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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#901 » by Walton1one » Tue Jun 3, 2025 10:18 pm

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Hey Walton, who did the Blazers work out for the #11 pick? Youve been all over the college prospects so im guessing you already poated about it, but I must have missed it.


I don't think they have worked out anyone yet for the #11 pick, or if they have it has been for a private workout and I doubt we find out about it until later (like Clingan LY).

The biggest workout so far was Newell, Fleming, Riley, McNeeley, Yang & Richardson

Yang is viewed as a 2nd rounder

Riley, McNeeley, Fleming are more late teens, possibly mid teens\just outside the lottery, maybe back end of the lottery

Newell\Richardson are looking more like mid teens\end of lottery, so most likely of that group to go as high as #11

But this is shaping up to be a wild draft, real eye of the beholder from #6 on, so if any of them (outside of Yang and I think Fleming) going at #11, while surprising for a few of them (McNeeley\Riley) would not be totally crazy IMO.

Newell, Richardson (please no) could go #11, in fact a few mocks have had each listed as POR pick

There seems to be a pattern for POR, at least with this mgmt group, I think 2-3 workouts\week, one with 2nd round\G-League guys, like today, then another group workout with more higher profile players and then I am guessing a private workout that is unannounced. I wonder if we see another workout group tomorrow\Thursday with some higher profile guys like: Clifford, Coward, Wolf, Penda (they had him in LY), Beringer & maybe a guy like Bryant or CMB, but both are projected around Top 10, so they may decline a group workout.

Could also see some later 1st guys like Thiero, Powell, Brea, Proctor, Watkins (I think they had him in before as well?)

Guys like Essengue, Saraf are in playoffs so no workouts before, same with Gonzalez. Traore might be over but not until closer to the draft. Sorber is injured and cannot practice

My guess is if they workout Demin it will be a private workout, same possibly with Bryant and any other of the Top 6-10 guys like: Jakucionis (no mention of workouts anywhere is interesting?), probably Queen (though maybe he opts to do a group workout if his stock is really slipping?), Knueppel\Johnson\Fears (if they can get any of them to even come in).
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#902 » by Walton1one » Tue Jun 3, 2025 10:24 pm

Love to see a Clifford\Coward matchup or either against Drake Powell, Wolf against an athletic rangy big like Beringer would be interesting or even a guy like Raynaud\Kalbrenner\Broome
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#903 » by Dame Lizard » Tue Jun 3, 2025 10:33 pm

If we walk away with Demin in this draft, I give Portland a D+ as a draft grade. That would be a horrible outcome.

Two of his key weaknesses are shooting and defense. That is literally 70% of what basketball involves.

Fair enough if Mike S was enamored by the talent of 16 year old Demin - but what has he done in the last 3 years to warrant #11 hype?
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#904 » by Walton1one » Tue Jun 3, 2025 11:00 pm

Dame Lizard wrote:If we walk away with Demin in this draft, I give Portland a D+ as a draft grade. That would be a horrible outcome.

Two of his key weaknesses are shooting and defense. That is literally 70% of what basketball involves.

Fair enough if Mike S was enamored by the talent of 16 year old Demin - but what has he done in the last 3 years to warrant #11 hype?


I don't understand the lack of attention to shooting either, but it has become pretty clear that Cronin\Schmitz don't seem to value that (initially in a prospect) either. remember, they draft Clingan and talk about how he has shown ability to hit the 3, like really?

My guess is that they think it is something they can help a player develop, as long as the tools are there and they would rather gamble on shooting than on athleticism or other factors.

I am intrigued by Demin, but I fully acknowledge he is boom or not bust per se, but bench meh type of player, so that concerns me. It is why I would take Kasparas if he is there, but chances are he will not be, same with Knueppel, I doubt he is there either.

The real question is would Schmitz\Cronin take either player? Crafty players with shooting\passing ability and good size but lack elite athleticism or have defensive questions? My guess is they would lean toward athleticism or positional size. I hope I am wrong, but recent drafts have not shown them to have a willingness to divert from that strategy.

So who does that leave? Bryant, Demin, Essengue, Newell, Riley

Fleming maybe? Though he is projected as a later 1st (rightfully so IMO), maybe Coward, maybe Clifford, both likely reaches @ #11. CMB? Absolutely hate that fit. Queen, same as CMB but for different reasons. Richardson? Really going to run back the (2) small guard lineup like the last 8+ years didn't happen?

For me: 1) Jakucionis or Knueppel if he inexplicably drops - 2) Bryant - 3) Demin - 4)Tough call, either Essengue or Newell. One of those players SHOULD be there, if not, start drinking heavily...

No, but probably McNeeley, Riley or Clifford (I bet Schmitz\Cronin would lean Riley out of that group)

As a sneaky sleeper that I could be ok with? Nolan Traore
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#905 » by Case2012 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 11:07 pm

I think the 2 best shooters are Coward and WCJ and they should both be available especially if we can get one of those magic picks for Simons. Coward makes Sharpe replaceable and lets us reset the clock on that first rookie extension. Playing them together could be interesting because I think Coward can play the 3, but then you also need Toumani and Deni out there. WCJ just makes a ton of sense as a back up PG. I like Jakucunis but I think WCJ is a better player and a proven winner. You can't watch him and tell me he doesn't remind you of Dame.

If you havent done so, check out that scouting video on Coward. I really enjoy watching him play, i think he has star potential and that it factor. Solve the shooting problem by replacing Simons with the 2 best shooters in the draft that are much better defenders. As much as i dislike the Blazers management, if they pulled off this roster i can see it making some noise and it's pretty doable.

Scoot/WCJ/Cp3?
Sharpe/Coward
Toumani/Thybulle/Rupert
Deni/Grant/Isaac
Ayton/Clingan/RW

WCJ (Steph/Dame lite but probably closer to FVV or Pritchard)
Coward (Klay)
Toumani (Barnes/Wiggins)
Deni(Iggy?)
Clingan(Bogut)

I think this could be the long term starting line up in a few years and i get a little giddy thinking about it. Squint your eyes and i see a young Warriors roster.

As i went to youtube i coincidently saw this draft sickos video posted about WCJ. They talk pretty extensively about them, as well as Wolf. I am so so high on these guys and it's crazy to me they are so low in the draft. I really think WCJ, Coward and Wolf will be top 10 guys from this class. They start talking about Coward about 30 minutes in and WCJ about 45-50 minutes in.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#906 » by tester551 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 11:49 pm

Case2012 wrote:I think the 2 best shooters are Coward and WCJ and they should both be available especially if we can get one of those magic picks for Simons.

I think Jase is a better shooter than either.

Case2012 wrote:If you havent done so, check out that scouting video on Coward. I really enjoy watching him play, i think he has star potential and that it factor.

I personally don't see it. I see a Martell Webster clone.

It looks to me like he processes the game a 1/2 step slow. He's too content in jacking up outside shots instead of attacking the hoop (I don't think his handle is all that tight).
Has the athleticism where you THINK he should be a good defender and occasionally makes plays, but leaves you wanting a lot more...
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#907 » by Case2012 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:07 am

DEFENSIVE, HIGH-IQ SHARPSHOOTERS: CEDRIC COWARD & WALTER CLAYTON JR. AS PORTLAND’S HIDDEN DRAFT GEMS

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The Portland Trail Blazers are pivoting toward a new identity built on defense, shooting, and high-IQ team play – and two under-the-radar 2025 draft prospects, Cedric Coward and Walter Clayton Jr., could perfectly embody that vision. Both players offer significant upside and immediate value relative to their likely draft range, making them ideal targets if Portland acquires an extra first-round pick (via an Anfernee Simons trade or otherwise). Cedric Coward is a long, versatile 3-and-D wing who fills up the stat sheet and plays with savvy off-ball instincts, while Walter Clayton Jr. is a championship-tested combo guard with lethal shooting and mature floor leadership. This deep-dive will compare each to current/past NBA players, evaluate their strengths (shooting, defense, versatility, IQ, readiness), and analyze how each would fit into Portland’s roster and long-term plans. For a Blazers team rebuilding around young talent, these two prospects could represent tremendous value – potential “steals” who address glaring weaknesses in the current rotation and elevate the franchise’s defensive and shooting culture.

Cedric Coward– A Versatile 3-and-D Wing with Upside and NBA Readiness
Cedric Coward brings a tantalizing combination of length, defensive playmaking, and efficient shooting that could make him a cornerstone role player for Portland’s rebuild. Physically, Coward is exceptional: at 6’6” with a 7’2” wingspan and nine-inch hands, his measurements aren’t far off from Kawhi Leonard’s famed profile. At the NBA Draft Combine he turned heads by posting a 38.5-inch vertical (9th-best) and draining 72 of 103 three-pointers (69.9 %) in drills – eye-popping indicators of his athleticism and shooting touch. In fact, one scout noted Coward’s pre-draft rise has been reminiscent of Jalen Williams’ meteoric climb in 2022; after impressing teams, Coward vaulted from a fringe name to a possible late-lottery pick in some projections. For a player who began his college career at the Division III level, this rapid ascent underscores just how unique his tools and impact are.

Shooting and Offense: Offensively, Coward profiles as a high-efficiency, low-usage floor spacer – exactly the kind of complementary shooter the Blazers need on the wing. Across three collegiate seasons (two at Eastern Washington and a brief senior stint at Washington State), he’s a career 38.8 % three-point shooter. In the six games before his injury at WSU, he averaged 17.7 points on 40.0 % from deep and 83.9 % from the line, suggesting his hot shooting was no fluke. Synergy data confirms Coward’s elite marksmanship: he scored 1.129 points per possession on catch-and-shoot opportunities and hit spot-up threes at a terrific clip. Importantly, he doesn’t just hit stand-still shots – he knows how to get open for them. Coward has a knack for relocating and cutting at the right moments (a staggering 1.692 PPP on cuts), showing off high basketball IQ and timing off the ball. It’s easy to imagine Damian Lillard (in past years) or now Scoot Henderson driving and kicking to Coward, who instinctively drifts into the open corner for a dagger three. Even in a tiny sample, Coward’s overall offensive efficiency was outrageous – 1.161 PPP, ranking in the 97th percentile nationally. He posted a true-shooting percentage around 70 % and a BPM of 8.8 in those six games, putting him in rare company (one of just twenty players to hit that 8.0 + BPM, 65 % + TS benchmark).

While he’s not a primary creator off the dribble (Coward readily admits his handle is a work in progress), he has shown flashes of playmaking ability and multi-level scoring. He averaged 3.7 assists in his brief senior year, often making the extra pass within the flow of the offense. Coward even graded in the 100th percentile on post-up possessions (albeit low volume), showing he can punish smaller defenders inside with his strength and 213-lb frame. His shooting mechanics are smooth and repeatable, with a quick release (if a minor hitch) that he’s comfortable getting off against contests. And thanks to his length, he can elevate over closeouts – that 7’2” wingspan gives him separation on step-backs and pull-ups that recall a young Trevor Ariza or OG Anunoby type of wing shooter. As a three-level scorer, Coward has flashed a confident mid-range game and even some ferocity at the rim (65.6 % finishing at the basket in those games).

The caveat is sample size – we only have a handful of D-1 games post-transfer – but he was similarly efficient in the Big Sky before moving up. The consistency of his shooting across levels, and even in the combine setting, suggests his touch is very much real.

Defense and Versatility: With his height and extraordinary 7’2¼” wingspan, Coward projects as a multi-positional defender capable of guarding 2s, 3s, and many 4s. He has the lateral quickness and footwork to check wings on the perimeter, and his length makes him disruptive when closing out or contesting shots. Coward was a menace on help defense in college – he averaged 1.7 blocks per game (in just 28 minutes) as a wing, often swooping in as a weak-side rim protector. That block rate is virtually unheard of for a 6’6” player; it speaks to his timing and instincts. Scouts have noted that Coward is a strong point-of-attack defender as well, using his reach and timing to bother ball-handlers. He gets low in his stance and has shown he can stay in front of quicker guards, though truly elite NBA guards might still be a challenge until he gains more experience. Coward’s defensive versatility is precisely what shines in modern NBA playoffs – long, athletic wings who can shrink the floor, guard multiple spots, and recover to block shots are worth their weight in gold. Watch him on tape, and you’ll see a player who takes real pride in defense, often clapping his hands or getting visibly amped after a stop.

It’s important to acknowledge that Coward is not a finished product. Because of the shoulder injury that cut short his senior season, he only has a small sample against high-major competition. There will be a learning curve adjusting to NBA speed and complexity – for instance, he can sometimes lose sight of his man when ball-watching off-ball, a common young-player mistake. And while his lateral agility is solid, very shifty guards could exploit him on switches (his foot speed is described as just average against elite quickness). These are fixable issues with coaching and experience. The Blazers would likely love his motor and coachability; by all accounts Coward is a hard worker who improved rapidly each year. Remember, this is a player who went from D-III, to Big Sky All-Conference, to making an impact at a Power-6 school – all in a span of four years. That speaks to a high basketball IQ and adaptability. Portland’s development staff can iron out his off-ball lapses and add strength to his frame (he’s 213 lbs, but could get even stronger to handle NBA forwards).

If he hits his potential, Coward could become a similar player to Robert Covington in his prime – a rangy forward who can guard three or four positions, block shots, and knock down threes at a high clip. Some even see shades of OG Anunoby or Jalen Williams in him, given his all-around stat profile and rapid improvement.

Fit in Portland & Role: Portland finally has two elite stoppers on the roster—Toumani Camara just made All-Defensive Second Team and Matisse Thybulle is a two-time All-Defense selection—but both become easier to play when they’re flanked by another wing who can shoot. Enter Coward: a legit 6'6" with a 7'2" reach who can guard 2-through-4 without cramping the offense. Picture a closing group of Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Sharpe, Coward, Camara and Jerami Grant (or Thybulle in a defense-first look): five athletes, all 6-3 to 6-9, switching everything while still keeping three credible spot-up threats on the floor. Coward’s point-of-attack chops let Scoot and Sharpe conserve energy, his weak-side help covers youthful mistakes, and offensively he thrives as a low-usage sniper and timely cutter—perfect glue between the stars and the stoppers.

Coward is comfortable without the ball – an important trait next to ball-dominant guards. He led his teams in offensive rating in college by doing the little things: cutting back-door, crashing for put-backs, making the extra pass. Portland’s offense, which too often stagnated when Lillard or Simons got trapped, could benefit from Coward’s intuitive movement and quick decision-making.

Walter Clayton Jr. – A Sharpshooting Combo Guard with Championship Pedigree
If Coward represents defensive versatility, Walter Clayton Jr. represents offensive poise and shooting – with a winner’s mentality that any rebuilding team should covet. Clayton is a 6’3” combo guard who just capped off a stellar college career by leading the Florida Gators to the 2025 NCAA National Championship as their senior floor general. He was the breakout star of March Madness: the Most Outstanding Player of the Final Four, a consensus First-Team All-American, and the unquestioned leader of a title team.

Clayton averaged 18.3 points, 3.7 rebounds, 4.2 assists, and 1.2 steals in his senior year, while shooting 44.8 % from the field, 38.6 % from three, and 87.5 % from the line. Those shooting splits are elite, and he maintained that efficiency on high volume, hitting 117 threes in 39 games.

Shooting and Scoring
: Clayton’s calling card is his shooting ability, particularly from deep. He’s a high-volume 3-point gunner (over 7 attempts per game) who connects at a strong percentage and ranks among the best shooters in the class in spot-ups and off-screen actions. Whether catching-and-shooting or pulling up off the dribble (around 37 % on off-dribble threes), Clayton is comfortable from all angles. He has deep range and isn’t afraid to let it fly – he famously opened the Final Four with a logo three as his first shot. His release is compact and balanced; some scouts have compared his form to Devin Booker’s early mechanics at Kentucky. Clayton’s free-throw percentage above 87 % underscores that his touch is real.

He isn’t just a stationary shooter; he has a tight handle and uses pace changes to get defenders off balance. He posted 1.297 PPP in isolation (97th percentile) and ranked in the 74th percentile as a pick-and-roll ball-handler. At 6’3” and 195 lbs, he’s strong, patient, and knows how to snake into gaps. He finishes creatively at the rim (over 60 % in half-court attempts) and is lethal in transition (1.45 PPP). Clayton’s “clutch gene” showed throughout the NCAA tournament, with multiple 30-point games and deep-range daggers under pressure.

Playmaking and IQ: Clayton averaged 4.2 assists and ran an efficient offense with a 1.7 assist-to-turnover ratio. He keeps his head up, finds shooters on skip passes, and can run sets when Scoot rests. Off the ball, he relocates intelligently and cuts back-door when defenders over-play. Clayton is a film-room junkie: at 22, he already plays at a pro tempo, manipulating pace and clock.

Defense and Weaknesses: Clayton competes defensively, leveraging strong hips to fight through screens and quick hands to generate steals. His main issues are consistency and physical ceiling: at 6’3” with average length, he’ll never stonewall wings and can occasionally lose focus. He tends to gamble for steals, and shifty guards can shake him. NBA opponents will likely hunt him in switches. The question is whether his shot-making outweighs the defensive limitations – many scouts believe it will, especially if he becomes an average team defender.

Fit in Portland & Role: Clayton is the ideal sixth man if Simons is moved. He spaces for Scoot, runs the second unit, and provides microwave scoring. In lineups with Henderson (currently a non-shooter), Clayton’s gravity keeps defenses honest. He brings leadership and “championship DNA” to a young locker room. Portland has long needed a bench creator who can hit threes; Clayton checks that box from day one.

How Coward and Clayton Jr. Address Portland’s Needs

Defensive Identity – Coward gives Portland another long wing who can lock down stars without being a zero on offense. Clayton buys into scheme defense and competes; together they signal a shift toward accountability and two-way versatility.

Three-Point Shooting & Spacing – Coward’s 40 % catch-and-shoot and Clayton’s 39 % pull-up range instantly raise the Blazers’ team percentage and force defenses to respect the arc, opening lanes for Scoot and Sharpe.

Basketball IQ & Flow – Both prospects excel at the subtleties that keep an offense humming: quick decisions, smart cuts, extra passes. They reduce stagnation and complement Portland’s young creation engines.

Value & Upside – Coward could be a late-lottery steal with a high floor as a 3-and-D wing; Clayton projects as a plug-and-play shooter/creator in the 15-25 range. Landing two ready-made contributors on rookie deals maximizes small-market assets and raises the rotation’s baseline immediately.

Draft / Trade Blueprint
Use pick 11 on whichever target is still on the board (Coward if available; Clayton if Coward goes top ten).

Flip Anfernee Simons for an additional pick in the mid-late first and draft the other prospect.

If one slips into the 20s, consider trading down or adding a future second to secure both.

What the roster lacks is depth and two-way balance behind those two. Camara and Thybulle can blanket stars, but opponents ignore them if either is cold from three. That’s where Coward and Clayton change the calculus:

Line-up flexibility:

All-Defense units: Sharpe–Coward–Camara–Thybulle–Clingan (switch-everything length)

Floor-spacing punch: Scoot–Clayton Jr.–Sharpe–Deni–Ayton (four 38 %+ shooters around a roller)

Closing five: Scoot | Sharpe | Coward | Camara | Clingan — three wings with 7-foot arms plus rim protection.

In other words, Coward and Clayton don’t push Camara or Thybulle out of the picture; they unlock lineups where Portland no longer sacrifices offense to keep its best defenders on the floor. That’s the missing step from “fun rebuild” to a team that can survive playoff-style scouting.

Defensive length snapshot

Camara 7-1 wingspan

Sharpe 7-0

Scoot 6-10

Coward 7-2

Thybulle 7-1

Rupert 7-3

Deni 6-10

RW 7-6

Grant 7'3

Ayton 7-5

Clingan 7-7

Pair any two of those wings with Clingan or Williams and you have switch-everywhere schemes few teams can replicate.

Conclusion – Building the New Blazers Identity
In a post-Lillard world, Portland wants to win with defense, unselfish play and efficient shooting. Cedric Coward and Walter Clayton Jr. embody that formula. Coward supplies the switchable wing defense and timely shooting Rip City has lacked; Clayton brings the clutch shot-making and steady hand off the bench. Together they could become the kind of blue-collar, high-character pillars that accelerate a rebuild and turn the Blazers into a modern, two-way threat. Land both, and in a few years we may look back at the 2025 draft as the moment Portland’s rise truly began.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#908 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:13 am

I am starting to think McNeeley goes higher than expected. He was a concensus top 8 pick coming into the season, had a down shooting year and then low key rocked the combine.

I think Kon goes lower than expected and Liam higher than expected.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#909 » by tester551 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:25 am

Case2012 wrote:DEFENSIVE, HIGH-IQ SHARPSHOOTERS: CEDRIC COWARD & WALTER CLAYTON JR. AS PORTLAND’S HIDDEN DRAFT GEMS

Thesis....

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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#910 » by Case2012 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:42 am

tester551 wrote:
Case2012 wrote:DEFENSIVE, HIGH-IQ SHARPSHOOTERS: CEDRIC COWARD & WALTER CLAYTON JR. AS PORTLAND’S HIDDEN DRAFT GEMS

Thesis....

Was this AI generated?


Yes and no. I use chat gpt to help rewrite my posts sometimes and provide additional stats and context.

I wrote a long post then had chat gpt add stats and citations but it got even longer and i trimmed the final version down to my last post.
https://chatgpt.com/s/dr_683fa5a5cb408191816b24b594d4d221

Here's the original with links to sources.
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Post#911 » by DaVoiceMaster » Wed Jun 4, 2025 2:50 am

Case2012 wrote:I think the 2 best shooters are Coward and WCJ and they should both be available especially if we can get one of those magic picks for Simons. Coward makes Sharpe replaceable and lets us reset the clock on that first rookie extension. Playing them together could be interesting because I think Coward can play the 3, but then you also need Toumani and Deni out there. WCJ just makes a ton of sense as a back up PG. I like Jakucunis but I think WCJ is a better player and a proven winner. You can't watch him and tell me he doesn't remind you of Dame.

If you havent done so, check out that scouting video on Coward. I really enjoy watching him play, i think he has star potential and that it factor. Solve the shooting problem by replacing Simons with the 2 best shooters in the draft that are much better defenders. As much as i dislike the Blazers management, if they pulled off this roster i can see it making some noise and it's pretty doable.

Scoot/WCJ/Cp3?
Sharpe/Coward
Toumani/Thybulle/Rupert
Deni/Grant/Isaac
Ayton/Clingan/RW

WCJ (Steph/Dame lite but probably closer to FVV or Pritchard)
Coward (Klay)
Toumani (Barnes/Wiggins)
Deni(Iggy?)
Clingan(Bogut)

I think this could be the long term starting line up in a few years and i get a little giddy thinking about it. Squint your eyes and i see a young Warriors roster.

As i went to youtube i coincidently saw this draft sickos video posted about WCJ. They talk pretty extensively about them, as well as Wolf. I am so so high on these guys and it's crazy to me they are so low in the draft. I really think WCJ, Coward and Wolf will be top 10 guys from this class. They start talking about Coward about 30 minutes in and WCJ about 45-50 minutes in.
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I dont think you can get the #16 pick with Isaac. I think it's Simon's for either Isaac or KCP & #16.
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Post#912 » by Case2012 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:04 am

I'm cool with that, i just want that 16.
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Post#913 » by Norm2953 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 6:25 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:I am starting to think McNeeley goes higher than expected. He was a concensus top 8 pick coming into the season, had a down shooting year and then low key rocked the combine.

I think Kon goes lower than expected and Liam higher than expected.


Liam is going to be a solid player and tested well at the combine

If Portland somehow managed to get pick 16 from the Magic in a Simons trade, he'd be my pick at 16 but
it would not be the end of the world if Portland took him at 11.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#914 » by Dame Lizard » Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:46 am

Walton1one wrote:
Dame Lizard wrote:If we walk away with Demin in this draft, I give Portland a D+ as a draft grade. That would be a horrible outcome.

Two of his key weaknesses are shooting and defense. That is literally 70% of what basketball involves.

Fair enough if Mike S was enamored by the talent of 16 year old Demin - but what has he done in the last 3 years to warrant #11 hype?


I don't understand the lack of attention to shooting either, but it has become pretty clear that Cronin\Schmitz don't seem to value that (initially in a prospect) either. remember, they draft Clingan and talk about how he has shown ability to hit the 3, like really?

My guess is that they think it is something they can help a player develop, as long as the tools are there and they would rather gamble on shooting than on athleticism or other factors.

I am intrigued by Demin, but I fully acknowledge he is boom or not bust per se, but bench meh type of player, so that concerns me. It is why I would take Kasparas if he is there, but chances are he will not be, same with Knueppel, I doubt he is there either.

The real question is would Schmitz\Cronin take either player? Crafty players with shooting\passing ability and good size but lack elite athleticism or have defensive questions? My guess is they would lean toward athleticism or positional size. I hope I am wrong, but recent drafts have not shown them to have a willingness to divert from that strategy.

So who does that leave? Bryant, Demin, Essengue, Newell, Riley

Fleming maybe? Though he is projected as a later 1st (rightfully so IMO), maybe Coward, maybe Clifford, both likely reaches @ #11. CMB? Absolutely hate that fit. Queen, same as CMB but for different reasons. Richardson? Really going to run back the (2) small guard lineup like the last 8+ years didn't happen?

For me: 1) Jakucionis or Knueppel if he inexplicably drops - 2) Bryant - 3) Demin - 4)Tough call, either Essengue or Newell. One of those players SHOULD be there, if not, start drinking heavily...

No, but probably McNeeley, Riley or Clifford (I bet Schmitz\Cronin would lean Riley out of that group)

As a sneaky sleeper that I could be ok with? Nolan Traore


I'm really hoping the Portland and Demin affiliation is largely due to Schmitz' praise for Demin back in 2021, rather than indications of Schmitz' current Demin viewing.

Giddey is just about the ceiling for Demin, rather than any reasonable 'expected' outcome.

Areas Demin needs to improve:
- handle
- shooting
- defense.

How this doesn't waive red flags to experts scouts is beyond me. He's also not overly athletic, and his wingspan is pretty average for his height.

This would be Portland's most disappointing draft pick in recent memory imo.

I'm surprised you have Essengue so low, given his upside. We are desperately needing a star, so I'm with a swing for the fences pick. But a player like Demin who lacks athleticism, and has red or amber flags in most areas outside of passing/vision.... Eeeek!
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#915 » by Tim Lehrbach » Wed Jun 4, 2025 4:40 pm

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BlazersBroncos wrote:I am starting to think McNeeley goes higher than expected. He was a concensus top 8 pick coming into the season, had a down shooting year and then low key rocked the combine.

I think Kon goes lower than expected and Liam higher than expected.


Liam is going to be a solid player and tested well at the combine

If Portland somehow managed to get pick 16 from the Magic in a Simons trade, he'd be my pick at 16 but
it would not be the end of the world if Portland took him at 11.

Funny that we're all thinking about Liam McNeeley recently.

My hot take of the draft season is that there is nothing meaningful separating Ace Bailey from Liam McNeeley or Will Riley. Each has some attractive attributes, including length and bounce, but high bust potential, IMO. All three should go late lottery to a team that needs to prioritize swinging for the fences, like Portland, but at least one, Ace, is going to get picked before guys who are much better bets. It would genuinely not surprise me to see these three ranked in any order for career value when it's all said and done.
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Post#916 » by Walton1one » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:11 pm

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Good measurements for Traore, his play the 2nd half of the year in LNB ELite was good, was a Top 5 prospect LY, he could be a riser or if not a great value pick for some team

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So this is something to monitor, the Nets may be offering Cam Johnson & #19 to get into the Top 10 (ahead of POR?) TOR & HOU mentioned, who just happen to be @ #9 & #10, targeting a player that they think POR likes? Demin would be my guess
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#917 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:12 pm

Traore is quite underrated at this point. I expect him and McNeeley to go higher than expected.

Guys that were consensus top-8 picks going into the season that had down years shooting generally end up going high still.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#918 » by Walton1one » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:13 pm

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Noah Penda measurements, worked out for POR LY, another player who could continue to rise before draft day

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Markovic, shooting big, likely a 2nd rounder, comps to Santi Aldama

Strengths
Shooting: Good 3-point shooter with a high release. He made 39.4% of his catch-and-shoot 3s, per Synergy.

Post scoring: Extremely skilled post scorer who has ambidextrous touch using either hand.

Passing: Keeps the ball moving within the flow of the offense, showing skills in the short roll and from the post.

Defensive upside: He has quickness and size, so in time he could become a versatile defender. And even though he needs to get stronger, he competes his butt off making rotations and rebounding.


Concerns
Strength: Thin frame limits him on defense. He gets overpowered in the paint and when containing perimeter players. Also not an impactful rebounder.

Ball-handling: He gets too loose with his handle, which leads to turnovers.


https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/2025-nba-draft-scouting-report-bogoljub-markovic-f-mega-basket-173940906.html
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#919 » by Walton1one » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:32 pm

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Dame Lizard wrote:If we walk away with Demin in this draft, I give Portland a D+ as a draft grade. That would be a horrible outcome.

Two of his key weaknesses are shooting and defense. That is literally 70% of what basketball involves.

Fair enough if Mike S was enamored by the talent of 16 year old Demin - but what has he done in the last 3 years to warrant #11 hype?


I don't understand the lack of attention to shooting either, but it has become pretty clear that Cronin\Schmitz don't seem to value that (initially in a prospect) either. remember, they draft Clingan and talk about how he has shown ability to hit the 3, like really?

My guess is that they think it is something they can help a player develop, as long as the tools are there and they would rather gamble on shooting than on athleticism or other factors.

I am intrigued by Demin, but I fully acknowledge he is boom or not bust per se, but bench meh type of player, so that concerns me. It is why I would take Kasparas if he is there, but chances are he will not be, same with Knueppel, I doubt he is there either.

The real question is would Schmitz\Cronin take either player? Crafty players with shooting\passing ability and good size but lack elite athleticism or have defensive questions? My guess is they would lean toward athleticism or positional size. I hope I am wrong, but recent drafts have not shown them to have a willingness to divert from that strategy.

So who does that leave? Bryant, Demin, Essengue, Newell, Riley

Fleming maybe? Though he is projected as a later 1st (rightfully so IMO), maybe Coward, maybe Clifford, both likely reaches @ #11. CMB? Absolutely hate that fit. Queen, same as CMB but for different reasons. Richardson? Really going to run back the (2) small guard lineup like the last 8+ years didn't happen?

For me: 1) Jakucionis or Knueppel if he inexplicably drops - 2) Bryant - 3) Demin - 4)Tough call, either Essengue or Newell. One of those players SHOULD be there, if not, start drinking heavily...

No, but probably McNeeley, Riley or Clifford (I bet Schmitz\Cronin would lean Riley out of that group)

As a sneaky sleeper that I could be ok with? Nolan Traore


I'm really hoping the Portland and Demin affiliation is largely due to Schmitz' praise for Demin back in 2021, rather than indications of Schmitz' current Demin viewing.

Giddey is just about the ceiling for Demin, rather than any reasonable 'expected' outcome.

Areas Demin needs to improve:
- handle
- shooting
- defense.

How this doesn't waive red flags to experts scouts is beyond me. He's also not overly athletic, and his wingspan is pretty average for his height.

This would be Portland's most disappointing draft pick in recent memory imo.

I'm surprised you have Essengue so low, given his upside. We are desperately needing a star, so I'm with a swing for the fences pick. But a player like Demin who lacks athleticism, and has red or amber flags in most areas outside of passing/vision.... Eeeek!


The thing with Demin is he has ELITE passing\court vision, high bball IQ\feel for the game and fantastic (unicorn like) size for his position and at his size prvides great positional versatility (likely can play PG\SG\SF)

Strengths
Elite Playmaking: Demin is one of the best live-dribble passers in this projected draft class, showing exceptional court vision and decision-making.

Scoring Versatility: Capable of scoring from deep, mid-range, and around the rim with a smooth touch and consistent footwork.

High Basketball IQ: Reads defenses at a high level, making quick decisions to exploit mismatches or create opportunities for teammates.

PnR Mastery:
Thrives in pick-and-roll situations, combining tight handles and body control to keep defenders off balance.

Size for Position: At 6'9", Demin uses his height and length effectively to shoot over defenders and protect the ball against quicker players.


Concerns
Defensive Translatability: His lack of athleticism and unclear defensive position raise questions about his defensive effectiveness at the NBA level.

Free-Throw Shooting: Early-season struggles at the free-throw line suggest that Demin needs to improve his efficiency from the stripe.

Rebounding Effort: Despite his size, Demin is not an aggressive rebounder, which limits his versatility.

Athleticism Ceiling: Without elite quickness or explosiveness, he may struggle against NBA-level athletes on both ends of the floor.


Egor Demin stands out as one of the most intriguing prospects for the 2025 NBA Draft. Combining size, playmaking, and scoring ability in a 6'8" frame, he boasts a high basketball IQ and a polished offensive game that points to star potential. However, questions about his defensive versatility and athletic ceiling remain. Continued improvement in free-throw shooting and added strength will be key to his development—Demin projects as a versatile and impactful player at the next level.


[url]"Demin’s playmaking ability is special. Few players his size have his vision and feel for the game. His upside is high—he’s a unique prospect."[/url]

https://www.babcockhoops.com/post/2025-nba-draft-egor-demin-scouting-report

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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#920 » by oldfishermen » Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:47 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:I am starting to think McNeeley goes higher than expected. He was a concensus top 8 pick coming into the season, had a down shooting year and then low key rocked the combine.

I think Kon goes lower than expected and Liam higher than expected.


Liam is going to be a solid player and tested well at the combine

If Portland somehow managed to get pick 16 from the Magic in a Simons trade, he'd be my pick at 16 but
it would not be the end of the world if Portland took him at 11.

Funny that we're all thinking about Liam McNeeley recently.

My hot take of the draft season is that there is nothing meaningful separating Ace Bailey from Liam McNeeley or Will Riley. Each has some attractive attributes, including length and bounce, but high bust potential, IMO. All three should go late lottery to a team that needs to prioritize swinging for the fences, like Portland, but at least one, Ace, is going to get picked before guys who are much better bets. It would genuinely not surprise me to see these three ranked in any order for career value when it's all said and done.


Agreed on Ace being way overrated.

Ace being ranked in the top 4 of just about every mock draft is why I discount and question everything they post. Ace has more red flags than a parade in China.

But he may break two NBA records. 1) The biggest black hole in the history of the NBA. 2) And/or the worst assist to turnover ratio in NBA history. He managed 1.3 assists pg at Rutgers last season, while helping the opponents with 2 turnovers.

Thr good news is, Ace is trying to learn how to spell defense, but has no idea what that means.

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