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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1081 » by Adelheid » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:11 pm

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Go back and read the Bulls board from back then. They thought we were going to be champs once he left. THREE PLAYOFF VICTORIES IN A DECADE.



https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01.html

I don't want to come off as a hater in the slightest - I love Brunson and was rooting for y'all hard - as hard as I've rooted for any team in NBA in the last decade but look at that career arc. Once he got to NYC and played with Thibs, he took off. Just like he elevated Derrick to be the youngest MVP in NBA history - he's elevated Brunson. I hope for your sake Brunson continues to progress but I'm leery.

The reality is - the heart and soul that you've seen your team play with just got thrown away for the lottery ticket that you'll replace Thibs with a better coach. The reality is - there aren't that many dudes out there that are better than him, and while he has limitations, you just had one of the best playoff runs of your life. Coming from a fan who has had nothing to cheer for in a decade and is in NBA hell - I'd say I wouldn't be so quick to throw it away.

At the end of the day you're talking about James Dolan and he's just as incompetent as Jerry Reinsdorf. I hope you enjoyed these years with meaningful basketball, it sucks without them and I'd kill for the Thibs teams back in Chicago again.


So we keep running it back with the same coach where we know we won’t win a ring?
The goal is to win a ring man. Come on.


That was literally one of the worst playoff runs I've ever seen. We played terribly all postseason. It was a miracle we even got out of the first round. Thibs is garbage.


I really could not comprehend all these kerfuffle and bellyaching about what happened; its as if gregg popovich was our coach. jfc
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1082 » by matchman » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:16 pm

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Good we got that out the way.

i am willing to embrace the thought, that cp and the guys over there are more plugged in than i thought. i think he proved that, since he was correct 2 offseasons in a row now. He seemed like he indeed was onto something. i just didnt like how you attacked my fandom. i have lived in NY for many years, have family there an i am in NY multiple times a year. I just work in germany otherwise i wouldnt be here. And this forum is my only way to connect with likeminded people outside of some people on social media or groupchats. But its all good from my end. As i said it was an emotional rollercoaster all year.

i think bryant should be the guy. i personally would be a little more confident with him, since he sniffed success in the NBA. And i think wright might just be another thibs. but tbf i havent watched enough vallanova to really say that. but its the impression i have from him as a coach, he preaches the same things that thibs does or what am i missing?


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Wright is a good coach, inverts the offense and puts the big at the top , runs sets with the guards at the baseline and wings at the elbows . Theoretically helps Brunson out to get him more off ball and gets the game flowing thru KAT first. Defensively he ran a lot of 1-2-2 press defense. I don’t know if that translates to the nba, but he also runs regular 2-3 zone a LOT. It’s very interesting because it freshens up the game so much now for us

Also, what part of Germany are you at bro?


Yea it really seems like the traditional media is out of the loop mostly. at least when it comes to the knicks. would also explain why stephen a smith was enraged on national tv yesterday. he is mad he doesnt get the information fed and it hit him out left field. i thought that was funny.

thanks for the quick breakdown it definitley sounds good. although im not a huge zone fan in todays NBA. its nice if you can sprinkle it in every now and then. it can be super effective vs teams that are not feeling it on offense. but mostly i dislike zone, when the players fail to find their boxouts and we lose the boards. But again, if the team can make it work it can be an effecitve weapon for sure.

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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1083 » by Fat Kat » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:17 pm

Thibs is the cute chubby girl that took you in after you finished a bid. You then got a job, got your act together and decided to upgrade. Just gotta make sure this new chick isn’t batsh*t crazy and toxic. :o
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Post#1084 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:18 pm

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Post#1085 » by dukeknicksirish » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:19 pm

So based off those reports, its:

Johnnie Bryant - available

Ime Udoka - under contract

Jason Kidd - under contract

Jay Wright - publicly stated he doesn't want to coach in the NBA

Lets quit the nonsense and bring our guy Johnnie home!
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1086 » by gavran » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:19 pm

god shammgod wrote:i would love udoka but i think you guys would be shocked to see how similar to thibs he is

Not that similar. Thibs would never smash a coworker.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1087 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:19 pm

Adelheid wrote:
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So we keep running it back with the same coach where we know we won’t win a ring?
The goal is to win a ring man. Come on.


That was literally one of the worst playoff runs I've ever seen. We played terribly all postseason. It was a miracle we even got out of the first round. Thibs is garbage.


I really could not comprehend all these kerfuffle and bellyaching about what happened; its as if gregg popovich was our coach. jfc


Thibs helped turn the team around. Cool. Leon and the players he brought in did the heavy lifting though. Year one was a good job by Thibs. It ended there IMO. I don't know who is next but, I don't think they can be any worse than the nonsense we have seen the last few seasons. Careful what you wish for? I'm ok with taking a shot to maximize this roster. Thibs was not doing that at all. Next!
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1088 » by Davis18 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:25 pm

This move was inevitable.
Just surprised it happened this soon.
We cannot lose to same pacers 2 years in a row with better talents.
Even though this was greatest season in recent years, it was really frustrating to watch sometimes.
I hope we can take another leap next year.
I want Bryant or Budenholzer.
And I want papa Brunson gone too.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1089 » by Obi-One » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:33 pm

Davis18 wrote:This move was inevitable.
Just surprised it happened this soon.
We cannot lose to same pacers 2 years in a row with better talents.
Even though this was greatest season in recent years, it was really frustrating to watch sometimes.
I hope we can take another leap next year.
I want Bryant or Budenholzer.
And I want papa Brunson gone too.

Losing is one thing. Historically collapsing in game 1 was the nail in the coffin
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Post#1090 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:34 pm

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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1091 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:36 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
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That was literally one of the worst playoff runs I've ever seen. We played terribly all postseason. It was a miracle we even got out of the first round. Thibs is garbage.


I really could not comprehend all these kerfuffle and bellyaching about what happened; its as if gregg popovich was our coach. jfc


Thibs helped turn the team around. Cool. Leon and the players he brought in did the heavy lifting though. Year one was a good job by Thibs. It ended there IMO. I don't know who is next but, I don't think they can be any worse than the nonsense we have seen the last few seasons. Careful what you wish for? I'm ok with taking a shot to maximize this roster. Thibs was not doing that at all. Next!


This team wasn't right all season long and some of the people complaining are some of the same ones who were trying to gaslight us that Tom was doing a great job when the team looked woefully underprepared against every good team we played against.

Dude was playing 7 man rotations in January.

Once Josh stopped hitting threes the offense became a slog. The offense he ran is archaic. Worst starting line up statistically and he stuck with it.

Worst 3 point defense in the league, plays non stop drop coverage.

So on and so forth. We've said all of this stuff since Christmas and dudes trolled and mocked us and now they're pretending that this firing was done in a vacuum. It wasn't.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1092 » by BKlutch » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:45 pm

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JBreezeNY wrote:Get them ALL the fu*k out of here.

We want a goddamn championship.

Tired of that goblet of fire bowl from the 70’s, seems like the FO feels the exact same way.


i'm sure that's where this is going. can't imagine who from that group would be a holdover.


Dice seems like a nice chap, but that Rick fella? He gotta go!

Rick's a nepotism hire. one of his family members is high up in the organizaton.
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Re: Breaking: Tom Fired 

Post#1093 » by HEZI » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:47 pm

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I thought they had a plan but if they really have no idea who the next coach will be and are still searching then that’s not a good sign
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Post#1094 » by Lord Commander » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:48 pm

gavran wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i would love udoka but i think you guys would be shocked to see how similar to thibs he is

Not that similar. Thibs would never smash a coworker.


Wouldn't or couldn't? :lol:
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Post#1095 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:52 pm

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markdeez33 wrote:I give Thibs all the credit in the world. He's the best coach we have had, BY FAR, since Woody, and prior to Woody, Jeff Van Gundy.

The staggering amount of underachieving, overpaid, unmotivated, and ill fitting coaches we have employed over the last quarter century is insane. It has to be the WORST 25-year run in the entire NBA for that time period.

I thought Phil Jackson would be the one to break the long-running curse, but since he never came down out of the front office, and only hired triangle offense Acolytes, we suffered and would still be suffering, if not for Thibs.

But Kenyon Martin said it best on Gil's Arena, today. "That's what being stubborn gets you!" -- He was so right. Thibs has never improved his weaknesses as a coach, going back 20 years, now. He had a God tier team with DRose in Chicago, and could never get them over the hump. And I can guarantee you, this season was his absolute ceiling as Knicks coach. It would be all downhill from here. The front office made the right call. And now it's up to them to find an adequate replacement.

Thibs had to go. 4-10 in elimination games. His abysmal coaching, God-awful rotation decisions, horrible timeout management, etc. We lost in 7 last season to this exact same Pacers team, yet we were severely injured and we struggled. We lose in 6 this season to the Pacers, with, on paper a MUCH stronger roster, with a MUCH MORE POWERFUL Frontline, and a way deeper bench that Thibs refused to use. Josh Hart and Mikal Bridges are a step above role players on a championship team and Thibs would routinely play them 48 minutes or more a game, depending on if we went into OT.

He rarely used our bench, which is quite deep now, especially compared to past NYK teams. Landry Shamet came to play in the Indy series. Where the **** was he during the 2 previous series? Riding the pine. It's unacceptable, in my opinion. Thibs routinely plays a full game with 7, 8 players max. And he did this dumb **** for an entire 82 game season + 3 playoff series. He is beyond lucky that we didn't suffer any significant injuries from overplaying our rotation. How can any of those bench players gain any confidence in their games or get any consistency going? They NEVER see the floor, outside of practice. How are these young players supposed to develop if they never get any playing time? Thibs has his favorites and he sticks with them, to the point of detriment to the team. It's time to change all of that. NOW. Next season, we need to routinely play these young guys. It doesn't have to be every night. But when we are up BIG, why the hell are Brunson, KAT, Bridges, OG, and Hart still in the **** game? Rest them! Let Hukporti, Dadiet, Kolek, Beauchamp get some development time! Make Shamet a regular rotation player. It's utterly insane that Deuce McBride is the ONLY guy off the bench that gets any significant minutes.

Let's see who steps into the coaches chair, before I can really make an assessment on where this team is headed, but clearly, there's a ton of fatigue and frustration in our locker room, right now.

Thank you Thibs. I wanted you as the Knicks coach going ALL THE WAY back to when JVG was fired and they brought in the likes of Don Chaney, etc. instead of promoting you to HC. But you joined the organization as a HC at the right time, truly. But let's be honest. Thibs is the EXACT same Thibs that coached in Chicago and Minnesota. Absolutely zero improvements in his flaws over the years. He is who he is. He should go to one of these struggling, young franchises down south. Imagine what the Hawks, Magic, Hornets, etc. could accomplish with Thibs as their HC? He peaked with NYK. This was his ceiling. He fluked. He choked. And it's now time for a coaching change while we still have this current personnel on the court.

As long as we don't have a nepo pick in Rick Brunson being promoted to HC, I'm cool. My top 5 picks for coach are:
1. Mike Malone (go back thru my posts and comments, I've been advocating for Malone to replace Thibs as HC since the middle of the NYK-IND series.)

2. Jeff Van Gundy (I would absolutely LOVE to see him return. He's my favorite NYK coach of all time. And I think that he is the perfect coach for the kind of roster we currently have. This team is very well suited to JVG's likes & strengths, and I believe he could do great things with this roster. He taught Thibs everything he knows, but he's not stubborn, and he will play whoever is going to get us a W. He is as competent as a coach as there is.)

3. Patrick Ewing (Ewing has head coaching experience in the NBA & NCAA & was a long time assistant around the NBA. I would love to see him come home & coach here. If there's ever anywhere that Pat will find success as a HC, it's here in New York. He's beloved here. He has a rapport with the front office and with the current roster. I know that he technically did an awful job at GTown and w/ The Hornets. But that is mostly due to the rosters he had at his disposal. With this Knicks roster, I believe he can flourish. He would do wonders for both KAT & Mitch especially.)

4. Mike Budenholzer (This slot would be going to MIKE WOODSON, but he just signed 2 weeks ago as associate HC with the Kings, essentially the lead assistant for Doug Christie. But with Woody gone, Coach Bud is my num. 4. I know a lot of you don't want to pick from the crop of coaches that get moved around every season. But I'm a huge fan of Bud. I was utterly enthralled with the way he turned the Hawks around years back, with Paul Millsap and Korver as the top guys. They won 60 games. He did great stuff everywhere he's been, IMO. He's a Pop protege and a prestige coach that was built by the Spurs org, which if anything, we should be trying to emulate the kind of system that Pop had down in San Antonio, especially since we have the roster to do so. Get these guys away from the over dribbling and ISOs and let's start moving the **** ball and making the extra pass.)

5. Johnnie Bryant (This is the guy everybody here is so high on and the top pick on many lists. I don't know much about him, other than he has history with the org, and he is beloved in CLE and coveted in Phoenix. But I think there are much better choices out there. He's unproven. I think yall just want new, untapped coaching blood.)

Honorable Mention: Mark Jackson (He's a former Knick, he did wonders for the Warriors, and I think he would be a great fit w/ Brunson, especially considering that's the position he played in the league. He's another protege of Van Gundy. Why not give him a chance, if he wants it?)

Please, no Rick Brunson. Please, no Doc Rivers. I would love someone with Knicks lineage, but I would take a flyer on Allan Houston or Kurt Thomas or Marcus Camby wanting to coach a roster before I would ever want either of those dudes up in here.

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First let me start off by saying that firing Thibs can be justified by the argument of him being unable
To get his teams over the top. But to be clear, the knicks roster right now is very flawed, and this idea that a new coach is all that is needed and all of a sudden this same roster but new coach means they are playing in the finals. You talk about this bench the knicks had, could they have played more in the regular season absolutely, but outside of Mitch who missed 60 games and Deuce, this bench was awful, payne, shamet etc, these guys are not championship level bench players. What we saw with Thibs, when he had a deep bench, he played them, it wasn’t until injuries hit and depth was lost and bench players needed to become starters. Leon has to share some of the blame, we all knew this bench this season wasn’t good enough regardless of the coach. Also, the KAT and Brunson defensive problems aren’t going away just because a new coach is around.


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Post#1096 » by SARGO127 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:54 pm

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This is too bad. Hurley screaming at KAT would be pure entertainment.
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Post#1097 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:54 pm

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my guess is the Knicks want more collaboration with the FO/HC...more open to lineup changes, maybe development of young guys ect....While Thibs and Leon had a good off the court relationship my guess is there was probably some contention that it was Thibs way or the highway.

They probably want someone similar to what Baseball teams are doing that is an extension of the FO and analytical team to get the most out of the group.

If your bringing on Hurley your basically hiring him and letting him run the show with no interruptions.
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Post#1098 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:59 pm

HEZI wrote:
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I thought they had a plan but if they really have no idea who the next coach will be and are still searching then that’s not a good sign


This makes me feel less good about the situation, but maybe that's how it always is. I don't know.

I thought this FO operated with a solid plan and they already had someone lined up.

Maybe they do, and the above is eyewash for the media, in that they ALREADY conducted the search, but don't want to make it seem like they were investigating the next coach while Thibs was still coach.

Or, they started looking some, but in fact DON'T have a coach lined up, but fired Thibs with expediency to be able to have more choices. They have a list of candidates they would be happy with, say narrowed down to 5, and now they get to see if any of those are willing to coach the Knicks.

I would guess the last sentence I typed out is how it generally goes for teams.

Based on rumors, Udoka and Kidd are the under contract coaches who are probably the unlikely but home run picks to this FO, Jay Wright and Hurley MAYBE on the wish list, Johnny Bryant and a couple of other assistant coaches.

Spoelestra would be awesome, if we are talking about coaches on another team.
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Post#1099 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:00 pm

dukeknicksirish wrote:So based off those reports, its:

Johnnie Bryant - available

Ime Udoka - under contract

Jason Kidd - under contract

Jay Wright - publicly stated he doesn't want to coach in the NBA

Lets quit the nonsense and bring our guy Johnnie home!


Johnnie Bryant is one of two finalists for the Suns job right? Could this be why Leon moved so quickly on Thibs? They have to hurry on Bryant but that runs counter to reports that Knicks have a long list and will take their time hiring. Bryant can't refuse Suns or he could get stuck with nothing
There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.
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Post#1100 » by El Poochio » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:01 pm

matchman wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:
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But the magic of social media has flipped reporting on its head nowadays. Gone are the days of sports channel outlets having first access. All these podcasts and Knick content creators have flourished but I always come back to realgm because these are the truest hardcore fans. Yourself included.

Wright is a good coach, inverts the offense and puts the big at the top , runs sets with the guards at the baseline and wings at the elbows . Theoretically helps Brunson out to get him more off ball and gets the game flowing thru KAT first. Defensively he ran a lot of 1-2-2 press defense. I don’t know if that translates to the nba, but he also runs regular 2-3 zone a LOT. It’s very interesting because it freshens up the game so much now for us

Also, what part of Germany are you at bro?


Yea it really seems like the traditional media is out of the loop mostly. at least when it comes to the knicks. would also explain why stephen a smith was enraged on national tv yesterday. he is mad he doesnt get the information fed and it hit him out left field. i thought that was funny.

thanks for the quick breakdown it definitley sounds good. although im not a huge zone fan in todays NBA. its nice if you can sprinkle it in every now and then. it can be super effective vs teams that are not feeling it on offense. but mostly i dislike zone, when the players fail to find their boxouts and we lose the boards. But again, if the team can make it work it can be an effecitve weapon for sure.

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