Options for This Offseason

[TB]

Are you giving up Jimmy, Dray, and all future picks to get Giannis? Assuming Jimmy & Dray go out for assets Milwaukee would want, would you trade all the picks and swaps, all unprotected, plus all the young players, plus Dray & Jimmy, to get Giannis? Not sure but that's essentially what I meant by "all-in"

if you want to split hairs and say Dray stays, sure. Keep him. So it's Dray, Giannis, Steph and no one else. No picks. Do you do it?

p.s. Are you trading butler for KD? Or Dray + Moody for a borderline all-star? I'm a 'no' on both of these options, btw.

Ya I think in the case of Giannis that means Jimmy, Podz, and all the picks are going to the Bucks, which i’d do in a heartbeat.

I don’t think there are many scenarios where Dray’s salary is whats needed/wanted to get an allstar or even good starter like Cam Johnson, but ya if he’s what someone wants to bring in for an allstar or great fit with Steph/Jimmy, that option could work too.

So I think i’m a “yes” on all those options if the value feels right. But that doesn’t mean i’m trading all future picks this offseason for whatever the best player is no matter what… it’s got to be something that gives Steph a roster that if healthy can have a chance at getting to the WCF and beyond if the stars align.

But I like that we are in a scenario where we might still be a dangerous top 6 team without needing to make one of those deals… because the reality is I don’t think any of those types of players are picking the Warriors as their main destination. So we probably are running it back while adding some 3/D options and a backup PG to be a better version of what we saw with Jimmy last year.

You end up basically being a little bit better version of the current Bucks before Lillard went down.

Golden State needs to try to hit on the edges for Curry WHILE also preparing for life after Curry. GS can have a TON of cap space the summer after Curry, Butler and Draymond's contracts are done which is another reason not to extend Kuminga and have that salary eating up cap space that you can use to take on bad contracts for assets. Take a 2-3 year bashing after Curry, take on bad salaries for 1st round picks and get as many shots as you can to draft your next franchise player. Basically, give yourself a shot for the next 2 years and then embrace the rebuild!

Well for starters the Bucks with Dame healthy were still in the mix for being a top 5 team in the East…. but more importantly thats disrespectful to Steph and Dray lol. Giannis, Steph, Dray is so much better than what the Bucks had.

[Old_Blue]

Every time I hear about trading "all the picks" for Giannis, I cringe. In '29, '30 and '31, Steph would be 41, 42 and 43 years old and Giannis would be 34, 35 and 36. Given the choice, I'd rather do "some of the picks" for Durant.

[azwfan]

Every time I hear about trading "all the picks" for Giannis, I cringe. In '29, '30 and '31, Steph would be 41, 42 and 43 years old and Giannis would be 34, 35 and 36. Given the choice, I'd rather do "some of the picks" for Durant.

All the picks!

[TB]

Every time I hear about trading "all the picks" for Giannis, I cringe. In '29, '30 and '31, Steph would be 41, 42 and 43 years old and Giannis would be 34, 35 and 36. Given the choice, I'd rather do "some of the picks" for Durant.

Steph will not be playing at 41,42,43… he will be retired working on his golf game.

Giannis at 30 years old averaging a 30/12/7 with elite defensive potential for every pick is so much more valuable now and later than KD for a couple less picks.

The pitch to Giannis would be that he gets this year and next with Steph (maybe a 3rd), then we have the market/willingness to spend and get free agents to build around him for the rest of his career, in a location that he will want to do business and build his family in a forever location he might like more than Milwaukee.

If we have Giannis for the next 8 years we don’t need those picks.

[AirP.]

Well for starters the Bucks with Dame healthy were still in the mix for being a top 5 team in the East…. but more importantly thats disrespectful to Steph and Dray lol. Giannis, Steph, Dray is so much better than what the Bucks had.

It doesn't fix your spacing issue; it actually makes it worse. You aren't getting Giannis for Butler + picks... oh no, you're probably going to be forced to take on 1-2 bad contracts while sending some very good youth the other way like Podz, possibly Moody too.

Lillard averaged around 25 a game on 62% TS% while getting 7 assists this year and still they weren't considered a real threat.

[AirP.]

Every time I hear about trading "all the picks" for Giannis, I cringe. In '29, '30 and '31, Steph would be 41, 42 and 43 years old and Giannis would be 34, 35 and 36. Given the choice, I'd rather do "some of the picks" for Durant.

Steph will not be playing at 41,42,43… he will be retired working on his golf game.

Giannis at 30 years old averaging a 30/12/7 with elite defensive potential for every pick is so much more valuable now and later than KD for a couple less picks.

The pitch to Giannis would be that he gets this year and next with Steph (maybe a 3rd), then we have the market/willingness to spend and get free agents to build around him for the rest of his career, in a location that he will want to do business and build his family in a forever location he might like more than Milwaukee.

If we have Giannis for the next 8 years we don’t need those picks.

You need them if you want to acquire some talent to put around Giannis after Curry is gone. If Curry were say... 33 I'd say go for it, but he's got possibly just 2 more years to play.

[TB]

Well for starters the Bucks with Dame healthy were still in the mix for being a top 5 team in the East…. but more importantly thats disrespectful to Steph and Dray lol. Giannis, Steph, Dray is so much better than what the Bucks had.

It doesn't fix your spacing issue; it actually makes it worse. You aren't getting Giannis for Butler + picks... oh no, you're probably going to be forced to take on 1-2 bad contracts while sending some very good youth the other way like Podz, possibly Moody too.

Lillard averaged around 25 a game on 62% TS% while getting 7 assists this year and still they weren't considered a real threat.

Lillard is nowhere near as good as Steph.

Dray is better than any other big they have.

With Giannis instead of Butler you just do the same thing we are going to have to do this offseason with Jimmy… surround them with 3/D players.

Also they don’t really have bad contracts…. maybe Kuzma but he’s only for 20m a year the next 2 years…. i mean sure we could find a way to take that back for Moody/Buddy but not sure they even would want that.

Point is, if Giannis says he wants to be a Warrior this year, the Bucks have no leverage and pretty much need to take Jimmy/Podz/every Dubs pick for the next 7 years or they risk destroying an important relationship with an all-time great as well as future free agents or stars.

What to send the Bucks isn’t the hard part. The hard part is getting Giannis to actually want to be a Warrior. Which is incredibly unlikely so sort of not worth the discussion.

[TB]

Every time I hear about trading "all the picks" for Giannis, I cringe. In '29, '30 and '31, Steph would be 41, 42 and 43 years old and Giannis would be 34, 35 and 36. Given the choice, I'd rather do "some of the picks" for Durant.

Steph will not be playing at 41,42,43… he will be retired working on his golf game.

Giannis at 30 years old averaging a 30/12/7 with elite defensive potential for every pick is so much more valuable now and later than KD for a couple less picks.

The pitch to Giannis would be that he gets this year and next with Steph (maybe a 3rd), then we have the market/willingness to spend and get free agents to build around him for the rest of his career, in a location that he will want to do business and build his family in a forever location he might like more than Milwaukee.

If we have Giannis for the next 8 years we don’t need those picks.

You need them if you want to acquire some talent to put around Giannis after Curry is gone. If Curry were say... 33 I'd say go for it, but he's got possibly just 2 more years to play.

If Curry only has 2 more years, isn’t that even more reason to get Giannis so we still have a superstar after he retires?

only having pick swaps during those years is totally fine… we’d have a ton of cap space after steph/Jimmy/Dray retire/leave to sign multiple players that can have Giannis as the leader of a contender.

[azwfan]

Steph will not be playing at 41,42,43… he will be retired working on his golf game.

Giannis at 30 years old averaging a 30/12/7 with elite defensive potential for every pick is so much more valuable now and later than KD for a couple less picks.

The pitch to Giannis would be that he gets this year and next with Steph (maybe a 3rd), then we have the market/willingness to spend and get free agents to build around him for the rest of his career, in a location that he will want to do business and build his family in a forever location he might like more than Milwaukee.

If we have Giannis for the next 8 years we don’t need those picks.

You need them if you want to acquire some talent to put around Giannis after Curry is gone. If Curry were say... 33 I'd say go for it, but he's got possibly just 2 more years to play.

If Curry only has 2 more years, isn’t that even more reason to get Giannis so we still have a superstar after he retires?

only having pick swaps during those years is totally fine… we’d have a ton of cap space after steph/Jimmy/Dray retire/leave to sign multiple players that can have Giannis as the leader of a contender.

Think of it, we could get the next Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Podz, and PBJ tho.

[TB]

You need them if you want to acquire some talent to put around Giannis after Curry is gone. If Curry were say... 33 I'd say go for it, but he's got possibly just 2 more years to play.

If Curry only has 2 more years, isn’t that even more reason to get Giannis so we still have a superstar after he retires?

only having pick swaps during those years is totally fine… we’d have a ton of cap space after steph/Jimmy/Dray retire/leave to sign multiple players that can have Giannis as the leader of a contender.

Think of it, we could get the next Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Podz, and PBJ tho.

Gotta setup the 3 timelines of Steph era > Giannis era > future era

[Onus]

If Curry only has 2 more years, isn’t that even more reason to get Giannis so we still have a superstar after he retires?

only having pick swaps during those years is totally fine… we’d have a ton of cap space after steph/Jimmy/Dray retire/leave to sign multiple players that can have Giannis as the leader of a contender.

Think of it, we could get the next Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Podz, and PBJ tho.

Gotta setup the 3 timelines of Steph era > Giannis era > future era

Have to make sure we keep our 2028 pick for a shot at dabone!

[HiRez]

You need them if you want to acquire some talent to put around Giannis after Curry is gone. If Curry were say... 33 I'd say go for it, but he's got possibly just 2 more years to play.

If Curry only has 2 more years, isn’t that even more reason to get Giannis so we still have a superstar after he retires?

only having pick swaps during those years is totally fine… we’d have a ton of cap space after steph/Jimmy/Dray retire/leave to sign multiple players that can have Giannis as the leader of a contender.

Think of it, we could get the next Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Podz, and PBJ tho.

Come on now, think bigger. JACOB EVANS. Seriously though, I have a lot more confidence in MDJ finding good players outside of the lottery than Myers, although the reality is you're going to miss more than you hit once you get out of the lottery, no matter how good your scouting is.

Trading all our picks? Well I hate the idea, but I also hate wasting all of Curry's last years trying to have it both ways. Since they've already made the decision to keep Steph until he retires, and if they acquire Giannis, that requires an "all in" mindset.

I say go for it, don't worry about the picks and don't worry about anyone else on the team not named Steph. Obviously if you can send some pick swaps instead of picks directly, it's preferable. The worst that can happen is the whole thing blows up in their face, Steph retires and Giannis gets traded (bringing back, presumably, a bunch of new picks) and they start from scratch. But that is still one route to getting back to relevancy in the league and may be easier than starting with a treadmill team.

[marthafokker]

Giannis is better than any future draft picks all together, that GSW will pick, guaranteed!

If he wants to come, give up all youth and picks to make happens. Hopefully Curry and Giannis recruit for bunch of vet mins unlike the last Dynasty.

[azwfan]

If Curry only has 2 more years, isn’t that even more reason to get Giannis so we still have a superstar after he retires?

only having pick swaps during those years is totally fine… we’d have a ton of cap space after steph/Jimmy/Dray retire/leave to sign multiple players that can have Giannis as the leader of a contender.

Think of it, we could get the next Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Podz, and PBJ tho.

Come on now, think bigger. JACOB EVANS. Seriously though, I have a lot more confidence in MDJ finding good players outside of the lottery than Myers, although the reality is you're going to miss more than you hit once you get out of the lottery, no matter how good your scouting is.

Trading all our picks? Well I hate the idea, but I also hate wasting all of Curry's last years trying to have it both ways. Since they've already made the decision to keep Steph until he retires, and if they acquire Giannis, that requires an "all in" mindset.

I say go for it, don't worry about the picks and don't worry about anyone else on the team not named Steph. Obviously if you can send some pick swaps instead of picks directly, it's preferable. The worst that can happen is the whole thing blows up in their face, Steph retires and Giannis gets traded (bringing back, presumably, a bunch of new picks) and they start from scratch. But that is still one route to getting back to relevancy in the league and may be easier than starting with a treadmill team.

To be clear, Giannis is one of the few “stars” id be willing to go all in for. I wouldnt for say… i dont know KD. For KD id probably be willing to give up the appropriate matching salary, but little (if any additional picks and definitely no post-steph 1sts). I dont think its enough to win now, and has a high probability of being lottery bound imo.

[azwfan]

Giannis is better than any future draft picks all together, that GSW will pick, guaranteed!

If he wants to come, give up all youth and picks to make happens. Hopefully Curry and Giannis recruit for bunch of vet mins unlike the last Dynasty.

If Steph isnt on the phone with Giannis as we speak he should be criticized for wasting more Steph years.

Ill never forgive him for breaking his hand in 2019-20 season and pulling his hamstring this year. How dare he waste those precious few years.

[marthafokker]

Giannis is better than any future draft picks all together, that GSW will pick, guaranteed!

If he wants to come, give up all youth and picks to make happens. Hopefully Curry and Giannis recruit for bunch of vet mins unlike the last Dynasty.

If Steph isnt on the phone with Giannis as we speak he should be criticized for wasting more Steph years.

Ill never forgive him for breaking his hand in 2019-20 season and pulling his hamstring this year. How dare he waste those precious few years.

Too much weed for you.... time to detox.

[vvoland]

You need them if you want to acquire some talent to put around Giannis after Curry is gone. If Curry were say... 33 I'd say go for it, but he's got possibly just 2 more years to play.

If Curry only has 2 more years, isn’t that even more reason to get Giannis so we still have a superstar after he retires?

only having pick swaps during those years is totally fine… we’d have a ton of cap space after steph/Jimmy/Dray retire/leave to sign multiple players that can have Giannis as the leader of a contender.

Think of it, we could get the next Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Podz, and PBJ tho.

Exactly why I would trade ALL the picks. You forgot evans, mccaw, bell, manion, and, everyone's favorite Smailogic. If you can identify talent, you can trade into the draft at 11 or 12 and get jamal murray, shai, haliburton, etc. If you can't identify talent, you'll draft Kevin Knox over Shai and your 1st round pick does a lot more harm than good.

[vvoland]

That's before we mention if we go full tank, we can still unload giannis for other teams' bad picks, or even try to get our own back. We'll have enough salary cap room to take bad contracts for picks and young players. The rebuild will be fine, whenever it starts. One. More. Run.

[vvoland]

interesting that there are only 4 people that want to blow it up, <20%.

[Old_Blue]

interesting that there are only 4 people that want to blow it up, <20%.

That's because "Blow it up" would mean trading Steph. And, only a total low life B tard would advocate for trading Steph.