Shams: New York Knicks Fire Head Coach Tom Thibodeau

[Curmudgeon]

One thing this firing accomplishes is to deflect criticism away from Leon Rose for the failed deal for Towns and overpaying for Bridges.

[phanman]

Leon must have a candidate in mind if he just fired the most successful coach they've had this decade. From all the interviews I've seen, all of the core guys spoke glowingly of Thibs so this must have come from top.

[knicksstuff]

One thing this firing accomplishes is to deflect criticism away from Leon Rose for the failed deal for Towns and overpaying for Bridges.

how exactly were those trades failures? They just reached the ECF for the first time in 25 years cause of those trades.

[tamaraw08]

The players got him fired. I remember several Knicks starters complaining about how many minutes they logged over the season.

Brunson and OG talked about him with great respect and I suspect Hart does too. I don't think you're right that they got him fired.

Listen to the Bill Simmons podcast. He is thinking that the Knicks badly wanted to resign Bridges and Mikal was not pleased with Thibs managing the game and handling their minutes etc.
Also said Pacers pretty much dominated most of the games, I think games 2,3,4,6
and Thibs probably have peaked with this team and needed another coach to bring them farther almost like Bulls firing Doug Collins in favor of Phil and Carlisle getting canned so Larry Brown can finish the job in Detroit.

[Revived]

Fired the coach that just got them to the Conference Finals for the first time since 99' smh.

Can't wait to hear RealGM tell us how none of this matters because Thibs is bad man.

To be fair, realgm also thought Warriors firing Mark Jackson after he made them relevant for first time in decades was a bad move back in 2014.

[sp6r=underrated]

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I doubt the Rockets would let us talk to Ime but I'm fine with the Knicks checking to see if it is a possibility. He's a really good coach. If they are chasing Kidd that is really bad news as Kidd is not a good coach.

[cgf]

This feels like a mistake, but we’ll see if they can get an upgrade like Spo or Finch

[cgf]

The players got him fired. I remember several Knicks starters complaining about how many minutes they logged over the season.

Brunson and OG talked about him with great respect and I suspect Hart does too. I don't think you're right that they got him fired.

Listen to the Bill Simmons podcast. He is thinking that the Knicks badly wanted to resign Bridges and Mikal was not pleased with Thibs managing the game and handling their minutes etc.
Also said Pacers pretty much dominated most of the games, I think games 2,3,4,6
and Thibs probably have peaked with this team and needed another coach to bring them farther almost like Bulls firing Doug Collins in favor of Phil and Carlisle getting canned so Larry Brown can finish the job in Detroit.

Still not over that Celtics loss I see

[DaGawd]

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I doubt the Rockets would let us talk to Ime but I'm fine with the Knicks checking to see if it is a possibility. He's a really good coach. If they are chasing Kidd that is really bad news as Kidd is not a good coach.

contrary i think kidd has actually really matured in thecc bc coaching game and is solid.. just not someone i’d like to offer compensation for to get him out of his current situation

[cgf]

One thing this firing accomplishes is to deflect criticism away from Leon Rose for the failed deal for Towns and overpaying for Bridges.

how exactly were those trades failures? They just reached the ECF for the first time in 25 years cause of those trades.

Some people are just stuck in pre-pandemic thinking

[cgf]

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I doubt the Rockets would let us talk to Ime but I'm fine with the Knicks checking to see if it is a possibility. He's a really good coach. If they are chasing Kidd that is really bad news as Kidd is not a good coach.

contrary i think kidd has actually really matured in thecc bc coaching game and is solid.. just not someone i’d like to offer compensation for to get him out of his current situation

He’d also be an obvious downgrade from Thibs.

[Andri]

My bad, I meant a 2nd option in a team with ring aspirations, that is what Knicks seems to target to be, being the explanation given for Thibs' firing

Team was 2 wins away from the Finals in his first season here as a 2nd option. With a coach that didn’t even utilize him properly. Next season, the East is wide open. A Finals appearance isn’t out of the question with him.

They are going to do all they can to try and move off KAT.

IMO, as they should. With the current CBA, his salary doesn't compensate for his overall performance.

Precisely, they were 2 games away from making the finals, among other reasons, because their top paid player is a player like KAT. Don't get me wrong, he is super skilled and talented in offense, but lacks the motor, awareness and defense to justify paying so much, if you want to build a contender nowadays.

[Capn'O]

One thing this firing accomplishes is to deflect criticism away from Leon Rose for the failed deal for Towns and overpaying for Bridges.

It does the opposite. They just made ECF. If they take a step back next year all attention turns to the managers chair.

[tamaraw08]

Brunson and OG talked about him with great respect and I suspect Hart does too. I don't think you're right that they got him fired.

Listen to the Bill Simmons podcast. He is thinking that the Knicks badly wanted to resign Bridges and Mikal was not pleased with Thibs managing the game and handling their minutes etc.
Also said Pacers pretty much dominated most of the games, I think games 2,3,4,6
and Thibs probably have peaked with this team and needed another coach to bring them farther almost like Bulls firing Doug Collins in favor of Phil and Carlisle getting canned so Larry Brown can finish the job in Detroit.

Still not over that Celtics loss I see

He did admit being bitter but was he wrong about the Pacers dominating 4 of the 6 games they played?
He also mentioned the ave shelf life for coaches is about 5 years and Thibs have reached that?.... remember coaches who did pretty well like Jenkins, Mike Brown also got fired, even with tacticians who won it all like Vogel, Bud and Malone.

[DimesandKnicks]

Reports stated that Dwight Howard was involved in the firing process of Stan Van Gundy. Who was the source? Stan Van Gundy himself which he was told directly from management.

That was just one case. Do your research at least.

Dwight Howard put his hand around Stan and said it wasn't true, maybe managment was lying. Again, considering the ego's that FO have I highly doubt that they're conceding to players and what they want, again, especially considering the greatest player of all time didn't get what he wanted.

And even if that's true, thats like...one example

I just gave you a report that contradicts your statement and you are now calling the FO or the coach liars.

Yes, players do get their coaches fired. Or at the very least, management isn't firing a coach without running it by the star player first. Look at what happened in LA with Bron, Ham and Redick. Straight denial at this point.

Believe your reports

[Johnny Bball]

Listen to the Bill Simmons podcast. He is thinking that the Knicks badly wanted to resign Bridges and Mikal was not pleased with Thibs managing the game and handling their minutes etc.
Also said Pacers pretty much dominated most of the games, I think games 2,3,4,6
and Thibs probably have peaked with this team and needed another coach to bring them farther almost like Bulls firing Doug Collins in favor of Phil and Carlisle getting canned so Larry Brown can finish the job in Detroit.

Still not over that Celtics loss I see

He did admit being bitter but was he wrong about the Pacers dominating 4 of the 6 games they played?
He also mentioned the ave shelf life for coaches is about 5 years and Thibs have reached that?.... remember coaches who did pretty well like Jenkins, Mike Brown also got fired, even with tacticians who won it all like Vogel, Bud and Malone.

Except few of the NYK lineup has played there 5 years. All you would have to do is trade Robinson and the most for any starter is then Brunson at 3 years.

[jkvonny]

Take notes from the Bucks - you can fire a good coach in hopes of something better, and it's totally possible it does get better. But it's also super possible it gets colossally **** worse. Thankfully for Knicks fans, unlike the Bucks organization I don't think the current Knicks organization is ran by dudes who sniff paint.

The Knicks FO have been sniffing paint for majority of the past 2 decades.


Today's event is just another feather in their cap.

Didn't realize the current FO has been there for 20 years.

Continuation of it.
Pretty sure Dolan had his hands on the Thibs situation too lol

[jkvonny]

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I doubt the Rockets would let us talk to Ime but I'm fine with the Knicks checking to see if it is a possibility. He's a really good coach. If they are chasing Kidd that is really bad news as Kidd is not a good coach.

contrary i think kidd has actually really matured in thecc bc coaching game and is solid.. just not someone i’d like to offer compensation for to get him out of his current situation

He’d also be an obvious downgrade from Thibs.

That would be such a Knicks move.

Fire Thibs...... turnaround and hire Kidd.

[Black Jack]

The players got him fired. I remember several Knicks starters complaining about how many minutes they logged over the season.

Brunson and OG talked about him with great respect and I suspect Hart does too. I don't think you're right that they got him fired.

Listen to the Bill Simmons podcast. He is thinking that the Knicks badly wanted to resign Bridges and Mikal was not pleased with Thibs managing the game and handling their minutes etc.
Also said Pacers pretty much dominated most of the games, I think games 2,3,4,6
and Thibs probably have peaked with this team and needed another coach to bring them farther almost like Bulls firing Doug Collins in favor of Phil and Carlisle getting canned so Larry Brown can finish the job in Detroit.

Yeah Bridges is the league's premier ironman so him complaining about overuse had to be taken seriously.

Rose overpaid for Bridges but that just makes it more critical they get value out of him. This is the big leagues, Thibs never committed to loosening up his lineup in the regular season so guys have enough left in the tank deep in the playoffs, and even us internet cranks can see that just isn't how you win rings.

I just don't get Thibs man, why run your starters into the ground every regular season

[Black Jack]

Thibs next hc job if he gets one needs the following conditions written into the contract

1. Thibs has to limit his starters minutes in the regular season to something reasonable - for the team's benefit
2. The team has to commit to not adding KAT to the roster - for his benefit