2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[RexBoyWonder]

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We’re climbing back to the top 20 next year, this is disgraceful

One of the highest paid rosters in the league too. This squad has got to be the worst production per dollar teams in the NBA. The Heat attitude has become one of hubris. They need to clean house in management and get back that pick up by the boot strap and get to work hunger.

Both Bam and Herro are realisitcally slightly overpaid, but that's not what's killing us.

What's killing is Wiggins + Duncan + Rozier + Anderson making around 85Mil$ instead of 15 Mil combined.

[oreon]

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We’re climbing back to the top 20 next year, this is disgraceful

One of the highest paid rosters in the league too. This squad has got to be the worst production per dollar teams in the NBA. The Heat attitude has become one of hubris. They need to clean house in management and get back that pick up by the boot strap and get to work hunger.

Both Bam and Herro are realisitcally slightly overpaid, but that's not what's killing us.

What's killing is Wiggins + Duncan + Rozier + Anderson making around 85Mil$ instead of 15 Mil combined.

Cuz their extension haven't kicked in. Bam kicks in after next season, after which they both will make a combined 80 mil, more than half the cap. If Herro gets his extension, the next season they both will make a 100 mill combined. More than 60 % of the cap

With the new CBA rules, if you want decent depth and you can only do max salaries. So it has to be guys who are all nba. We can't have 2 max guys making 50 and we still need a no 1 and no 2 option. That's why I pro rebuild. I don't see the point of paying these guys 2 much and we all pretty much agree neither is a no 1 or no 2 option. And we all harp on Herro, and rightly so because he's way way more egregious. But same applies to Bam, especially when we are watching what Siakam is doing.

[Beenie]

Durant is not interested in Miami. this is from a “source” who’s a pro athlete trainer/coach down here that i grew up with & made connections with the Wades & LBJ from Gulliver Prep. let me know LBJ was leaving & that Wade was prepping for “Last Dance” when he still had not announced if he was coming back for 1 last szn. hes not very plugged in at all but he gets a couple interesting pieces from Heat guys every now and then. I’ve posted about him a couple times over the years but just grain of salt.. i think it’s interesting he told me over the weekend and this week it’s been nonstop momentum for other teams in reports.

Ask him about Derozan

Reply with the headbutting a brick wall emoji if he tells you that he thinks its gonna happen

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We’re climbing back to the top 20 next year, this is disgraceful

One of the highest paid rosters in the league too. This squad has got to be the worst production per dollar teams in the NBA. The Heat attitude has become one of hubris. They need to clean house in management and get back that pick up by the boot strap and get to work hunger.

Both Bam and Herro are realisitcally slightly overpaid, but that's not what's killing us.

What's killing is Wiggins + Duncan + Rozier + Anderson making around 85Mil$ instead of 15 Mil combined.

Duncan will take 10 mil off this year and 9.8 off next year. Rozier and Anderson are another 35 off the books next year. Wiggins and his 30 mil player opt in needs to get swapped out for expiring’s. Could have a healthy chunk of cap space next year.

[HeatFanLifer]

One of the highest paid rosters in the league too. This squad has got to be the worst production per dollar teams in the NBA. The Heat attitude has become one of hubris. They need to clean house in management and get back that pick up by the boot strap and get to work hunger.

Both Bam and Herro are realisitcally slightly overpaid, but that's not what's killing us.

What's killing is Wiggins + Duncan + Rozier + Anderson making around 85Mil$ instead of 15 Mil combined.

Cuz their extension haven't kicked in. Bam kicks in after next season, after which they both will make a combined 80 mil, more than half the cap. If Herro gets his extension, the next season they both will make a 100 mill combined. More than 60 % of the cap

With the new CBA rules, if you want decent depth and you can only do max salaries. So it has to be guys who are all nba. We can't have 2 max guys making 50 and we still need a no 1 and no 2 option. That's why I pro rebuild. I don't see the point of paying these guys 2 much and we all pretty much agree neither is a no 1 or no 2 option. And we all harp on Herro, and rightly so because he's way way more egregious. But same applies to Bam, especially when we are watching what Siakam is doing.

It’s almost all bad. Wiggins, Rozier, Duncan, Anderson is bad. Bam and Herro being paid as elite tier talent is bad. The coaching is bad. The only bright spot right now is the Heat have decent young talent in Ware, Jovic, JJ, and Mitchell. But if they get overpaid when their extension comes just for the sake of keeping them, then that just furthers the mismanagement. This is a team without a rudder, nor a captain. It’s just aimlessly wandering waiting for the wind to take it somewhere. There’s no foresight (such as identifying they needed to trade yimmy last offseason). How Arison and Riley have let it get this bad is beyond me. This team used to push accountability, now it just pushes overpaid player checks from accounting.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We’re climbing back to the top 20 next year, this is disgraceful

One of the highest paid rosters in the league too. This squad has got to be the worst production per dollar teams in the NBA. The Heat attitude has become one of hubris. They need to clean house in management and get back that pick up by the boot strap and get to work hunger.

Hard to win anything when you have arguably $80M in dead weight, gotta get that figured out this summer.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We’re climbing back to the top 20 next year, this is disgraceful

One of the highest paid rosters in the league too. This squad has got to be the worst production per dollar teams in the NBA. The Heat attitude has become one of hubris. They need to clean house in management and get back that pick up by the boot strap and get to work hunger.

Both Bam and Herro are realisitcally slightly overpaid, but that's not what's killing us.

What's killing is Wiggins + Duncan + Rozier + Anderson making around 85Mil$ instead of 15 Mil combined.

Yep guess I should’ve caught up with the thread before my last post lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

*Posted this in draft thread but shows a clear picture of the current roster and clearly where the upgrades need to come from.

I don’t see us going after Rasheer Fleming. I think we’ll try and sign a vet Center and development big prospect. Most likely sign Jovic to extension and continue to develop Keshad Johnson. Front court looks like a strength right now.

Current front court rotation

C Ware
PF Bam PF Jovic PF Keshad Johnson

Vets
C/PF Kevin Love
PF Kyle Anderson

Continue to develop the 3 big rotation of Ware, Bam, and Jovic while sprinkling in KJ. Unless you want Niko gone i don’t see how Fleming fits into the equation. And don’t give me the Jovic at SF sell either lol. Kyle Anderson needs to be traded.

Current wing and guard rotation

SF Wiggins SF JJJ SF Highsmith
SG Herro SG Larrson
PG Terry Rozier

*PG Davion Mitchell RFA
*SG Duncan Robinson (Partial guarantee 9.8 mi of 19.8 contract)

The wing and guard rotation needs serious help. Larrson and JJJ are not good enough shooters to lead the bench together. Even with resigning Mitchell there’s no way we can go in next year with just Rozier again as backup. Desperate need for scorers and 3 point shooting.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Saying Bam is overpaid is whatever but it’s mainly based on a bad start to last season where he ended up getting back to his normal self the last 40 or 50 games, I’d expect him to be much better next year and bounce back. You absolutely pay $50M (28%-30% of the cap) a year to a guy who has proven he can be the 2nd best player on a team fighting for a championship not once, not twice, but 3 times now (shoutout to LeBrons introduction) who could potentially be a champion right now if not due to injuries to himself and Dragic in 2020 and Jimmy in 2022 and 2023 or just had a better supporting cast in 2023.

Call me a Bam homer/stan or whatever but he earned his payday and that’s just the simple truth. There’s more to basketball than scoring points and he does that at a respectable rate in addition to the countless other things he brings.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

One of the highest paid rosters in the league too. This squad has got to be the worst production per dollar teams in the NBA. The Heat attitude has become one of hubris. They need to clean house in management and get back that pick up by the boot strap and get to work hunger.

Both Bam and Herro are realisitcally slightly overpaid, but that's not what's killing us.

What's killing is Wiggins + Duncan + Rozier + Anderson making around 85Mil$ instead of 15 Mil combined.

Cuz their extension haven't kicked in. Bam kicks in after next season, after which they both will make a combined 80 mil, more than half the cap. If Herro gets his extension, the next season they both will make a 100 mill combined. More than 60 % of the cap

With the new CBA rules, if you want decent depth and you can only do max salaries. So it has to be guys who are all nba. We can't have 2 max guys making 50 and we still need a no 1 and no 2 option. That's why I pro rebuild. I don't see the point of paying these guys 2 much and we all pretty much agree neither is a no 1 or no 2 option. And we all harp on Herro, and rightly so because he's way way more egregious. But same applies to Bam, especially when we are watching what Siakam is doing.

Siakam is being spoon fed by a top 5 if not top 3 playmaker in the league. 76% of his baskets are being assisted on right now, I can not reiterate enough how a high level playmaker would make this team and our players FAR better.

Our biggest needs are easily a high level playmaker and a true 1st option, in a perfect world we’d get that all in 1 player

[greg4012]

*Posted this in draft thread but shows a clear picture of the current roster and clearly where the upgrades need to come from.

I don’t see us going after Rasheer Fleming. I think we’ll try and sign a vet Center and development big prospect. Most likely sign Jovic to extension and continue to develop Keshad Johnson. Front court looks like a strength right now.

Current front court rotation

C Ware
PF Bam PF Jovic PF Keshad Johnson

Vets
C/PF Kevin Love
PF Kyle Anderson

Continue to develop the 3 big rotation of Ware, Bam, and Jovic while sprinkling in KJ. Unless you want Niko gone i don’t see how Fleming fits into the equation. And don’t give me the Jovic at SF sell either lol. Kyle Anderson needs to be traded.

Current wing and guard rotation

SF Wiggins SF JJJ SF Highsmith
SG Herro SG Larrson
PG Terry Rozier

*PG Davion Mitchell RFA
*SG Duncan Robinson (Partial guarantee 9.8 mi of 19.8 contract)

The wing and guard rotation needs serious help. Larrson and JJJ are not good enough shooters to lead the bench together. Even with resigning Mitchell there’s no way we can go in next year with just Rozier again as backup. Desperate need for scorers and 3 point shooting.

Miami has def done a great job building up a promising frontcourt rotation for the present to future. But, man. You can't invest so much development and draft capital into a frontcourt and then pair it with league-worst perimeter playmaking. I mean, you can...as we have seen. But it will result in wasting the potential of that frontcourt (by nature & design, frontcourt players need playmaking to be properly deployed).

In all likelihood, next season is trending to be another one where Miami is bottom tier in perimeter playmaking and it will drag down everything on the team. But, for anyone who wants to maintain perspective, the potential benefits of adding a top tier playmaker to the team can be exponential. Just gotta bide time and develop the roster until then and strike when the opp is there.

[HeatFanLifer]

Saying Bam is overpaid is whatever but it’s mainly based on a bad start to last season where he ended up getting back to his normal self the last 40 or 50 games, I’d expect him to be much better next year and bounce back. You absolutely pay $50M (28%-30% of the cap) a year to a guy who has proven he can be the 2nd best player on a team fighting for a championship not once, not twice, but 3 times now (shoutout to LeBrons introduction) who could potentially be a champion right now if not due to injuries to himself and Dragic in 2020 and Jimmy in 2022 and 2023 or just had a better supporting cast in 2023.

Call me a Bam homer/stan or whatever but he earned his payday and that’s just the simple truth. There’s more to basketball than scoring points and he does that at a respectable rate in addition to the countless other things he brings.

IMO, if Bam was on a team with a true top five guy you 100% pay Bam that 50 million. On a team like the Heat though, he is not a player to build around. He is a player you bring to an already built team. The Heat aren’t going to find a top 5 guy unless they draft him and with Bam they will be treadmilling that 8-10 seed indefinitely. Plus Bam is not a premier enough player to lure other talent.

[oreon]

Both Bam and Herro are realisitcally slightly overpaid, but that's not what's killing us.

What's killing is Wiggins + Duncan + Rozier + Anderson making around 85Mil$ instead of 15 Mil combined.

Cuz their extension haven't kicked in. Bam kicks in after next season, after which they both will make a combined 80 mil, more than half the cap. If Herro gets his extension, the next season they both will make a 100 mill combined. More than 60 % of the cap

With the new CBA rules, if you want decent depth and you can only do max salaries. So it has to be guys who are all nba. We can't have 2 max guys making 50 and we still need a no 1 and no 2 option. That's why I pro rebuild. I don't see the point of paying these guys 2 much and we all pretty much agree neither is a no 1 or no 2 option. And we all harp on Herro, and rightly so because he's way way more egregious. But same applies to Bam, especially when we are watching what Siakam is doing.

Siakam is being spoon fed by a top 5 if not top 3 playmaker in the league. 76% of his baskets are being assisted on right now, I can not reiterate enough how a high level playmaker would make this team and our players FAR better.

Our biggest needs are easily a high level playmaker and a true 1st option, in a perfect world we’d get that all in 1 player

He's not Gobert. He's not being spoon fed every basket. In their system they get a ton of easy baskets because of their pace and Haliburton. But also when their offense breaks down, he's their go to guy. They'll set an iso on the left wing and he'll post up to get a paint bucket or a fade away mid range jump. Siakam can consistently win one on one match ups. Siakam can consistently punish smaller guards. Siakam is a more skilled and better player than Bam
This is the value of a true 1 and 2 option. When offense dies, can we trust you to carry the offense for a 3-5 min stretch. Can you take over for a game. And for the no 1 guys, can you win 2 games in a series by yourself.
I am not looking at Bam, as someone I trust to carry the offense for a stretch when the team is in a funk. For the play in and the playoffs, Davion Mitchell has been more that guy than Bam has.

[greg4012]

Saying Bam is overpaid is whatever but it’s mainly based on a bad start to last season where he ended up getting back to his normal self the last 40 or 50 games, I’d expect him to be much better next year and bounce back. You absolutely pay $50M (28%-30% of the cap) a year to a guy who has proven he can be the 2nd best player on a team fighting for a championship not once, not twice, but 3 times now (shoutout to LeBrons introduction) who could potentially be a champion right now if not due to injuries to himself and Dragic in 2020 and Jimmy in 2022 and 2023 or just had a better supporting cast in 2023.

Call me a Bam homer/stan or whatever but he earned his payday and that’s just the simple truth. There’s more to basketball than scoring points and he does that at a respectable rate in addition to the countless other things he brings.

IMO, if Bam was on a team with a true top five guy you 100% pay Bam that 50 million. On a team like the Heat though, he is not a player to build around. He is a player you bring to an already built team. The Heat aren’t going to find a top 5 guy unless they draft him and with Bam they will be treadmilling that 8-10 seed indefinitely. Plus Bam is not a premier enough player to lure other talent.

Fair & reasonable perspective. I'm still in the camp that doesn't believe your second to last sentence is as absolute as you make it out to be and doesn't at all believe that your last sentence is accurate. Miami has lured plenty of talent, they just haven't had the draft capital and have been dragged down by bad contracts, so not able to close on opportunities for interested talent. Part of that is the new CBA killing free agency. But, it's the reality that Miami has to operate in.

I still have eyes set on 2026 offseason as the fork in the road. Given Miami's payroll moving forward, that's the natural point for a new roster construction one way or another. If Miami is not able to pull off a big trade or free agency signing by that offseason, then it really does seem to make the most sense to explore a complete roster overhaul and trade players for assets. My reasonable expectation is that both Bam and Herro can enhance their perceived value around the league over the next season. Trade high (if that's where the cards fall).

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Saying Bam is overpaid is whatever but it’s mainly based on a bad start to last season where he ended up getting back to his normal self the last 40 or 50 games, I’d expect him to be much better next year and bounce back. You absolutely pay $50M (28%-30% of the cap) a year to a guy who has proven he can be the 2nd best player on a team fighting for a championship not once, not twice, but 3 times now (shoutout to LeBrons introduction) who could potentially be a champion right now if not due to injuries to himself and Dragic in 2020 and Jimmy in 2022 and 2023 or just had a better supporting cast in 2023.

Call me a Bam homer/stan or whatever but he earned his payday and that’s just the simple truth. There’s more to basketball than scoring points and he does that at a respectable rate in addition to the countless other things he brings.

IMO, if Bam was on a team with a true top five guy you 100% pay Bam that 50 million. On a team like the Heat though, he is not a player to build around. He is a player you bring to an already built team. The Heat aren’t going to find a top 5 guy unless they draft him and with Bam they will be treadmilling that 8-10 seed indefinitely. Plus Bam is not a premier enough player to lure other talent.

Bam had Dame wanting to come to Miami, Donovan Mitchell as well who said he thought he was being traded to the Heat which was his reasoning for playing in all the Miami pro am games with Bam that summer. Bam is very well liked around the league, he can’t make the front office get it done though

[greg4012]

Cuz their extension haven't kicked in. Bam kicks in after next season, after which they both will make a combined 80 mil, more than half the cap. If Herro gets his extension, the next season they both will make a 100 mill combined. More than 60 % of the cap

With the new CBA rules, if you want decent depth and you can only do max salaries. So it has to be guys who are all nba. We can't have 2 max guys making 50 and we still need a no 1 and no 2 option. That's why I pro rebuild. I don't see the point of paying these guys 2 much and we all pretty much agree neither is a no 1 or no 2 option. And we all harp on Herro, and rightly so because he's way way more egregious. But same applies to Bam, especially when we are watching what Siakam is doing.

Siakam is being spoon fed by a top 5 if not top 3 playmaker in the league. 76% of his baskets are being assisted on right now, I can not reiterate enough how a high level playmaker would make this team and our players FAR better.

Our biggest needs are easily a high level playmaker and a true 1st option, in a perfect world we’d get that all in 1 player

He's not Gobert. He's not being spoon fed every basket. In their system they get a ton of easy baskets because of their pace and Haliburton. But also when their offense breaks down, he's their go to guy. They'll set an iso on the left wing and he'll post up to get a paint bucket or a fade away mid range jump. Siakam can consistently win one on one match ups. Siakam can consistently punish smaller guards. Siakam is a more skilled and better player than Bam
This is the value of a true 1 and 2 option. When offense dies, can we trust you to carry the offense for a 3-5 min stretch. Can you take over for a game. And for the no 1 guys, can you win 2 games in a series by yourself.
I am not looking at Bam, as someone I trust to carry the offense for a stretch when the team is in a funk. For the play in and the playoffs, Davion Mitchell has been more that guy than Bam has.

Have you noticed that your entire perspective of value in the above post is limited in scope solely to scoring in isolation? I agree that Siakam is better in that regard--and there's great value in that. But, my realm of focus as to what impacts winning in the NBA is much larger than that. Pacers are fortunate to have zero bad contracts, great roster depth of 2-way players, and bargain contracts on the books. Very soon that won't all be the case as players are due to get paid. Then some of Siakam's warts will likely come under a microscope. He'll still be a great player, tho.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Cuz their extension haven't kicked in. Bam kicks in after next season, after which they both will make a combined 80 mil, more than half the cap. If Herro gets his extension, the next season they both will make a 100 mill combined. More than 60 % of the cap

With the new CBA rules, if you want decent depth and you can only do max salaries. So it has to be guys who are all nba. We can't have 2 max guys making 50 and we still need a no 1 and no 2 option. That's why I pro rebuild. I don't see the point of paying these guys 2 much and we all pretty much agree neither is a no 1 or no 2 option. And we all harp on Herro, and rightly so because he's way way more egregious. But same applies to Bam, especially when we are watching what Siakam is doing.

Siakam is being spoon fed by a top 5 if not top 3 playmaker in the league. 76% of his baskets are being assisted on right now, I can not reiterate enough how a high level playmaker would make this team and our players FAR better.

Our biggest needs are easily a high level playmaker and a true 1st option, in a perfect world we’d get that all in 1 player

He's not Gobert. He's not being spoon fed every basket. In their system they get a ton of easy baskets because of their pace and Haliburton. But also when their offense breaks down, he's their go to guy. They'll set an iso on the left wing and he'll post up to get a paint bucket or a fade away mid range jump. Siakam can consistently win one on one match ups. Siakam can consistently punish smaller guards. Siakam is a more skilled and better player than Bam
This is the value of a true 1 and 2 option. When offense dies, can we trust you to carry the offense for a 3-5 min stretch. Can you take over for a game. And for the no 1 guys, can you win 2 games in a series by yourself.
I am not looking at Bam, as someone I trust to carry the offense for a stretch when the team is in a funk. For the play in and the playoffs, Davion Mitchell has been more that guy than Bam has.

What’s funny is you all have seen bam do that several times in the playoffs lol and yes Siakam scores for them at times in iso situations but he has been an average at best isolation player these playoffs in the 33rd percentile so that statement doesn’t hold as much weight as your giving it.

Yes Siakam is skilled and he’s not Gobert but he is being assisted on 76% of his baskets; that is insanely high. That’s a literal fact.

[MettaWorldPanda]

*Posted this in draft thread but shows a clear picture of the current roster and clearly where the upgrades need to come from.

I don’t see us going after Rasheer Fleming. I think we’ll try and sign a vet Center and development big prospect. Most likely sign Jovic to extension and continue to develop Keshad Johnson. Front court looks like a strength right now.

Current front court rotation

C Ware
PF Bam PF Jovic PF Keshad Johnson

Vets
C/PF Kevin Love
PF Kyle Anderson

Continue to develop the 3 big rotation of Ware, Bam, and Jovic while sprinkling in KJ. Unless you want Niko gone i don’t see how Fleming fits into the equation. And don’t give me the Jovic at SF sell either lol. Kyle Anderson needs to be traded.

Current wing and guard rotation

SF Wiggins SF JJJ SF Highsmith
SG Herro SG Larrson
PG Terry Rozier

*PG Davion Mitchell RFA
*SG Duncan Robinson (Partial guarantee 9.8 mi of 19.8 contract)

The wing and guard rotation needs serious help. Larrson and JJJ are not good enough shooters to lead the bench together. Even with resigning Mitchell there’s no way we can go in next year with just Rozier again as backup. Desperate need for scorers and 3 point shooting.

Miami has def done a great job building up a promising frontcourt rotation for the present to future. But, man. You can't invest so much development and draft capital into a frontcourt and then pair it with league-worst perimeter playmaking. I mean, you can...as we have seen. But it will result in wasting the potential of that frontcourt (by nature & design, frontcourt players need playmaking to be properly deployed).

In all likelihood, next season is trending to be another one where Miami is bottom tier in perimeter playmaking and it will drag down everything on the team. But, for anyone who wants to maintain perspective, the potential benefits of adding a top tier playmaker to the team can be exponential. Just gotta bide time and develop the roster until then and strike when the opp is there.

With just a simple trade of getting off Rozier and swapping him out for CJ McCollum, drafting a PG, and resigning Mitchell look how quickly it changes the dynamic of the depth chart from above

SG Herro SG Larrson
PG/SG McCollum PG Mitchell (PG Saraf, Richardson,Traore, or WCJ)

*McCollum becomes a one year stop gap or possible future cheap veteran resign. Adds a reliable playmaking vet and scorer to the rotation. Forms a 3 man bench rotation with Mitchell and allows us to bring on the young guard we draft slowly. McCollum can move to the 2 guard spot when Herro is on the bench consistently leaving us with a scorer and 3 point threat. Spo can mix and match with Larrson and the young guard throughout the season.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Just 5 months ago. CJ has a lot left in the tank. Heat twitter should be talking about him instead of old tired bum ass fit DeRozan.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Just 5 months ago. CJ has a lot left in the tank. Heat twitter should be talking about him instead of old tired bum ass fit DeRozan.

What’s the thought here? Wiggins for CJ to clear the books further for 2026? I’ll take it