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2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1361 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:11 pm

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PushDaRock wrote:
Dalek wrote:Jeremiah Fears may be the pick because we know the Raptors will take a swing on talent even if the analytics aren't perfect. Ja'Kobe Walter had an inefficient college season shooting, but they believed in him as a shooter and liked how he drew fouls. This is very similar to Fears. He is elite at drawing contact and not adverse to being aggressive.

His shooting numbers are scary for a guard:

53% at the rim
28% three point
46% two point

Excellent indicators:
52% FTR
85% FT
29 AST%

Best comp to me is Collin Sexton who also played in the SEC but was a year older:
57% at the rim
34% three point but on low volume
40% two point

58% FTR
78% FT
28 AST%

My swing factor for Fears is that from February to March he really upped his play in pressure situations. Now, as we get close to the draft we a transformation - he has the braids and a cool swag about him. If you carry yourself like he does in this video, it seems like he has the star mentality. Compare him with Kasparas who looks like he wants to say all the right things and be a pleaser, I kind of lean towards the kid that projects himself with confidence.



Picking him for his cool swag is an interesting choice


The way a person carries themselves says a lot to me. If people looks phased by cameras and the spotlight then they may not handle the NBA well.

:lol:

You remind me of the money all scouts. You gonna find out if his girlfriend is ugly to determine his confidence?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1362 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:18 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
Dalek wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
Picking him for his cool swag is an interesting choice


The way a person carries themselves says a lot to me. If people looks phased by cameras and the spotlight then they may not handle the NBA well.

:lol:

You remind me of the money all scouts. You gonna find out if his girlfriend is ugly to determine his confidence?

He has an ugly girlfriend. Now to me, that says the kid has low confidence.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1363 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:19 pm

Dalek wrote:
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Dalek wrote:
The way a person carries themselves says a lot to me. If people looks phased by cameras and the spotlight then they may not handle the NBA well.


Or maybe you should consider that English isn't Kasparas' first language and that might be why he isn't comfortable enough or able to show off the "cool swag" you are looking for because of that.


I mean I am not solely judging off swag but looking confident and articulate is important for a lead guard. There were many elite Euroleague guards who never made it in the NBA and lack of comfortability, communication all played a part.

When things tightened up on KJ he looked bad having 6 turnovers in two of his last couple games. I still am interested in him, but I get the feeling he won't be the same type of player in the NBA. He might be more like Bogdanovic more than a lead PG. Not a primary engine but a good role player.


I'll start off by saying idk what to make of Kasp...he's obv still very young & coming to a new country, trying to learn the language/culture etc all plays a part in the "swag" element of it but to me that's not really one of the main defining factors for on court success. I think it certainly helps BUT the most important is...

Inner confidence....not outward.

Sure some of the most elite players of all time had/have next level aura like MJ, Ant, Shaq...even LeBron is confident as hell. BUT on the flip side there are soft spoken greats like Kawhi, Duncan, Luka etc. Likewise you have big mouths like Pat Bev who really ain't sh*t, then you have someone quiet like Ingram who can ball. Embiid can troll like he's the man until the moment gets big then he looks for a scapegoat or excuse, Harden claims to be the system until it's crunch time then suddenly he blames his lack of scoring on his supposed role. So it's not really about how they outwardly speak or emote but what is their confidence like in the big moments?!

What I'm saying doesn't mean I believe Kasp belongs in the later category because as you said he had high turnovers and I do recall him losing some key matchups where you wondered where was this guy who at one point was in top 5 consideration?! Which is why I'm sort of indifferent to KJ now because I really liked some of the skill & bball IQ buuut I don't recall him having some huge performances against the real top teams in college and that isn't so much concerning but certainly doesn't boost my confidence that he can be a true lead guard to carry a team. Someone compared him to Podz which I don't think is quite accurate but I get the line of thinking where he should be a really good player but star?! I need to be sold more and since I'm not as encouraged as some are, right now he seems more a Podz level player to me than a mini Luka which is why if we're likely dealing with high level role players that we're just hoping to developing into a star...I'll elect to take one that can defend at a high level & shoot so I know I have at least a couple of things I can count on and develop from there (ie/ Bryant or Coward instead) because if KJ isn't great offensively, I'm not sure what to make of his impact overall.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1364 » by Pointgod » Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:30 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Cam Johnson is such an upgrade on RJ that it isn’t even funny lol.

Dropping 10 picks it too steep though, we need more guys to contribute to winning basketball on rookie contracts.


No way in hell Cam Johnson is worth dropping that far down to get a roll player. Not to mention he adds to the wing glut.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1365 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:48 pm

I gotta say - I'm surprised that there is serious debate around moving #9 + Barrett for Johnson and #19.

It's a no for me.

Barrett still has two years left at a fairly reasonable price and is still just 25. Johnson is almost 30
Johnson is injured quite frequently
Johnson plays the same position as our two best players

Plus we have to move 10 spots back in the draft after having to endure this past year of basketball?

This should be a fairly easy no, guys.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1366 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:50 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:I gotta say - I'm surprised that there is serious debate around moving #9 + Barrett for Johnson and #19.

It's a no for me.

Barrett still has two years left at a fairly reasonable price and is still just 25. Johnson is almost 30
Johnson is injured quite frequently
Johnson plays the same position as our two best players

Plus we have to move 10 spots back in the draft after having to endure this past year of basketball?

This should be a fairly easy no, guys.

People like shiny new rookies. No one analyzes things objectively. If RJ Barrett were in this draft he goes top 3, maybe 2. Even at 23, take RJ’s skill set and put it on an NCAA roster and you’re not trading this guy for the 19th pick and Cam Johnson, much less giving up 9.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1367 » by Mark_83 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:53 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1368 » by Got Nuffin » Thu Jun 5, 2025 12:02 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:I gotta say - I'm surprised that there is serious debate around moving #9 + Barrett for Johnson and #19.

It's a no for me.

Barrett still has two years left at a fairly reasonable price and is still just 25. Johnson is almost 30
Johnson is injured quite frequently
Johnson plays the same position as our two best players

Plus we have to move 10 spots back in the draft after having to endure this past year of basketball?

This should be a fairly easy no, guys.


Yeah and while Cam Johnson did look really good this past season, he has been at this level for exactly that one season. On a team which was as terrible as we were, but without the youth. How do we know Johnson will be able to keep this performance up a year from now, two years from now as he enters his 30s? And on a team which will be focused on developing players other than him?

Hell no.
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Post#1369 » by bboyskinnylegs » Thu Jun 5, 2025 12:16 am

If we did to this trade down deal, I wonder who we'd be interested in at 19. There's decent talent that will still be there, but it will also be much harder to predict who doesn't get scooped up in the lottery
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1370 » by RoteSchroder » Thu Jun 5, 2025 12:38 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:I gotta say - I'm surprised that there is serious debate around moving #9 + Barrett for Johnson and #19.

It's a no for me.

Barrett still has two years left at a fairly reasonable price and is still just 25. Johnson is almost 30
Johnson is injured quite frequently
Johnson plays the same position as our two best players

Plus we have to move 10 spots back in the draft after having to endure this past year of basketball?

This should be a fairly easy no, guys.


If Essengue/Kon isn’t there, I would do RJ + 9 + 39 for CJ + 19 + 25 + 26

Grab a Yang (or other big), Markovic, whoever falls (mocks are all over the place with Jase, Fleming, Newell, Traore, etc.)

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Scottie / Markovic
Ingram / CJ / Mogbo
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1371 » by Mark_83 » Thu Jun 5, 2025 12:41 am

A few of my draft sleepers who I hope we target if they go undrafted.

Jalon Moore, SG/SF, Oklahoma

-Elite athlete with prototypical measurables for a wing. Can shoot the three off the catch (38.1%) but needs to improve handle. 6'7" 200lbs with a 6'10 wingspan and 39 inch vertical. He's in that Derrick Jones Jr. Trevor Ariza mold of player.

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Brice Williams, SG/SF, Nebraska

-Overaged college player who's turning 24 in July. Polished scoring repertoire. Was Nebraska's late game trigger man, so he can get his shot off against pressure off the dribble. 6'6" 205lbs with a 6'10" wingspan. Not overly athletic, and succeeds mostly through smoothness and craft in the pick and roll.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1372 » by Zeno » Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:00 am

I like trading for Cam though I am not sure if RJ qualifies as a ‘bad contract’. Maybe we can send RJ to a 3rd team for a legit bad contract to send to the Nets for Cam and pick up additional assets. Also one thing people don’t seem to be taking into account is that we’d be dropping 7.2 million in salary plus about 2.8 million for the difference in rookie scale. That basically opens up the possibility of signing Chris to a 1+1 human trade exception type contract or using most of the MLE. It would however force Scottie into basically playing the 2 in the starting lineup which I don’t believe he can guard effectively. But I like the idea of this trade value-wise provided we can get a little extra from a 3rd for RJ and the guys we want are gone at 9. I leave that up to the scouting staff to judge.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1373 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:23 am

bboyskinnylegs wrote:If we did to this trade down deal, I wonder who we'd be interested in at 19. There's decent talent that will still be there, but it will also be much harder to predict who doesn't get scooped up in the lottery


I wouldn't do that Cam Johnson deal but I have discussed a potential move back deal with Atlanta. Even then, with the fluidity of this draft, I'm not even sure that's a great idea either.

After the first 5 or 6 picks, where one should still expected a certain amount of uncertainty, I expect the rest of the draft to be very unpredictable. It would really suck to want to acquire assets moving down and then miss out on your guy.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1374 » by djsunyc » Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:46 am

how does queen compare to demarcus cousins coming out of college?
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Post#1375 » by Psubs » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:00 am

Mark_83 wrote:A few of my draft sleepers who I hope we target if they go undrafted.

Jalon Moore, SG/SF, Oklahoma

-Elite athletes with prototypical measurables for a wing. Can shoot the three of the catch (38.1%) but needs to improve handle. 6'7" 200lbs with a 6'10 wingspan and 39 inch vertical. He's in that Derrick Jones Jr. Trevor Ariza mold of player.

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Brice Williams, SG/SF, Nebraska

-Overaged college player who's turning 24 in July. Polished scoring repertoire. Was Nebraska's late game trigger man, so he can get his shot off against pressure off the dribble. 6'6" 205lbs with a 6'10" wingspan. Not overly athletic, and succeeds mostly through smoothness and craft in the pick and roll.

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If we consolidate out depth, he would be a good pick up. Better size than Lawson (SG only). He could be like Jaylen Wells. :nod:
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1376 » by Psubs » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:04 am

djsunyc wrote:how does queen compare to demarcus cousins coming out of college?


I guess the handles were similar but Cousins was a good interior defender and more powerful.

Queen more like a less strong Al Jefferson with slightly better handles.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1377 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:17 am

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1378 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:22 am

djsunyc wrote:how does queen compare to demarcus cousins coming out of college?

DMC was a per minute god coming out of college. The dude was far and away the best big declaring that season and he only dropped because of athleticism and he’s clearly a bit rambunctious.

Queen is no where near the prospect that Cousins was.
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Post#1379 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:52 am

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Post#1380 » by Psubs » Thu Jun 5, 2025 3:00 am

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Carter Bryant at #9 :nod:
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