Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[Hal14]

I won't go into the gory details, but I think you could turn Jrue, KP and Hauser into just Rui and Knecht and reset the tax. Maybe gain a 2nd or 2, maybe not.

Sign pick 28 to 120% scale.
Sign Kornet* for 3 years starting at $5M.

You have $2.6M left for roster spot 14. Fill it with 32, existing 2-way or vet min, etc

Pritchard, White, Brown, Rui, Kornet
JD, Sheierman, Knecht, Walsh, Queta
Tillman, 28, <spot 14>
x=> Tatum

You duck the tax.
Starting lineup is good, not great. Bench is YOUNG (experience wise, not age necessarily) but some talent there.
Get growth from hopefully 2-3 of the young guys, some more moves / our own pick next summer and you're in good shape for 26-27 with Tatum.


* Note: If Al wants back, split $7.6M between him and Kornet somehow.

Spoiler:

Gory details if you don't wanna be spared: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2462080&p=118851406#p118851406

Interesting.

I don't hate it.

Bottom line is we duck the tax..we add 2 solid pieces (Rui, Knecht) and we set ourselves up to still be contenders in 26-27 when tatum is healthy..as long as we have Tatum/Brown/White and a few solid role players around them, we're contenders.

Only downside is this makes the Lakers *really* good with a starting lineup of Jrue/Luka/Reaves/LeBron/KP and DFS off the bench. They might win it all in 2026. But LeBron is getting so old and KP can't stay healthy, Jrue is getting so old that by the time our title window is opening back up with a healthy Tatum, they wouldn't really be contenders anymore..they'd be basically going all in for a 1 year shot at a title in 2026.

[djFan71]

I won't go into the gory details, but I think you could turn Jrue, KP and Hauser into just Rui and Knecht and reset the tax. Maybe gain a 2nd or 2, maybe not.

Sign pick 28 to 120% scale.
Sign Kornet* for 3 years starting at $5M.

You have $2.6M left for roster spot 14. Fill it with 32, existing 2-way or vet min, etc

Pritchard, White, Brown, Rui, Kornet
JD, Sheierman, Knecht, Walsh, Queta
Tillman, 28, <spot 14>
x=> Tatum

You duck the tax.
Starting lineup is good, not great. Bench is YOUNG (experience wise, not age necessarily) but some talent there.
Get growth from hopefully 2-3 of the young guys, some more moves / our own pick next summer and you're in good shape for 26-27 with Tatum.


* Note: If Al wants back, split $7.6M between him and Kornet somehow.

Spoiler:

Gory details if you don't wanna be spared: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2462080&p=118851406#p118851406

Interesting.

I don't hate it.

Bottom line is we duck the tax..we add 2 solid pieces (Rui, Knecht) and we set ourselves up to still be contenders in 26-27 when tatum is healthy..as long as we have Tatum/Brown/White and a few solid role players around them, we're contenders.

Only downside is this makes the Lakers *really* good with a starting lineup of Jrue/Luka/Reaves/LeBron/KP and DFS off the bench. They might win it all in 2026. But LeBron is getting so old and KP can't stay healthy, Jrue is getting so old that by the time our title window is opening back up with a healthy Tatum, they wouldn't really be contenders anymore..they'd be basically going all in for a 1 year shot at a title in 2026.

It’s multiple multi team trades. Lakers get Gafford and Caleb Martin, which still helps them quite a but, just not healthy Jrue/KP kevel.

[redslastlaugh]

Revisiting a Jrue trade idea with the Kings. I think DeRozan is an Anti-Mazulla player but his contract is a yr shorter and two year $24.6 and $25.7 million. I don't think Brad would want DeRozan but he moves it forward on the cost cutting, and maybe he won't even outlast the trade deadline on the C's roster.
I do think Brad would have interest in sparkplug shooting guard Keon Ellis who shot over 40% from 3 last year. I think the Kings really like him, but they're going to have to extend him and I dunno, they might see Jrue as such an intangible upgrade over Derozan that it's worth giving up Ellis. Sacramento doesn't have a 1st this year and picks #42 in the second round. Sacramento owns their own 2nd round pick and the Charlotte Hornets 2nd round picks in both 2026 and 2027 drafts.

For Brad the trade will look like
Celts trade Jrue Holiday, #28, & #32
Kings trade DeMar DeRozan, Keon Ellis #42 in 2025 draft and the best of SAC/CHO 2nd round pick in 2026 & the best of SAC/CHO 2nd round pick in 2027

Celts then look to extend Ellis at 4/$44 and he becomes the long term piece and we add to 2nd rounders (likely 30s) in the next two drafts. We also trade back to #42 where Brad can select whoever for the G.

[Hal14]

I won't go into the gory details, but I think you could turn Jrue, KP and Hauser into just Rui and Knecht and reset the tax. Maybe gain a 2nd or 2, maybe not.

Sign pick 28 to 120% scale.
Sign Kornet* for 3 years starting at $5M.

You have $2.6M left for roster spot 14. Fill it with 32, existing 2-way or vet min, etc

Pritchard, White, Brown, Rui, Kornet
JD, Sheierman, Knecht, Walsh, Queta
Tillman, 28, <spot 14>
x=> Tatum

You duck the tax.
Starting lineup is good, not great. Bench is YOUNG (experience wise, not age necessarily) but some talent there.
Get growth from hopefully 2-3 of the young guys, some more moves / our own pick next summer and you're in good shape for 26-27 with Tatum.


* Note: If Al wants back, split $7.6M between him and Kornet somehow.

Spoiler:

Gory details if you don't wanna be spared: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2462080&p=118851406#p118851406

Interesting.

I don't hate it.

Bottom line is we duck the tax..we add 2 solid pieces (Rui, Knecht) and we set ourselves up to still be contenders in 26-27 when tatum is healthy..as long as we have Tatum/Brown/White and a few solid role players around them, we're contenders.

Only downside is this makes the Lakers *really* good with a starting lineup of Jrue/Luka/Reaves/LeBron/KP and DFS off the bench. They might win it all in 2026. But LeBron is getting so old and KP can't stay healthy, Jrue is getting so old that by the time our title window is opening back up with a healthy Tatum, they wouldn't really be contenders anymore..they'd be basically going all in for a 1 year shot at a title in 2026.

It’s multiple multi team trades. Lakers get Gafford and Caleb Martin, which still helps them quite a but, just not healthy Jrue/KP kevel.

Oh ok, even better then.

Knecht could end up being a nice Hauser replacement..if he can buy in on the defensive end up improve there like Hauser did. Knecht is more athletic and has more upside as a driver too..

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Interesting.

I don't hate it.

Bottom line is we duck the tax..we add 2 solid pieces (Rui, Knecht) and we set ourselves up to still be contenders in 26-27 when tatum is healthy..as long as we have Tatum/Brown/White and a few solid role players around them, we're contenders.

Only downside is this makes the Lakers *really* good with a starting lineup of Jrue/Luka/Reaves/LeBron/KP and DFS off the bench. They might win it all in 2026. But LeBron is getting so old and KP can't stay healthy, Jrue is getting so old that by the time our title window is opening back up with a healthy Tatum, they wouldn't really be contenders anymore..they'd be basically going all in for a 1 year shot at a title in 2026.

It’s multiple multi team trades. Lakers get Gafford and Caleb Martin, which still helps them quite a but, just not healthy Jrue/KP kevel.

Oh ok, even better then.

Knecht could end up being a nice Hauser replacement..if he can buy in on the defensive end up improve there like Hauser did. Knecht is more athletic and has more upside as a driver too..

Yeah, I was wondering if there was too much overlap with Baylor, but it's probably fine, and even if not you can't solve everything all at once.

If we are willing to pay some tax, the original moves have us getting Niang and Naji Marshall. But then turning around and sending them and Hauser to MLE teams for 2nds. So, you could keep one or 2 of them. If you have Al too, that's actually a really strong team:

Pritchard, White, Brown, Horford, Kornet
Sheierman, Knecht, (Hauser or Marhsall), Rui, Queta
JD, Tillman, Walsh
x=> Tatum

It's still under the aprons, but over the tax. If you keep Marshall ($1M cheaper than Sam) and trade 28 (and probably 32 since they won't 2-way), you can split $10M between Al and Kornet and be just under the 1st apron. If Tatum surprises and is ready for the '26 playoffs, you could actually still contend next year, imo. Even if he's a little rusty.

Or dump JD, Tillman or Walsh and keep the picks, give Al or Luke less, or go over the 1st but not the 2nd, etc.

[celtxman]

There is much talk about the Celtics approach to who will be their centers. It seems like the most sure thing is keeping Queta. That shows how unsettled everything is.
A couple of thoughts : I think the Celtics move on from Porzingis. It seems like most everybody wants him gone, with few legitimate plans to replace him. I don't personally love Mark Williams. We moved on from Robert Williams because of injuries. It appears we will move on from Porzingis because of unavailability in the playoffs. It doesn't appear to be a fit to get another center with injury issues with Mark Williams.
So the if the Celtics are fortunate enough to hold on to Kornet and Horford, then they are still
obviously behind with no KP. And the cherry on the cake would be Horford going to NY as Tim Bontemps floated out there.
It still feels like Holiday and KP out. One of there salaries mostly for expiring contracts ( probably Jrue) to get under the 2nd apron, the other to get back smart assets. Unless they go big with Brown.

It's not that Queta is the most sure thing, it's that Queta is the only one under contract other than Porzingis.

Exactly. This will be a crazy end of the month that I hope can net Sabonis. Not likely but I can dream

[celtxman]

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[celtxman]

I will still be surprised if we don't have to attach a pick to get off of Jrue's contract.

I would have thought that too. But there is always supply and demand. Chad Finch recently said there may be 12-13 teams just in the West that will really be trying to build towards a championship. The salary cap is going up $15 million to $170M and the aprons are going up $20 million. Then another $17 million projected to get to $187M in 2027/28.
If you add Holiday to the right team (Detroit?) and you have three or four teams interested ( as suggested by both Marc Stein and Jay King, and you have something. We have to get rid of salary and Jrue's salary taking little to nothing back in salary and maybe RECEIVING a draft pick. Or taking back some money in a young player

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[Bill Lumbergh]

I will still be surprised if we don't have to attach a pick to get off of Jrue's contract.

I would have thought that too. But there is always supply and demand. Chad Finch recently said there may be 12-13 teams just in the West that will really be trying to build towards a championship. The salary cap is going up $15 million to $170M and the aprons are going up $20 million. Then another $17 million projected to get to $187M in 2027/28.
If you add Holiday to the right team (Detroit?) and you have three or four teams interested ( as suggested by both Marc Stein and Jay King, and you have something. We have to get rid of salary and Jrue's salary taking little to nothing back in salary and maybe RECEIVING a draft pick. Or taking back some money in a young player

I will be happy if I end up being wrong. It'll be better for our future if it turns out like you think it will.

[165bows]

I will still be surprised if we don't have to attach a pick to get off of Jrue's contract.

I would have thought that too. But there is always supply and demand. Chad Finch recently said there may be 12-13 teams just in the West that will really be trying to build towards a championship. The salary cap is going up $15 million to $170M and the aprons are going up $20 million. Then another $17 million projected to get to $187M in 2027/28.
If you add Holiday to the right team (Detroit?) and you have three or four teams interested ( as suggested by both Marc Stein and Jay King, and you have something. We have to get rid of salary and Jrue's salary taking little to nothing back in salary and maybe RECEIVING a draft pick. Or taking back some money in a young player

I will be happy if I end up being wrong. It'll be better for our future if it turns out like you think it will.

Brad attached a pick to dump Kemba but was secretly bringing in a key piece of the next title team.

I think he’ll do all right.

[brackdan70]

Revisiting a Jrue trade idea with the Kings. I think DeRozan is an Anti-Mazulla player but his contract is a yr shorter and two year $24.6 and $25.7 million. I don't think Brad would want DeRozan but he moves it forward on the cost cutting, and maybe he won't even outlast the trade deadline on the C's roster.
I do think Brad would have interest in sparkplug shooting guard Keon Ellis who shot over 40% from 3 last year. I think the Kings really like him, but they're going to have to extend him and I dunno, they might see Jrue as such an intangible upgrade over Derozan that it's worth giving up Ellis. Sacramento doesn't have a 1st this year and picks #42 in the second round. Sacramento owns their own 2nd round pick and the Charlotte Hornets 2nd round picks in both 2026 and 2027 drafts.

For Brad the trade will look like
Celts trade Jrue Holiday, #28, & #32
Kings trade DeMar DeRozan, Keon Ellis #42 in 2025 draft and the best of SAC/CHO 2nd round pick in 2026 & the best of SAC/CHO 2nd round pick in 2027

Celts then look to extend Ellis at 4/$44 and he becomes the long term piece and we add to 2nd rounders (likely 30s) in the next two drafts. We also trade back to #42 where Brad can select whoever for the G.

sac fans come unglued if you mention Keon Ellis in a package.

[Hal14]

I would have thought that too. But there is always supply and demand. Chad Finch recently said there may be 12-13 teams just in the West that will really be trying to build towards a championship. The salary cap is going up $15 million to $170M and the aprons are going up $20 million. Then another $17 million projected to get to $187M in 2027/28.
If you add Holiday to the right team (Detroit?) and you have three or four teams interested ( as suggested by both Marc Stein and Jay King, and you have something. We have to get rid of salary and Jrue's salary taking little to nothing back in salary and maybe RECEIVING a draft pick. Or taking back some money in a young player

I will be happy if I end up being wrong. It'll be better for our future if it turns out like you think it will.

Brad attached a pick to dump Kemba but was secretly bringing in a key piece of the next title team.

I think he’ll do all right.

Yup..and when he dumped Gallinari, he scooped up Porzingis in the deal.

When he dumped Brogdon and Time Lord, he scooped up Jrue.

When he dumped Romeo, he got D-white..

Very interested to see what he pulls off this summer.

[Celts17Pride]

Trade of the day:

Boston: Sheppard, Whitmore, Clowney
Phoenix: C Johnson, Porzingis
Houston: Durant, Jalen Wilson, #28 pick
Brooklyn: Jalen Green, Landale

Celtics cut $13.1 million. Get 3 young players.

Trade machine is fun and has nothing to do with real life.

[Curmudgeon]

Kemba was washed and everyone knew it. Jrue isn't.

[djFan71]

Trade of the day:

Boston: Sheppard, Whitmore, Clowney
Phoenix: C Johnson, Porzingis
Houston: Durant, Jalen Wilson, #28 pick
Brooklyn: Jalen Green, Landale

Celtics cut $13.1 million. Get 3 young players.

Trade machine is fun and has nothing to do with real life.

Nets fans will nit care for that one. Green is seems as negative/ at best neutral so they’d want picks. Whether they’re correct…. Shrug.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Trade of the day:

Boston: Sheppard, Whitmore, Clowney
Phoenix: C Johnson, Porzingis
Houston: Durant, Jalen Wilson, #28 pick
Brooklyn: Jalen Green, Landale

Celtics cut $13.1 million. Get 3 young players.

Trade machine is fun and has nothing to do with real life.

I hear Brad is just waiting for the finals to finish to execute this trade.



SGA / JD
White / Thompson
Tatum / Scheierman
Wemby / Horford
Jokic / Kornet

[Bill Lumbergh]

I would have thought that too. But there is always supply and demand. Chad Finch recently said there may be 12-13 teams just in the West that will really be trying to build towards a championship. The salary cap is going up $15 million to $170M and the aprons are going up $20 million. Then another $17 million projected to get to $187M in 2027/28.
If you add Holiday to the right team (Detroit?) and you have three or four teams interested ( as suggested by both Marc Stein and Jay King, and you have something. We have to get rid of salary and Jrue's salary taking little to nothing back in salary and maybe RECEIVING a draft pick. Or taking back some money in a young player

I will be happy if I end up being wrong. It'll be better for our future if it turns out like you think it will.

Brad attached a pick to dump Kemba but was secretly bringing in a key piece of the next title team.

I think he’ll do all right.

Brad's great at what he does. Really looking forward to the action kicking off. It's damn near as fun as the games themselves. I love all the trade speculation.

[NotAKnicksFan]

Ok here is my final realistic trade ideas

Jaylen brown + #28 to spurs for vassell + keldon + #2 picn and future first pick


Porzingis + hauser + keldon + Pritchard , #2 + future first round pick for giannis and bobby portis .

Jrue - Davidson
White - vassell - baylor
Tatum - vassel - walsh
Giannis -
Portis - kornet -

Imo tatum is back next year by feb-march

I want to compete the next 5 years not go with young projects

[Celts17Pride]

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