The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Saberestar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/mapDHrz35G

Possible trade packages for KD would be Green/Smith/Whitmore or Vassell/Barnes/picks.

Rockets or Spurs are the most possible trade partners for the Suns.

I prefer the Rockets for a couple reasons.

1) I think that we can get better players from them.

The Spurs doesn't have available youngsters like Whitmore, Shepard, Eason or Jabari on their roster.

Is Vassell better than Jalen Green? I think their value around the league could be pretty close. Similar contract, similar position, similar age... Vassell has a higher floor but Jalen Green has a higher ceiling.

If we have to take back a veteran player with a high salary the Rockets have FVV and Dillon Brooks who are better than any of Harrison Barnes or Keldon Johnson.

All in all when comparing players the Rockets are my favorite option.

2) Picks available.

Just starting with this year's draft. Rockets #10, Spurs #14.

And the Rockets have our picks in 27 and 29 and multiple other FRPs and swaps.
The Spus have their own haul of picks available, but they don't have ALL of that.

Like I said the Spurs can give us a better offer than the Rockets IF they add multiple unprotected picks to Vassell and Barnes. Other than that we can get a better package from the Rockets.

Jalen Green/Whitmore/Landale/#10 and 2 future unprotected FRPs makes sense for both teams.

[Revived]

If this is true, that's alarming. It could mean he didn't like all these rounds of interviews (if you don't already know you want me then you don't want me).
Or maybe he recognizes how poorly run the circus is and wants no part of it.

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He probably saw Devin Booker sitting in on the interview and thought "I don't want any part of that."

Booker during the interviews probably: “So which iso set can you create that will allow me to dribble or hold the ball for 20 seconds then get double teamed or trapped and I force a terrible shot, pass to teammate with no time remaining or turn it over?”

[starbosa10]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/mapDHrz35G

Possible trade packages for KD would be Green/Smith/Whitmore or Vassell/Barnes/picks.

Rockets or Spurs are the most possible trade partners for the Suns.

I prefer the Rockets for a couple reasons.

1) I think that we can get better players from them.

The Spurs doesn't have available youngsters like Whitmore, Shepard, Eason or Jabari on their roster.

Is Vassell better than Jalen Green? I think their value around the league could be pretty close. Similar contract, similar position, similar age... Vassell has a higher floor but Jalen Green has a higher ceiling.

If we have to take back a veteran player with a high salary the Rockets have FVV and Dillon Brooks who are better than any of Harrison Barnes or Keldon Johnson.

All in all when comparing players the Rockets are my favorite option.

2) Picks available.

Just starting with this year's draft. Rockets #10, Spurs #14.

And the Rockets have our picks in 27 and 29 and multiple other FRPs and swaps.
The Spus have their own haul of picks available, but they don't have ALL of that.

Like I said the Spurs can give us a better offer than the Rockets IF they add multiple unprotected picks to Vassell and Barnes. Other than that we can get a better package from the Rockets.

Jalen Green/Whitmore/Landale/#10 and 2 future unprotected FRPs makes sense for both teams. [/quote]

If we deal with the rockets our priority has to be getting as many of our own picks back as possible. The players would need to be a bit different. I don't think jalen green/whitmore/jock works salarywise with KD

[Rebound Mound]

Even if we get to trade KD and Beal in decent deals, something like Jabari+Green/Whitmore and 2 picks, and Beal for Bitadze, for example, we are not going to enjoy the most balanced roster in the league next year.
If we have to add up a coach that is not able to create wine out of water, then we are done...

[Frank Lee]

If you can get Vassel and Barnes plus #14 it’s acceptable. 14 can get us a promising PG. Resign Gillespie… and … gulp… tough it out with DLo on a one yr. I don’t think Book and DLo will pass up their only opportunity to hang together for a season. It just seems to be too likely. Just please, stay away from KAT. Draft a big at 29. Hopefully that Crieghton kid falls.

It fields a legit team with actual nba players. Still need a real PF but Barnes and Oneal can get you through the season.

Maybe still stretch Beal if it facilitates a trade / acquisition for a PF. I’m not giving up the hopes for Yabasule. If stretching Beal lands that tank… it’s worth it.

DLo…. Gillespie… # 14 (weak defensively but 14 might be the better of the bunch. Would love that Frenchy speedster)
Book … Allen
Vassell … Dunn
Barnes …ONeal or maybe Yaba as starter
Richards … big Creightin kid …
OSo fills in the gaps at PF and C

Who’s with me?

[Rebound Mound]

If you can get Vassel and Barnes plus #14 it’s acceptable. 14 can get us a promising PG. Resign Gillespie… and … gulp… tough it out with DLo on a one yr. I don’t think Book and DLo will pass up their only opportunity to hang together for a season. It just seems to be too likely. Just please, stay away from KAT. Draft a big at 29. Hopefully that Crieghton kid falls.

It fields a legit team with actual nba players. Still need a real PF but Barnes and Oneal can get you through the season.

Maybe still stretch Beal if it facilitates a trade / acquisition for a PF. I’m not giving up the hopes for Yabasule. If stretching Beal lands that tank… it’s worth it.

DLo…. Gillespie… # 14 (weak defensively but 14 might be the better of the bunch. Would love that Frenchy speedster)
Book … Allen
Vassell … Dunn
Barnes …ONeal or maybe Yaba as starter
Richards … big Creightin kid …
OSo fills in the gaps at PF and C

Who’s with me?

Count on me not!!!

I am sorry to tell you that that roster is a mix of a retool, a reconstruction and a keep what you are doing, but even with worse and less athletic players.

I would try to achieve something like this:

KD ------ Jabari-VV-pick/s
Beal+Oneale+pick ----------- Bitadze+KCP/Wendel Carter

VV
Booker
Dunn
Jabari
Bitadze
-------------
Gillespie
KCP/Allen
Dunn/Bol
Oso
Richards

[Djedefre]

We all know Durant's value all too well. So you either accept the package like the ones mentioned from Spurs or Rockets, or you ride with him till his contract expires and he walks (while also freeing a good chunk of cap space). We were never going to get a truckload of picks like some were fantasizing here. As we can see, Booker is a 'cornerstone' so Suns are not going anywhere anytime soon - it's not that relevant if Durant stays or not. He ain't gonna net us the assets to truly renovate this broken-down house.

[ChuckS]

If this is true, that's alarming. It could mean he didn't like all these rounds of interviews (if you don't already know you want me then you don't want me).
Or maybe he recognizes how poorly run the circus is and wants no part of it.

Read on Twitter

He probably saw Devin Booker sitting in on the interview and thought "I don't want any part of that."

Booker during the interviews probably: “So which iso set can you create that will allow me to dribble or hold the ball for 20 seconds then get double teamed or trapped and I force a terrible shot, pass to teammate with no time remaining or turn it over?”

It's always great to see some humor on the board. But so those who do not realize hyperbole do not get confused, NBA.com lists Book at 30th in the league with a 4.07 second time of possession. He is also 26th in touches, 95th in seconds per touch, and 128th in dribbles per touch. Considering that he is 9th in the league in scoring, that is pretty good IMO.

[Fo-Real]

That Knicks team just threw Thibs under the bus because KAT checked out.

I don't think Bryant would want to deal with that insanity especially as a rookie coach.

I don't think Kat checked out, he is just not defensive minded and it pissed his teammates off. He was still an offensive threat, although it was troubling watching him run up and down court, seem to be lumbering more than I remember. Is he severely overweight, or is his back an issue?

[Fo-Real]

If this is true, that's alarming. It could mean he didn't like all these rounds of interviews (if you don't already know you want me then you don't want me).
Or maybe he recognizes how poorly run the circus is and wants no part of it.

Read on Twitter

He probably saw Devin Booker sitting in on the interview and thought "I don't want any part of that."

Booker during the interviews probably: “So which iso set can you create that will allow me to dribble or hold the ball for 20 seconds then get double teamed or trapped and I force a terrible shot, pass to teammate with no time remaining or turn it over?”

Don't see why you are here if you loath the entire team and organization. Just grudge **** at every turn, dosnt seem like it should be fun or interesting under those terms but.... here yall are.

[Frank Lee]

KD Expectations are too high

Not going to fix this squad with one trade. Get a couple quality youngsters with upside and roll with it.

Getting back to relevancy is going to be like whittling a canoe

[BobbieL]

KD Expectations are too high

Not going to fix this squad with one trade. Get a couple quality youngsters with upside and roll with it.

Getting back to relevancy is going to be like whittling a canoe

Exactly right. Its a slow process but it starts with trading Durant and hopefully the young player traded for and draft pick can grow over time

Next up - I look at what I can get for O'Neale and Allen. Maybe just players that are younger and have some upside potential or maybe expire sooner

This is a multi-year process - that took years to build that Ishbia tore down in 8 months.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Please be Toronto if they trade him, I'd hate for Houston to get better and get Johnson at the expense of our picks! That'd be the ultimate "shot to the nuts"!!

However, if we could engineer a KD trade for the 13th or 14th pick, then maybe we could trade for Johnson ourselves? Maybe something along the lines of KD to Atlanta for Jalen Johnson or Dyson Daniels/ T Mann/ Bufkin/ 13th pick/ ATL 28' 1st/ ATL 30' 1st.

And then send Mann/ O'neale/ 13th pick to Brooklyn for Johnson/ 26th and 36th picks?

[King4Day]

I appreciate some of the trade ideas in the last few pages but Beal has negative value. Nobody is taking him. Even that crazy Nets trade that's illegal because the Suns traded 2031 to Utah and can't trade back to back firsts (2032 in that case)

[King4Day]

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Please be Toronto if they trade him, I'd hate for Houston to get better and get Johnson at the expense of our picks! That'd be the ultimate "shot to the nuts"!!

However, if we could engineer a KD trade for the 13th or 14th pick, then maybe we could trade for Johnson ourselves? Maybe something along the lines of KD to Atlanta for Jalen Johnson or Dyson Daniels/ T Mann/ Bufkin/ 13th pick/ ATL 28' 1st/ ATL 30' 1st.

And then send Mann/ O'neale/ 13th pick to Brooklyn for Johnson/ 26th and 36th picks?

I just don't know that Cam is the player Houston needs. They need shooting but I'd think more of a creator.
But if they found a way to land CamJo AND KD, depending on how many players in their rotation they lose, I think that fills in their shooting gaps and makes them more complete. Could be scary

[Ghost of Kleine]

I appreciate some of the trade ideas in the last few pages but Beal has negative value. Nobody is taking him. Even that crazy Nets trade that's illegal because the Suns traded 2031 to Utah and can't trade back to back firsts (2032 in that case)

This is why Bobbi L and I keep suggesting to just ride it out with him (as a 6th man coming off the bench) for another season or two (since we're not going to legitimately compete anyways) in the next couple of seasons even with Booker!

But in the summer of 27' that free agency is absurdly loaded and Beal's 57 million coming off our books could easily set us up to fully reload our roster with every tier of high caliber players being unrestricted free agents that summer, including star players

[King4Day]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BobbieL]

I appreciate some of the trade ideas in the last few pages but Beal has negative value. Nobody is taking him. Even that crazy Nets trade that's illegal because the Suns traded 2031 to Utah and can't trade back to back firsts (2032 in that case)

This is why Bobbi L and I keep suggesting to just ride it out with him (as a 6th man coming off the bench) for another season or two (since we're not going to legitimately compete anyways) in the next couple of seasons even with Booker!

But in the summer of 27' that free agency is absurdly loaded and Beal's 57 million coming off our books could easily set us up to fully reload our roster with every tier of high caliber players being unrestricted free agents that summer, including star players

I would even buy out Beal this year - -for like 90-98m - lets say he takes a $6m -10 pay cut each year - -he would still be a HUGE expiring contract in 2027. Not stretching him - just buying him out and making him a free aget I get why Ishbia wants to stretch him - lowers his tax bill a lot I think. But aside from the cash, I just don't think the MLE is worth it when you can have a huge expiring in two years

[BobbieL]

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Bridges, Kolek and Hart for Durant

who says no?