Breaking: Tom Fired

[HerSports85]

trade every pick left for ime udoka

I'll send that Washington FRP, along with any SRP and cash consideration so fast.

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[Fury]

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[MrDollarBills]

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Who gives a f*ck what this drunken POS thinks.

[E-Balla]

Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.



https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.

Could it be that the Bulls being terrible for the last decade is just their own incompetence and mismanagement?

I’m not sure Tom Thibodeau being fired over a decade ago is affecting the current Chicago Bulls. They’re just a bad organization.

I mean I don’t hear the same argument being made for the T Wolves. I think they’ve recovered quite well after Thibs. But I also don’t think that recovery reflects poorly on Thibs. They just hired a good GM and got better.

I think you are really overstating the value of Thibs here. I think he’s great for a franchise that needs a boost. He’s great establishing a culture and getting guys to play above their heads. But when it comes time for meaningful games in the playoffs his teams falter - which explains his career record of 47-56 in the playoffs.

I like Tom Thibodeau for what he represents as a coach and what he did for this franchise. However, quite simply he cannot win a championship with his coaching style and that’s been proven throughout his entire career with 3 different franchises. The man is who he is - and he’s not an NBA championship head coach.

Another excellent point. Minny is doing great.

That's because they got so terrible they ended up with the first overall pick and then they got Ant. 19 and 23 wins the 2 years after Thibs when Thibs had them around .500 without Jimmy is a pretty big deal.

The real reason Thibs has a bad playoff record is mainly that his teams OVERACHIEVE. Getting ousted in the first round 4-1 with a team other coaches would win 25-30 games with isn't a sign of bad coaching. It ain't many here who can say they had us beating Boston and I find it hard to blame a coach for multiple players not getting back on defense or OG/Hart having a historic choke game 1. Like my biggest issue with Thibs was he didn't bench our 5 highest paid players enough - that alone shows you Leon is the issue not Thibs.

[E-Balla]

This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.

Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.

I'm not saying he sucks offensively to say he's a bad coach. Objectively he sucks as an offensive coach. That's a known thing. Former players love him because they say he allows them to hoop but really all that means is unless you have high IQ players or Thibs is telling Mitch get it off the glass your offense will be stagnant.

[gavran]

Just say no to Kidd, once a Net, always a Net, you can never wash that stench off you, no matter how hard you try.

[E-Balla]

The heart and soul of this team is Brunson, we had 1 winning season and 1 lottery season with Thibs before we got Brunson, Thibs was on the verge of being fired in Brunson's first season here because of how the team was performing. It was Brunson that saved his job.

This is nasty. Thibs only had 2 years before Brunson got here and he won 41 games in a shortened season with a team projected to win 21 games, and 37 games with a team with no starting PG (Alec Burks was our point).

We're 19-17 without Brunson since we got him. Brunson carries our offense, Thibs makes sure they're prepared and 99% of the time that they give effort. This was our first team under Thibs that didn't seem to give max effort, and the two players we gave up the most assets to get this offseason are known throughout their careers to not give max effort. This isn't a Thibs problem, this is a Leon Rose problem. 7 picks, Julius, and Donte is enough to get Giannis or Jokic and we spent that on Mikal and KAT. Thibs didn't make Brunson great I told y'all he was Steve Nash 2.0 years ago, but also Thibs was great before he got here especially developing young guys which has always been his calling card. Lots of practice.

Our situations are not similar either, when the Bulls fired Tom you all were a team caught between two different eras, Pau, Dunleavy and Hinrich were washed, Noah and Roses' knees were cooked, and then you had a group of young players like Jimmy, McDermott and Mirotic, with only Jimmy proving to be a starter. Unlike you, we have a set roster with almost everyone on the same timeline, a coach will come here and know exactly what he has to work with, there is no mystery surrounding this roster like there was with the Bulls. You guys also seem intent on trying to prove that college coaches don't suck in the NBA, contrary to all the proof piling up against them.

Your ownership sucks, ours has too, but it seems like Dolan is at least getting out of the way to let Leon run the team. We're not joining you in the abyss, sorry.

I don't know how anyone can look at our current team and assets, and our team and assets at the beginning of last season and say we've improved. We lost to a team we went to 7 with last year while banged up. We won 51 games after winning 50 and we're healthier. We spent assets and got worse. This front office either lost their minds or Dolan is more involved than these exit meetings this last 2 seasons. This has been a horrible pivot to contention.

[E-Balla]

Like seriously we're praying our coach plays league minimum players more, while of our highest 5 paid players 4 have had their career years under Thibs - 3 of them this year - and the 5th had a better year than 2024, and we only won 1 more game (and 3 more playoff games) than the 2024 team.

How in the world do y'all have faith in Leon? I told y'all when Leon was doing good he was amazing and y'all hated him. Now he's doing a **** job and you love him lmao.

[E-Balla]

And to top it off some of you want Mike Malone. The Kings were literally last in the league in assists per game under him, his "offensive system" is Nikola Jokic, he doesn't make a lot of adjustments especially to his rotation (which got him fired), he doesn't trust his players much, he has absolutely no history of developing young talent unless you somehow want to credit him for Jokic/Murray/MPJ who are all good off their own development while everyone else hasn't improved much, his offense without Jokic on the floor is horrible and uncreative, his teams are always bottom in the league in 3 point shooting, his biggest positive as a coach is he found a way to hide Jokic on defense. He's literally a poor man's Thibs. In every way.

[god shammgod]

i would love udoka but i think you guys would be shocked to see how similar to thibs he is

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[HEZI]

Like seriously we're praying our coach plays league minimum players more, while of our highest 5 paid players 4 have had their career years under Thibs - 3 of them this year - and the 5th had a better year than 2024, and we only won 1 more game (and 3 more playoff games) than the 2024 team.

How in the world do y'all have faith in Leon? I told y'all when Leon was doing good he was amazing and y'all hated him. Now he's doing a **** job and you love him lmao.

The funniest part was seeing those that spent majority of the year saying how amazing the roster is and how Thibs was not maximizing it finally come to terms that it was flawed and then blamed the coach for not bringing 2/5 of the starters off the bench

It’s Thibs’ fault that he didn’t stagger Brunson and KAT enough. Imagine that, your roster is so flawed that you can’t even have your two best players on the court together for long stretches because it’s such a bad fit especially defensively. This somehow became a coaching issue instead of a roster construction issue.

Truth is we still have that issue and Leon now not only has to find a better coach but he also has to fix the roster. This is a big summer for him because if we don’t improve or even worse if we take a step back then we are screwed

[Moose]

How about we wait for the replacement before deciding if this move is a disaster?

If they bring in the right person, that's all that matters.

I think it will be Bryant or Malone. Wright is another option.

I prefer to roll the dice on Bryant, but admit there is a lot of unknowns, so it may not happen.

[CyKnickal]

Man this team is stupid as ****. Thibs has done nothing but overachieve and now he's gone and the guy we want to replace him with mostly is Mike Malone who's a poor man's Thibs.

Basically everyone on the team besides Mikal has had their career year under Thibs, and even in the case of Mikal he was better than last season. Minnesota was at the top of the lottery shortly after dropping Thibs, Chicago been on the treadmill since dropping Thibs, I hope y'all ready for another drought now that he's gone.

How did he overachieve?? The Knicks got progressively better every year he's been here. The front office needs to get credit for that. Meanwhile this doofus is running the much improved year 5 team like it still has Elfrid Payton and Reggie Bullock on it.

That's the problem most of us have with him....he doesn't evolve for anything.

I'm all for Jonny, don't care for retreads like Malone, but how is he a poor man's Thibs...he's a champion. Meanwhile your boy has the record for losing the most against lower seeded teams in the playoffs.

Fun fact of the day: Thibs Wolves team blew 22, TWENTY POINT LEADS in one season. It proves when the going gets rough, Tom....



Joke aside, it shows that this squad has mental fortitude to go through this season like this and still fight and come back from twenty down to defending champions over and over and over again, unlike that Wolves squad who once they got tired because they also dealt with his short rotations, would quit, even with twenty point leads, forget about deficits.

Give this team a real system, they deserve it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.

Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.

So we keep running it back with the same coach where we know we won’t win a ring?
The goal is to win a ring man. Come on.

That was literally one of the worst playoff runs I've ever seen. We played terribly all postseason. It was a miracle we even got out of the first round. Thibs is garbage.

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Yeah this guy could NEVER coach pros

My number 1 choice. Please Jay take James Dolans bag.

[god shammgod]

He had a God tier team with DRose in Chicago, and could never get them over the hump.

how can you have a god tier team when you don't even have a proper 2nd star ?

he was supposed to beat bron, wade & bosh with rose, noah & deng ? and the next year rose tore his acl and was never the same. he had 1 year of that team at full strength in the playoffs.

everyone repeats this argument but it's frankly ridiculous

it's fine they fired him but he didn't underachieve with the bulls and i don't think he did here either.

[Jalen Bluntson]

This is because Thibs has no offensive system so PGs by default get to play their game. Thibs offensive coaching is ass, make no mistakes.

Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.

I was talking about AFTER you lost Thibs. You didnt have a Brunson. Look...Brunson has put up historical numbers that EVEN Rose didnt accomplish.
Not taking away anything from Rose but -I'm not interested in having a discussion with anyone who cant acknowledge what Brunson has accomplished-
that only 1 or 2 other players in NBA history has...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.

Without a doubt Jalen Brunson doesn't make it to an All NBA team without Tom Thibodeau. Same can be said for Julius Randle. Dude raised their level play and made them bonafide all stars. And as for James Dolan, thanks for sabotaging my favorite team and raising ticket prices you piece of garbage. Two wins away from the Finals and you decide to break things up? I just don't wanna live through those Fizdale Melo days again. I just hope we're good enough to make the playoffs next season. Heck if we make it to the second round I'll consider it a win.

This is nonsense.

[Zenzibar]

trade every pick left for ime udoka

I'll send that Washington FRP, along with any SRP and cash consideration so fast.

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