2025 Draft Thread - Part 2

[closg00]

Cooper Flagg has zero weaknesses per tankathon.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/cooper-flagg

Who is your pick for player that will have a greater impact for draft position 5 years from now? It would be fair to wait until the end of the next season, but if you really want to be Nostradamus

Neither Fears nor Johnson are worth the hype.

Jase Richardson will be far better than Fears or Tre. He's got the bloodlines and the grit from Michigan State.

Kon Knueppel will be a solid starterstar in 5 years.

Cameron Murray-Boyles will be a tremendous defender.

Rasheer Fleming will be the if the draft.

Nique Clifford is worth a mid first despite his age. I can't see him not being a Derrick White.

Kameron Jones will start early in his career.

Cedric Coward has FUTURE ALL STAR numbers. Relative to where he's mocked he would be a tremendous pick.

There you are: Jase Richardson and Cedric Coward.

Noted and you are on the record.

I am going to disagree about Fears. One of the most underrated things about Fears is that unlike Jase, Fears can dribble well with either hand at 18 years old, he is going to get much much better, I believe he has star potential.

[AFM]

Maybe a hot take but I have very little interest in VJ Edgecombe. Even if he slips. He gives me Emmanuel Mudiay vibes

[PaulinVA]

One for CCJ.

Dude LOVES Queen at 6 (at the 3:40 mark).

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[tontoz]

Maybe a hot take but I have very little interest in VJ Edgecombe. Even if he slips. He gives me Emmanuel Mudiay vibes

I watched him in several games. I would definitely take him if he falls to us. He measured bigger than expected and is an impact player on defense.

I suspect he has more on offense than he has shown. I doubt the Hornets pass on him.

[Dat2U]

Cooper Flagg has zero weaknesses per tankathon.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/cooper-flagg

Who is your pick for player that will have a greater impact for draft position 5 years from now? It would be fair to wait until the end of the next season, but if you really want to be Nostradamus

Neither Fears nor Johnson are worth the hype.

Jase Richardson will be far better than Fears or Tre. He's got the bloodlines and the grit from Michigan State.

Kon Knueppel will be a solid starterstar in 5 years.

Cameron Murray-Boyles will be a tremendous defender.

Rasheer Fleming will be the if the draft.

Nique Clifford is worth a mid first despite his age. I can't see him not being a Derrick White.

Kameron Jones will start early in his career.

Cedric Coward has FUTURE ALL STAR numbers. Relative to where he's mocked he would be a tremendous pick.

There you are: Jase Richardson and Cedric Coward.

I dont understand the dislike of Tre or why so many people have him late lottery or lower. What am I missing? Best volume shooter in the draft. Can hit you off the bounce, or with a stepback, or a sidestep and then relocate, shoot on the move coming of screens/curls/pindowns. The man shoots equally well in all aspects and also excels from mid-range. He can read the floor and make correct decisions so he's capable of setting up others. The 6-11 1/2 wingspan tells you he can at least be a passable defender. 4th best player in the draft to me.

[NatP4]

Maybe a hot take but I have very little interest in VJ Edgecombe. Even if he slips. He gives me Emmanuel Mudiay vibes

I watched him in several games. I would definitely take him if he falls to us. He measured bigger than expected and is an impact player on defense.

I suspect he has more on offense than he has shown. I doubt the Hornets pass on him.

Edgecombe would be the guy I target in a trade up (assuming Flagg and Harper are untouchable). Looks like a Victor Oladipo clone -who would’ve been a great player if not for all the injuries.

[WizarDynasty]

Who is your pick for player that will have a greater impact for draft position 5 years from now? It would be fair to wait until the end of the next season, but if you really want to be Nostradamus

Neither Fears nor Johnson are worth the hype.

Jase Richardson will be far better than Fears or Tre. He's got the bloodlines and the grit from Michigan State.

Kon Knueppel will be a solid starterstar in 5 years.

Cameron Murray-Boyles will be a tremendous defender.

Rasheer Fleming will be the if the draft.

Nique Clifford is worth a mid first despite his age. I can't see him not being a Derrick White.

Kameron Jones will start early in his career.

Cedric Coward has FUTURE ALL STAR numbers. Relative to where he's mocked he would be a tremendous pick.

There you are: Jase Richardson and Cedric Coward.

I dont understand the dislike of Tre or why so many people have him late lottery or lower. What am I missing? Best volume shooter in the draft. Can hit you off the bounce, or with a stepback, or a sidestep and then relocate, shoot on the move coming of screens/curls/pindowns. The man shoots equally well in all aspects and also excels from mid-range. He can read the floor and make correct decisions so he's capable of setting up others. The 6-11 1/2 wingspan tells you he can at least be a passable defender. 4th best player in the draft to me.

Inefficient volume shooters are a dime a dozen in NBA. Rarely has an inefficient volume shooter transformed into a .50 percent or better volume shooter in the nba. .42 percent on volume is horrible.

[AFM]

Neither Fears nor Johnson are worth the hype.

Jase Richardson will be far better than Fears or Tre. He's got the bloodlines and the grit from Michigan State.

Kon Knueppel will be a solid starterstar in 5 years.

Cameron Murray-Boyles will be a tremendous defender.

Rasheer Fleming will be the if the draft.

Nique Clifford is worth a mid first despite his age. I can't see him not being a Derrick White.

Kameron Jones will start early in his career.

Cedric Coward has FUTURE ALL STAR numbers. Relative to where he's mocked he would be a tremendous pick.

There you are: Jase Richardson and Cedric Coward.

I dont understand the dislike of Tre or why so many people have him late lottery or lower. What am I missing? Best volume shooter in the draft. Can hit you off the bounce, or with a stepback, or a sidestep and then relocate, shoot on the move coming of screens/curls/pindowns. The man shoots equally well in all aspects and also excels from mid-range. He can read the floor and make correct decisions so he's capable of setting up others. The 6-11 1/2 wingspan tells you he can at least be a passable defender. 4th best player in the draft to me.

Inefficient volume shooters are a dime a dozen in NBA. Rarely has an inefficient volume shooter transformed into a .50 percent or better volume shooter in the nba. .42 percent on volume is horrible.

Why do you keep disregarding that a 3 is worth more than a 2. Dude shoots 40% from 3 on 7 attempts a game. And they aren't stand in the corner 3s either. Most are Tre creating off the dribble.

[NatP4]

56% TS and 40% from 3 on high volume, just turned 19 in March.

I have some concerns about his ability to break down defenses, get to the rim, draw free throws, and defend, but the shooting/primary option scoring seems legit. The combine numbers, especially the 6’10 wingspan are eye-opening.

[payitforward]

Maybe a hot take but I have very little interest in VJ Edgecombe. Even if he slips. He gives me Emmanuel Mudiay vibes

Ditto.

[payitforward]

I dont understand the dislike of Tre or why so many people have him late lottery or lower. What am I missing? Best volume shooter in the draft. Can hit you off the bounce, or with a stepback, or a sidestep and then relocate, shoot on the move coming of screens/curls/pindowns. The man shoots equally well in all aspects and also excels from mid-range. He can read the floor and make correct decisions so he's capable of setting up others. The 6-11 1/2 wingspan tells you he can at least be a passable defender. 4th best player in the draft to me.

Look at all his non-shooting numbers overall: bad.
As to his shooting, both his FT% & 3pt.% are good, but his 2pt % is .44, & his overall EFG% 51.1% -- not good.

He may turn out great -- no doubt about it. But there's not enough in his actual performance that I could take a chance at 6.

[WizarDynasty]

I dont understand the dislike of Tre or why so many people have him late lottery or lower. What am I missing? Best volume shooter in the draft. Can hit you off the bounce, or with a stepback, or a sidestep and then relocate, shoot on the move coming of screens/curls/pindowns. The man shoots equally well in all aspects and also excels from mid-range. He can read the floor and make correct decisions so he's capable of setting up others. The 6-11 1/2 wingspan tells you he can at least be a passable defender. 4th best player in the draft to me.

Inefficient volume shooters are a dime a dozen in NBA. Rarely has an inefficient volume shooter transformed into a .50 percent or better volume shooter in the nba. .42 percent on volume is horrible.

Why do you keep disregarding that a 3 is worth more than a 2. Dude shoots 40% from 3 on 7 attempts a game. And they aren't stand in the corner 3s either. Most are Tre creating off the dribble.

135/300 for shots inside the three point line is average to poor for a guy who you tank the season for.b
He shot his 2pointers on volume at .45 percent. That is very mediocre for an engine. It only gets worse against NBA competition. He looks loke another bradley beal mistake. Aim for potential engines with a lottery pick. Tre is not a potential engine. Remember .50 percent on 2 pointers or very close to it. 45 percent is not good. This team has to take a risk and aim for potential engines, not inefficient volume scorers. That is what Tre is.

[DCZards]

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Inefficient volume shooters are a dime a dozen in NBA. Rarely has an inefficient volume shooter transformed into a .50 percent or better volume shooter in the nba. .42 percent on volume is horrible.

I don’t pay much attention to the efficiency numbers of college players who were the go-to players on their teams. They are the focus of the other teams D and often force more shots than they should.

At UGA, Anthony Edwards had the exact same volume of shots as Tre Johnson and his efficiency numbers were worse. Johnson already has a more well-rounded and polished offensive game than Edwards had coming out of college.

[WizarDynasty]

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Inefficient volume shooters are a dime a dozen in NBA. Rarely has an inefficient volume shooter transformed into a .50 percent or better volume shooter in the nba. .42 percent on volume is horrible.

I don’t pay much attention to the efficiency numbers of college players who were the go-to players on their teams. They are the focus of the other teams D and often force more shots than they should.

At UGA, Anthony Edwards had the exact same volume of shots as Tre Johnson and his efficiency numbers were worse. Johnson already has a more well-rounded and polished offensive game than Edwards had coming out of college.

Anthony Edwards has not reached Engine Status. Dont let the hype fool you. Just loke Jamee Harden has not. Stop falling in love with 3 point percetnages and pay more attention to total volume level.
Has volume increases, efficiency becomes much more difficult.
You dont build a team without an engine in place so you keep taking chances until you get one.
Wall and Beal were not engines even though we wanted to believe they would hit .50 percent with volume mark.

Think about it like this. 125/300.

All of his 2 point shots should have been taken by an engine that shoots 2pointers above .50 percent.
His numbers show that he could be a 3 point specialist which are a dime a dozen.
You have to convince me that he does something else amazing for me to draft him or he some elite physical attribute that cant be taught.
If i am drafting a player based off of scoring, he needs to have potential to be engine shooting above .50 from 2 point range on volume.

If a guy cant score above .50 from 2 on volume, then he doesnt have engine potential.

[payitforward]

56% TS and 40% from 3 on high volume, just turned 19 in March.

I have some concerns about his ability to break down defenses, get to the rim, draw free throws, and defend, but the shooting/primary option scoring seems legit. The combine numbers, especially the 6’10 wingspan are eye-opening.

Do you think that's a high TS% for an NBA 2 guard? It isn't.

He's also unlikely to get to the line 5 times per 40 minutes, as he did in college.

Still... a 40% 3-pt. % & an 81% FT % are a good foundation.

All the same, not enough for me to want him at 6.

[AFM]

Inefficient volume shooters are a dime a dozen in NBA. Rarely has an inefficient volume shooter transformed into a .50 percent or better volume shooter in the nba. .42 percent on volume is horrible.

Why do you keep disregarding that a 3 is worth more than a 2. Dude shoots 40% from 3 on 7 attempts a game. And they aren't stand in the corner 3s either. Most are Tre creating off the dribble.

135/300 for shots inside the three point line is average to poor for a guy who you tank the season for.b
He shot his 2pointers on volume at .45 percent. That is very mediocre for an engine. It only gets worse against NBA competition. He looks loke another bradley beal mistake. Aim for potential engines with a lottery pick. Tre is not a potential engine. Remember .50 percent on 2 pointers or very close to it. 45 percent is not good. This team has to take a risk and aim for potential engines, not inefficient volume scorers. That is what Tre is.

So according to your own definition, there are what, 4 engines in the league?

SGA
Giannis
Jokic
Durant would qualify with more games
and KAT is close enough to the cut-off

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Who is your pick for player that will have a greater impact for draft position 5 years from now? It would be fair to wait until the end of the next season, but if you really want to be Nostradamus

Neither Fears nor Johnson are worth the hype.

Jase Richardson will be far better than Fears or Tre. He's got the bloodlines and the grit from Michigan State.

Kon Knueppel will be a solid starterstar in 5 years.

Cameron Murray-Boyles will be a tremendous defender.

Rasheer Fleming will be the if the draft.

Nique Clifford is worth a mid first despite his age. I can't see him not being a Derrick White.

Kameron Jones will start early in his career.

Cedric Coward has FUTURE ALL STAR numbers. Relative to where he's mocked he would be a tremendous pick.

There you are: Jase Richardson and Cedric Coward.

I dont understand the dislike of Tre or why so many people have him late lottery or lower. What am I missing? Best volume shooter in the draft. Can hit you off the bounce, or with a stepback, or a sidestep and then relocate, shoot on the move coming of screens/curls/pindowns. The man shoots equally well in all aspects and also excels from mid-range. He can read the floor and make correct decisions so he's capable of setting up others. The 6-11 1/2 wingspan tells you he can at least be a passable defender. 4th best player in the draft to me.

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[dobrojim]

Watching a couple different wizards draft videos and
I'm wondering who else thinks they are typically not
emphasizing time line enough. Maybe this is another
fit vs BPA situation but I really don't think they can
afford to give up their own 2026 FRP. If 2 otherwise
equal talents are there, the zards ought to bias their
choice towards the one who might be less ready to
contribute next year as long as the longer term promise
is there.

Also many of these videos are not emphasizing defense
enough. That's why I think they take Maluach over
Queen.

Finally, they are not giving enough consideration to
foreign players like Traore or Essengue (for us). I
watched one where Essengue wasn't mentioned.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Who is your pick for player that will have a greater impact for draft position 5 years from now? It would be fair to wait until the end of the next season, but if you really want to be Nostradamus

Neither Fears nor Johnson are worth the hype.

Jase Richardson will be far better than Fears or Tre. He's got the bloodlines and the grit from Michigan State.

Kon Knueppel will be a solid starterstar in 5 years.

Cameron Murray-Boyles will be a tremendous defender.

Rasheer Fleming will be the if the draft.

Nique Clifford is worth a mid first despite his age. I can't see him not being a Derrick White.

Kameron Jones will start early in his career.

Cedric Coward has FUTURE ALL STAR numbers. Relative to where he's mocked he would be a tremendous pick.

There you are: Jase Richardson and Cedric Coward.

Noted and you are on the record.

I am going to disagree about Fears. One of the most underrated things about Fears is that unlike Jase, Fears can dribble well with either hand at 18 years old, he is going to get much much better, I believe he has star potential.

I did, too, no more than a week ago. Fears stands out on tape, and he carried OU. You could be right about Fears. (I flipped to Richardson)

I'm varying like the wind this draft.

I loved Queen to death, only to be thoroughly dissuaded. Now, i think Sorber or Maluach are better. HOWEVER, my first impression is usually right. Now, I feel uneasy.