomore in 2017 and he returns to college and plays intercollegiate basketball, then they retain his draft rights until the 2020 draft. Note that the NCAA rules state that players lose their NCAA eligibility if they are drafted, so the player currently cannot return or go on to play college ball. This rule exists in the CBA in the event the NCAA rules ever change.

• If the player was eligible to play in college before he was drafted but does not go on to play college basketball, then the team retains the player's draft rights until the draft the player would have entered had he not declared early. For example, if a team drafts a college sophomore in 2017 and he does not return to college and play intercollegiate basketball, they retain his draft rights until the 2019 draft.

• For all other players, the team retains the player's draft rights until the date of the next draft.

In any of the above cases, if the team does not sign the player in the allotted time, the player can enter the next draft. If the team that selects the player in the next draft doesn't sign him either, he becomes a rookie free agent on the date of the following draft.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#815 » by BlacJacMac » Wed Jun 4, 2025 6:33 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:Markovic 6'10.5" barefoot with 9'2" reach and 6'11.5" wingspan
Traore 6'3" barefoot with 6'8" wingspan
Faye 6'9" barefoot with 9'1.5" reach and 7'4.5" wingspan
Penda 6'7.25" barefoot with 8'10.5" reach and 6'11.5" wingspan

Still waiting on some others but maybe they won't be provided since they're still playing (Essengue, Hugo, Saraf)
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#816 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 4, 2025 10:42 pm

Really interesting discussion:



"A lot of the No. 1 options we see (in the league) weren't considered guys who could be No. 1 options."

Mentioned SGA, Tyrese, Jokic, Giannis, Brunson. Also mentioned Tatum was a top pick, but had concerns about his playmaking, and even Ant was a top pick but had plenty of questions.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#817 » by Klomp » Thu Jun 5, 2025 12:45 am

One thing that I think is important to think about is seamless integration. I know we all dream of ways that we think the offense and defense should run, but at the end of the day what really matters is how Finch wants to run things.

I wonder if that's a point in favor of a guy like Danny Wolf. I think his positional versatility on offense between C and PF is something Finch would really value. Speaking to a possible PF role, I think it's important to look at actions where we've seen Julius Randle, Naz Reid and even Karl-Anthony Towns over the past few years. To me, that's very similar to how Wolf was used in Michigan and where he looked very comfortable. You could even point to how Finch has deployed big men in past stops Toronto (Siakam), New Orleans (Davis, Cousins), and Denver (Jokic). Finch has no problem running an offense through the hands of a big man, which could allow Wolf's game to flourish in the NBA like it did at Michigan.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#818 » by Krapinsky » Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:21 am

KGdaBom wrote:I think I'm Egor or bust 1st round. At 31 I want Wolf, Fleming, Clayton Jr. Saraf, Hugo Gonzalez, Kam Jones or Thiero.


I’d love to roll the dice on Egor if he is there, but I have growing sense that he might go in top 10.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#819 » by cmoss84 » Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:54 am

Does Egor's game resemble Avdija's?
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Post#820 » by minimus » Thu Jun 5, 2025 5:36 am

cmoss84 wrote:Does Egor's game resemble Avdija's?

Current Avdija is the most fearless and physical driver among wings.

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