Breaking: Tom Fired

[mpharris36]

Hold up the new coach is going to be forced to have Rick on his staff....


Knicks are never beating the ridiculous allegations

we knew shenanigans are going on with CAA invovled. We have just been ok with it since Leon has been here he has won. And it helped us get Brunson.

Winning trumps all.

I question how this is going to impact the coaching search. Its a great job, loaded with talent, but having to deal with the star players dad on the staff is absurd. And might have a real negative impact on the search and the eventually the 'winning'

Its probably going to be Kidd (if he's let out of his deal) or Bryant both who have connections with the org and brunson.

They are probably two of the best candidates out there anyways so its not like we are compromising.

[Guano]

we knew shenanigans are going on with CAA invovled. We have just been ok with it since Leon has been here he has won. And it helped us get Brunson.

Winning trumps all.

I question how this is going to impact the coaching search. Its a great job, loaded with talent, but having to deal with the star players dad on the staff is absurd. And might have a real negative impact on the search and the eventually the 'winning'

Its probably going to be Kidd (if he's let out of his deal) or Bryant both who have connections with the org and brunson.

They are probably two of the best candidates out there anyways so its not like we are compromising.

You were right when you said winning is all that matters. So if it doesnt negatively impact that im cool with nepotism.

[KnixinSix]

Suns were always picking the Michigan State guy since Ishbia is an alum, that owner doesn't have their priorities in order. This guy let the person who thought it was a good idea to put Marbury and Francis in the same back court together convince him that getting Beal would be the big 3 that got them to a title. Sheesh.

I don't have to explain to this forum who this 'legendary basketball mind' that also had a renowned professional pro career in Michigan is. Destroyed the Knicks for a decade worth of time with his shenanigans extending beyond his actual employ in NY.

Hopefully, Rose doesn't screw this up and just gets Bryant. It's fine if he wants to give the respectful nod towards Kidd since Brunson probably loves him so much but at the end of the day we know who is the right pick for this team at this moment. No way Rose really coughs up assets to get him, considering the dearth of them now.

Winning championships is about mitigating risk too.

Look at Philly they had 2 Super injury prone aging stars in George and Embiid. They lost that very risky bet. Phx with Bradley Beal.

Hiring a coach comes with all kind of risk too. A first time NBA coach is ALWAYS a level of risk. It doesn't matter how well they did as an assistant or if they coached in College.

Bryant could absolutely turn out great but he could easily bomb too because he is an entire unknown as a HC. Also rookie HCs sometimes have a learning curve too. You absolutely have guys that light it up and others who are Steve Nash.

Kidd comes with 10 years NBA coaching experience. He just took a team with a defensively challenged PG and defensively challenged front court player to the finals. He is a much much more known quantity. He has strong connections with Brunson. He has played and coached in NJ/NY.

I like the spectre and potential of Bryant no doubt but it is also a much higher risk than the proven resume of Kidd.

Give me Kidd all day. However, If its Bryant, I'll be crossing my fingers we hit the jackpot.

[Context]

we knew shenanigans are going on with CAA invovled. We have just been ok with it since Leon has been here he has won. And it helped us get Brunson.

Winning trumps all.

I question how this is going to impact the coaching search. Its a great job, loaded with talent, but having to deal with the star players dad on the staff is absurd. And might have a real negative impact on the search and the eventually the 'winning'

Its probably going to be Kidd (if he's let out of his deal) or Bryant both who have connections with the org and brunson.

They are probably two of the best candidates out there anyways so its not like we are compromising.

Yeah, I want Bryant but I don’t think Kidd hurts us if ultimately it’s him.

[mpharris36]

I question how this is going to impact the coaching search. Its a great job, loaded with talent, but having to deal with the star players dad on the staff is absurd. And might have a real negative impact on the search and the eventually the 'winning'

Its probably going to be Kidd (if he's let out of his deal) or Bryant both who have connections with the org and brunson.

They are probably two of the best candidates out there anyways so its not like we are compromising.

Yeah, I want Bryant but I don’t think Kidd hurts us if ultimately it’s him.

I would prefer Bryant as well (don't really have anything substantial to go other than I think he will be hungry as **** to prove himself).

Brunson respects the **** out of Kidd and he's a great communicator but I don't know if he runs as modern of a system as I would hope. Certainly he more adaptable than Thibs and he's made a finals recently.

[Enzo954]

Between Kidd and Bryant you take Kidd 99 times out of 100. Proven young coach with a great track record over Bryant who has zero experience as a head coach. I'll take either but if there's an option you go with Kidd.

[CyKnickal]

The man is 67, he needs to relax and enjoy that 30 mill

I was thinking wow, $30 million was a lot for Dolan to be ok giving away. Then I read PHX owes Coach Bud $40million now

Something tells me Thibs will coach one more NBA team before finally calling it quits. One more floor raise for one more lucky team. Maybe Charlotte or Washington or New Orleans hands him the keys? Once a team gets tired of the long tank journey, they should hire Thibs like we did and give him some decent talent to work his magic.

The only reason he still had a job was because CAA took over the Knicks to rebuild their brand, team, organization. They needed a coach who could come here and be steady, and it just so happened that Thibs is a CAA client who was toiling around in Golden State, trying to learn something about the modern game, trying to get another job. He couldn't.

There are stories of him going in for interviews and running a practice for GMs. His practices and scrimmage were ancient, he didn't pass the interviews, he was sitting at home not getting a chance from anybody when Leon called. His time on the Wolves was a disaster, and everybody at the time said that was it for Thibs. Then CAA arrived at MSG. One thing they knew was he can get players to play hard, especially scrubs, who we had a roster full of....if he could come in, make them play hard and be competitive, Knicks fans would be sold because that's what we love, overachieving teams....and compared to what we dealt with for the last 20 years, it was a breath of fresh air and we bought in. He is a major reason why we fixed our circus clown reputation, no doubt about it.

I was thinking about what Dollabills said, about feeling empathy for him. After all the joking and laughing....it did bother me that a dude who knows nothing but basketball, lives and breathes this, doesn't have a family, lives with his mom and takes care of her......I felt bad man. Dollabills was talking about someone losing their passion....mine are just my hobbies, I realized how much it would suck if it was my livelihood. I like the guy, it's just that I don't understand how he would rather be fired than adapt. You can't tell me the front office doesn't tell him what everybody sees.....he just....doesn't want to do it, I guess.

I really wished he would have adapted and stayed here. I was so excited when we got him because I knew we were going to play hard every night, and with his stint at Golden State, I really believed he unlocked some new things that he would implement here. Without the talent, he had a long leash to do things his way, but after loading up the team with more, he coached the same way.

The survey about him being the coach players would least like playing for is an indictment on him. What team will sign him now knowing that everything about his reputation is true....they're just going to sign and pay players that don't play? Would good role players want to join him knowing they won't get any burn?

I doubt he will get another gig somewhere, unless he modernizes that practice/scrimmage in his next interview. But I wish all the luck to him....go off gently into the night, old man.

Now where's Johnnie?

[NiceLikeChrist]

Someone will have to fill me in on the Kidd infatuation and how he’s proven himself to be a great coach. I haven’t followed his coaching career.

[WargamesX]

I was thinking wow, $30 million was a lot for Dolan to be ok giving away. Then I read PHX owes Coach Bud $40million now

Something tells me Thibs will coach one more NBA team before finally calling it quits. One more floor raise for one more lucky team. Maybe Charlotte or Washington or New Orleans hands him the keys? Once a team gets tired of the long tank journey, they should hire Thibs like we did and give him some decent talent to work his magic.

The only reason he still had a job was because CAA took over the Knicks to rebuild their brand, team, organization. They needed a coach who could come here and be steady, and it just so happened that Thibs is a CAA client who was toiling around in Golden State, trying to learn something about the modern game, trying to get another job. He couldn't.

There are stories of him going in for interviews and running a practice for GMs. His practices and scrimmage were ancient, he didn't pass the interviews, he was sitting at home not getting a chance from anybody when Leon called. His time on the Wolves was a disaster, and everybody at the time said that was it for Thibs. Then CAA arrived at MSG. One thing they knew was he can get players to play hard, especially scrubs, who we had a roster full of....if he could come in, make them play hard and be competitive, Knicks fans would be sold because that's what we love, underachieving teams....and compared to what we dealt with for the last 20 years, it was a breath of fresh air and we bought in. He is a major reason why we fixed our circus clown reputation, no doubt about it.

I was thinking about what Dollabills said, about feeling empathy for him. After all the joking and laughing....it did bother me that a dude who knows nothing but basketball, lives and breathes this, doesn't have a family, lives with his mom and takes care of her......I felt bad man. Dollabills was talking about someone losing their passion....mine are just my hobbies, I realized how much it would suck if it was my livelihood. I like the guy, it's just that I don't understand how he would rather be fired than adapt. You can't tell me the front office doesn't tell him what everybody sees.....he just....doesn't want to do it, I guess.

I really wished he would have adapted and stayed here. I was so excited when we got him because I knew we were going to play hard every night, and with his stint at Golden State, I really believed he unlocked some new things that he would implement here. Without the talent, he had a long leash to do things his way, but after loading up the team with more, he coached the same way.

The survey about him being the coach players would least like playing for is an indictment on him. What team will sign him now knowing that everything about his reputation is true....they're just going to sign and pay players that don't play? Would good role players want to join him knowing they won't get any burn?

I doubt he will get another gig somewhere, unless he modernizes that practice/scrimmage in his next interview. But I wish all the luck to him....go off gently into the night, old man.

Now where's Johnnie?

Yeah I have to agree. Thibs is 67 years old…. I could see him retiring and taking that money and enjoying the rest of his life. At 67 even if he gets a 3 year gig he’ll be 70 and every dollar he earns is going to be subtracted from the $30 mil he would get from the Knicks not to coach.

Plus the odds he’ll get a team good enough to get to the ECF again let alone to the Finals or winning a championship are slim.

What’s the point.

[Context]

First 7 minutes he covers Bryant:
Mannnnn...I hope we get Bryant.

Watch on YouTube

[NiceLikeChrist]

Also, it’s funny that the thibs defenders are still in here trying to blame the roster for everything and saying he overachieved. We were the favorites against Indiana last year and we should’ve beaten them. We were the favorites against Indiana this year and we should’ve won in 5 games max. We should’ve swept Detroit.

Former players all agree if you swapped coaches the Knicks win the series handily. So why is anyone complaining about the roster?

Do we have the best bench in the league, no. Do we need it? Also no. Because our top 1-4 competes with any other teams 1-4 if used correctly. In fact our top 1-4 overshadows 99% of other teams.

The fact that our starting lineup SHOULD be one of the best starting lineups in the league yet it was a net negative all year long because thibs is too stubborn to bench hart and insists on playing him 37 mins a night should be enough for thibs glazers to see the light.

[CyKnickal]

Man this team is stupid as ****. Thibs has done nothing but overachieve and now he's gone and the guy we want to replace him with mostly is Mike Malone who's a poor man's Thibs.

Basically everyone on the team besides Mikal has had their career year under Thibs, and even in the case of Mikal he was better than last season. Minnesota was at the top of the lottery shortly after dropping Thibs, Chicago been on the treadmill since dropping Thibs, I hope y'all ready for another drought now that he's gone.

How did he overachieve?? The Knicks got progressively better every year he's been here. The front office needs to get credit for that.

We didn't get better THIS year and we went further because we were healthier, but I said before the season we got worse, and we gave up all our assets to do it, and now Thibs is getting axed for not benching the guys we gave up so much for.

Every year we added better pieces, but we are acting like he took the same team from year one to the ECF. It would make sense if he improved the same roster, the same players making annual jumps in development and team wins...that didn't happen...we gave him shiny new pieces.

And still we won just one more game than last year, a year where we didn't have our All Star forward for half of it, finished the season with strained hamstrings, abdominal muscles, broken hands and dislocated shoulders....and we took the same team to 7 games. Now, was that blue collar team a better fit for Thibs style of coaching.....take shot, miss shot, get rebound, take another shot.....definitely yes, but you can't tell me this year's team didn't have more potential if Thibs tinkered with a few things.

If you believe getting Bridges and Kat, about 50 PPG combined on great efficiency, wasn't an improvement, that last year's team was better than this one and it was just health that got us this far, then I respect your opinion and I rest my case, no need to debate further.

[WaltFrazier]

First 7 minutes he covers Bryant:
Mannnnn...I hope we get Bryant.

Watch on YouTube

As a bonus, great bunch of highlights playing in the background. From earlier in the season when our legs were fresh and the offense humming.

And yes he makes a good case for Bryant

[Context]

First 7 minutes he covers Bryant:
Mannnnn...I hope we get Bryant.

Watch on YouTube

As a bonus, great bunch of highlights playing in the background. From earlier in the season when our legs were fresh and the offense humming.

And yes he makes a good case for Bryant

I'm glad I watched almost 82 games. I do remember when we were humming. Thibs really wore everyone down....

[NiceLikeChrist]

Watch on YouTube

[Context]

Watch on YouTube

great video! Bring me Bryant

[bonita_the_frog]

Imagine how much seduction Thibs will have now he'll be able to have any other job in the entire NBA !! imagine being his wife or daughter now!

what in the world

Imagine if your father was the hottest property in the NBA and if 20 or more teams wanted to sign him i cannot imagine anything more exciting for a partner or daughter/son!

[NoStatsGuy]

I was thinking wow, $30 million was a lot for Dolan to be ok giving away. Then I read PHX owes Coach Bud $40million now

Something tells me Thibs will coach one more NBA team before finally calling it quits. One more floor raise for one more lucky team. Maybe Charlotte or Washington or New Orleans hands him the keys? Once a team gets tired of the long tank journey, they should hire Thibs like we did and give him some decent talent to work his magic.

The only reason he still had a job was because CAA took over the Knicks to rebuild their brand, team, organization. They needed a coach who could come here and be steady, and it just so happened that Thibs is a CAA client who was toiling around in Golden State, trying to learn something about the modern game, trying to get another job. He couldn't.

There are stories of him going in for interviews and running a practice for GMs. His practices and scrimmage were ancient, he didn't pass the interviews, he was sitting at home not getting a chance from anybody when Leon called. His time on the Wolves was a disaster, and everybody at the time said that was it for Thibs. Then CAA arrived at MSG. One thing they knew was he can get players to play hard, especially scrubs, who we had a roster full of....if he could come in, make them play hard and be competitive, Knicks fans would be sold because that's what we love, overachieving teams....and compared to what we dealt with for the last 20 years, it was a breath of fresh air and we bought in. He is a major reason why we fixed our circus clown reputation, no doubt about it.

I was thinking about what Dollabills said, about feeling empathy for him. After all the joking and laughing....it did bother me that a dude who knows nothing but basketball, lives and breathes this, doesn't have a family, lives with his mom and takes care of her......I felt bad man. Dollabills was talking about someone losing their passion....mine are just my hobbies, I realized how much it would suck if it was my livelihood. I like the guy, it's just that I don't understand how he would rather be fired than adapt. You can't tell me the front office doesn't tell him what everybody sees.....he just....doesn't want to do it, I guess.

I really wished he would have adapted and stayed here. I was so excited when we got him because I knew we were going to play hard every night, and with his stint at Golden State, I really believed he unlocked some new things that he would implement here. Without the talent, he had a long leash to do things his way, but after loading up the team with more, he coached the same way.

The survey about him being the coach players would least like playing for is an indictment on him. What team will sign him now knowing that everything about his reputation is true....they're just going to sign and pay players that don't play? Would good role players want to join him knowing they won't get any burn?

I doubt he will get another gig somewhere, unless he modernizes that practice/scrimmage in his next interview. But I wish all the luck to him....go off gently into the night, old man.

Now where's Johnnie?

pretty much this. i have that idea, that we gonna have an all time knick legend in the making. one of the guys that stays with a franchise for a while. you know.. like spo, pop, etc. thats my perfect scenario. And i really hoped he would implement stuff he saw with the warriors or team USA (i think he was assistant there for one of the tourneys). unfortunately he didnt. and im kinda sad about it. because i want a coach that is obsessed like thibs. but as soon as the players are out, coach needs to go. thats just what it has to be. and seemingly lots of players were out on thibs.

cant always have what we want. hope the next guy gets it done. im not sure who i actually prefer and i relly dont care too much, as long as he unlocks the offense and figures out what to do on defense to not get exposed.

[god shammgod]

Imagine how much seduction Thibs will have now he'll be able to have any other job in the entire NBA !! imagine being his wife or daughter now!

what in the world

[stuporman]

Suns were always picking the Michigan State guy since Ishbia is an alum, that owner doesn't have their priorities in order. This guy let the person who thought it was a good idea to put Marbury and Francis in the same back court together convince him that getting Beal would be the big 3 that got them to a title. Sheesh.

I don't have to explain to this forum who this 'legendary basketball mind' that also had a renowned professional pro career in Michigan is. Destroyed the Knicks for a decade worth of time with his shenanigans extending beyond his actual employ in NY.

Hopefully, Rose doesn't screw this up and just gets Bryant. It's fine if he wants to give the respectful nod towards Kidd since Brunson probably loves him so much but at the end of the day we know who is the right pick for this team at this moment. No way Rose really coughs up assets to get him, considering the dearth of them now.

Winning championships is about mitigating risk too.

Look at Philly they had 2 Super injury prone aging stars in George and Embiid. They lost that very risky bet. Phx with Bradley Beal.

Hiring a coach comes with all kind of risk too. A first time NBA coach is ALWAYS a level of risk. It doesn't matter how well they did as an assistant or if they coached in College.

Bryant could absolutely turn out great but he could easily bomb too because he is an entire unknown as a HC. Also rookie HCs sometimes have a learning curve too. You absolutely have guys that light it up and others who are Steve Nash.

Kidd comes with 10 years NBA coaching experience. He just took a team with a defensively challenged PG and defensively challenged front court player to the finals. He is a much much more known quantity. He has strong connections with Brunson. He has played and coached in NJ/NY.

I like the spectre and potential of Bryant no doubt but it is also a much higher risk than the proven resume of Kidd.

Give me Kidd all day. However, If its Bryant, I'll be crossing my fingers we hit the jackpot.

I was just assessing what I think is going on.

You know what else would be involved with Kidd? Giving up assets to get him for a franchise that now is bereft of them. Lots of baggage that comes with bringing in a personality like Kidd into an intense media spotlight, a ton of expectations and potential lockerroom issues with cliques if we are already hearing about this stuff with the recent experience.

I don't know who would be better, Bryant could be all flash and no substance or he could be the next new young genius coach. Kidd could be the headcase retread that crashes and burns the whole team or he could be the perfect seasoned coach who helps guide the the Knicks to a title and cements himself as a legend around the league and the city.

Which is it? Who knows at this point, it would be pure conjecture. It just seems to me like getting Bryant is a cleaner process, something about Kidd also concerns me.