Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[Celts17Pride]

A Spurs team with Wemby, KD, Fox, and JB...

A Celtics team with SGA, White, Brown, Tatum and Jokic......

[brackdan70]

If the Spurs are looking for a star with a lower asking price than Antetokounmpo, Mannix believes that Brown could be a feasible option for San Antonio.

“I think if you’re Boston, you’re not going to ask for a Stephon Castle. You’re not going to get a Stephon Castle in a potential Jaylen Brown deal. You would get the No. 2 pick back in return. You would get the Devin Vassells, the Keldon Johnsons, future first-round capital. That’s something I’d watch if and when the Giannis Antetokounmpo stuff shakes itself out over the next few weeks.”

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/06/jaylen-brown-trade-rumors-celtics-star-linked-to-new-team-by-nba-insider.html

Yes, do it.

I would absolutely do No. 2 pick (Harper + Vassell + Barnes(or Keldon Johnson) + picks for JB.

Absolutely.

Do it.

I really like Harper. I’d consider this as well. If they really are considering moving Brown, this as good as they will get.

[Fierce1]

So would Mannix. Problem is the Spurs won't do it. Rumor is the Spurs/Suns have a framework for a Durant deal with only the 14th pick being moved. Check back a few pages. Spurs think Durant and #2 pick > Brown. I agree.

Keyword there is rumor. It's all just rumors right now. We don't know what the Spurs really think and we won't know until they make a move.

And who knows, maybe they do both..14 pick for KD and 2nd pick for JB.

Spurs are not taking $110 million of salary for two players already having Fox, Wemby and Castle People need to go outside and get some fresh air. The Spurs and Brown is not even a rumor, it's 100% speculation from Mannix. He was answering a question from Drew Carter to give his opinion.

Spurs remove 63.5m from Vassell, Keldon, and Barnes.

They will be a 1st apron team, but the math works.

[Fierce1]

A Spurs team with Wemby, KD, Fox, and JB...

A Celtics team with SGA, White, Brown, Tatum and Jokic......

The difference is your fantasy is not possible because the math doesn't work.

If the Spurs are fine with being a 1st apron team then KD and JB to the Spurs is possible.

[Celts17Pride]

A Spurs team with Wemby, KD, Fox, and JB...

A Celtics team with SGA, White, Brown, Tatum and Jokic......

The difference is your fantasy is not possible because the math doesn't work.

If the Spurs are fine with being a 1st apron team then KD and JB to the Spurs is possible.

They are both fantasy.

[165bows]

Keyword there is rumor. It's all just rumors right now. We don't know what the Spurs really think and we won't know until they make a move.

And who knows, maybe they do both..14 pick for KD and 2nd pick for JB.

Spurs are not taking $110 million of salary for two players already having Fox, Wemby and Castle People need to go outside and get some fresh air. The Spurs and Brown is not even a rumor, it's 100% speculation from Mannix. He was answering a question from Drew Carter to give his opinion.

Spurs remove 63.5m from Vassell, Keldon, and Barnes.

They will be a 1st apron team, but the math works.

I'm not saying there are any legs to the Brown talk, but the media stuff goes both ways. Speculation from Mannix/Carter gets picked up by other outlets and then discussed, but who do those two guys ultimately work for?

At any rate, it would have to be at least a three-team 6 for 2 or more likely 7 for 2 to bring in those two salaries and it's easier talking about trading a FMVP than it is that stuff around here lol.

[Fierce1]

A Celtics team with SGA, White, Brown, Tatum and Jokic......

The difference is your fantasy is not possible because the math doesn't work.

If the Spurs are fine with being a 1st apron team then KD and JB to the Spurs is possible.

They are both fantasy.

Just like Luka to the Lakers for AD was a fantasy.

If the math works and the Spurs have the picks to trade then you can't totally rule it out.

[celtxman]

I will be happy if I end up being wrong. It'll be better for our future if it turns out like you think it will.

Brad attached a pick to dump Kemba but was secretly bringing in a key piece of the next title team.

I think he’ll do all right.

Brad's great at what he does. Really looking forward to the action kicking off. It's damn near as fun as the games themselves. I love all the trade speculation.

This is the executive that Stevens has become. No more we are in on this one or that one and then not finishing the deal. Excellent, stealth decisions. So for all of our "proposals " it will likely be different, but good.

[Celts17Pride]

All right time to leave crazy town. I'll be back when there are real rumors.

[ThePigeon]

Castle and Vassell are good young players.

Castle has SGA potential and Vassell a Khris MIddleton type.

Both will not get the finals MVP

I prefer Brown

Brown has peaked. He's not getting another finals MVP.

The moves we're making this summer are not just basketball decisions. It's not just about who's a better player. Finances are playing a big part as well.

Jaylen has a HUGE contract and it's highly debatable whether the on court value we're going to get from him over the next 4 years is worth the amount of $ we're paying him. And at 28 yrs old (29 in october), his trade value will likely only get lower as each year goes by.

Moving him now might be a good move..especially if we can get a young talent like Castle or Harper to extend our window well beyond when Tatum reaches the end of his prime..

I disagree
He showed on game 5 against NY what he can do. Getting to his prime just right now
I agree we need to manage cap - but don't trade your best players for cap reasons. First trade KP, Hauser and sign Horford to a friendly deal.

[celtxman]

If the Spurs are looking for a star with a lower asking price than Antetokounmpo, Mannix believes that Brown could be a feasible option for San Antonio.

“I think if you’re Boston, you’re not going to ask for a Stephon Castle. You’re not going to get a Stephon Castle in a potential Jaylen Brown deal. You would get the No. 2 pick back in return. You would get the Devin Vassells, the Keldon Johnsons, future first-round capital. That’s something I’d watch if and when the Giannis Antetokounmpo stuff shakes itself out over the next few weeks.”

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/06/jaylen-brown-trade-rumors-celtics-star-linked-to-new-team-by-nba-insider.html

Yes, do it.

I would absolutely do No. 2 pick (Harper + Vassell + Barnes(or Keldon Johnson) + picks for JB.

Absolutely.

Do it.

I really like Harper. I’d consider this as well. If they really are considering moving Brown, this as good as they will get.

I can't lie - I don't love that Harper and Bailey played for a losing team.

[Larry_Russell]

Brown has been on a decline over last 2 seasons....and honestly should NOT have gotten the one he did.

Tatum should have and was robbed.


Brown
20.8ppg, 5.4rpg, 5apg


Tatum
22.2ppg, 7.8rpg, 7.2apg

It was browns perceived defense on Luka (while ignoring Luka was obviously gassed) that gave brown the FMVP.

Here comes the revisionist history. I knew it would appear sometime

It isnt revisionist.

Tatum led the tema in everything. Tatum deserved the fmvp.

[brackdan70]

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/06/jaylen-brown-trade-rumors-celtics-star-linked-to-new-team-by-nba-insider.html

Yes, do it.

I would absolutely do No. 2 pick (Harper + Vassell + Barnes(or Keldon Johnson) + picks for JB.

Absolutely.

Do it.

I really like Harper. I’d consider this as well. If they really are considering moving Brown, this as good as they will get.

I can't lie - I don't love that Harper and Bailey played for a losing team.

Yeah I can understand that sentiment for sure. Harper was decent in the impact metrics. Bailey not so much.

[Larry_Russell]

If the Spurs are looking for a star with a lower asking price than Antetokounmpo, Mannix believes that Brown could be a feasible option for San Antonio.

“I think if you’re Boston, you’re not going to ask for a Stephon Castle. You’re not going to get a Stephon Castle in a potential Jaylen Brown deal. You would get the No. 2 pick back in return. You would get the Devin Vassells, the Keldon Johnsons, future first-round capital. That’s something I’d watch if and when the Giannis Antetokounmpo stuff shakes itself out over the next few weeks.”

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/06/jaylen-brown-trade-rumors-celtics-star-linked-to-new-team-by-nba-insider.html

Yes, do it.

I would absolutely do No. 2 pick (Harper) + Vassell + Barnes(or Keldon Johnson) + picks for JB.

Absolutely.

Do it.

then flip it plus additional assets for Giannis. lol.

[Larry_Russell]

Says who?

statistics

Usage down, turnovers up.
shooting worse (attacking rim less and shooting more for 3-10 feet which looks like he is lacking the ability to get to the rim...meaning a decline)

you guys are blinded by the hate, dude played with a flipping torn meniscus man. Let that sink in....anyone in their right mind could see that JB didn't have his reg burst or lift. Lets be real here in the land of make believe haha

jaylen have a torn meniscus for 2 years?

Jaylen is not the player that many Celtics fans believe he is.

[Hal14]

I can't lie - I don't love that Harper and Bailey played for a losing team.

That's not their fault:

-They were freshmen. The teams in college basketball that win lots of games and make deep tourney runs are veteran teams with seniors, juniors..hell, with COVID there's actually lots of 24 and even 25 year old dudes playing on some of the top college basketball teams. Auburn had a 25 year old (Chad Baker Mazara) who's going to be playing college basketball AGAIN next year, lol. Auburn's average age of their starters was like 23. Kentucky had a bunch of 23 year olds. Duke had a few freshmen but balanced that out nicely with good older vets like Gillis, James, Brown and Proctor.

Florida had a bunch of older guys.

Who did Rutgers have for good vets? Nobody. Not only were Harper and Ace freshmen but they were young freshmen, 2 of the youngest freshmen in college basketball..Ace is still only 18 and Harper was 18 for pretty much the whole season

-PLus they started 2 other freshmen in addition to Ace and Harper

-The rest of the team outside of Ace and Harper was basically America East talent, at best.

-Harper had knee surgery over the summer before last season..he also sprained his ankle mid-season and had the flu so bad that he lost 15 lbs in January. Ace had an injury early in the season and an illness mid-season

-Jaylen Brown, Lamelo Ball, Ant Edwards..their teams in their pre-draft season were bad too..

-I also think Ace is a bit overrated. While he's projected to be the 3rd pick, he's around like the 7-11 range on my personal big board.

[Larry_Russell]

If the Spurs are looking for a star with a lower asking price than Antetokounmpo, Mannix believes that Brown could be a feasible option for San Antonio.

“I think if you’re Boston, you’re not going to ask for a Stephon Castle. You’re not going to get a Stephon Castle in a potential Jaylen Brown deal. You would get the No. 2 pick back in return. You would get the Devin Vassells, the Keldon Johnsons, future first-round capital. That’s something I’d watch if and when the Giannis Antetokounmpo stuff shakes itself out over the next few weeks.”

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/06/jaylen-brown-trade-rumors-celtics-star-linked-to-new-team-by-nba-insider.html

Yes, do it.

I would absolutely do No. 2 pick (Harper + Vassell + Barnes(or Keldon Johnson) + picks for JB.

Absolutely.

Do it.

So would Mannix. Problem is the Spurs won't do it. Rumor is the Spurs/Suns have a framework for a Durant deal with only the 14th pick being moved. Check back a few pages. Spurs think Durant and #2 pick > Brown. I agree.

KD is an expiring that doesnt fit their timeline.,

Brown is locked up and is much younger.

you are here claiming that Brown is worth far more than #2 and all the pieces
And you claim that the number 2 is not good for a team that wants to win and that trading brown for the number 2 would signify Tatum asking out
and pretty sure has also claim the celtics should stay away from Durant,


but somehow durant and #2 is superior to brown. I dont get it.

[playa-hater]

At some point I might add my 2 cents, but I will say all this "talk" and "speculation" has me excited

I hate Boring more than I hate you know who

[brackdan70]

I can't lie - I don't love that Harper and Bailey played for a losing team.

That's not their fault:

-They were freshmen. The teams in college basketball that win lots of games and make deep tourney runs are veteran teams with seniors, juniors..hell, with COVID there's actually lots of 24 and even 25 year old dudes playing on some of the top college basketball teams. Auburn had a 25 year old (Chad Baker Mazara) who's going to be playing college basketball AGAIN next year, lol. Auburn's average age of their starters was like 23. Kentucky had a bunch of 23 year olds. Duke had a few freshmen but balanced that out nicely with good older vets like Gillis, James, Brown and Proctor.

Florida had a bunch of older guys.

Who did Rutgers have for good vets? Nobody. Not only were Harper and Ace freshmen but they were young freshmen, 2 of the youngest freshmen in college basketball..Ace is still only 18 and Harper was 18 for pretty much the whole season

-PLus they started 2 other freshmen in addition to Ace and Harper

-The rest of the team outside of Ace and Harper was basically America East talent, at best.

-Harper had knee surgery over the summer before last season..he also sprained his ankle mid-season and had the flu so bad that he lost 15 lbs in January. Ace had an injury early in the season and an illness mid-season

-Jaylen Brown, Lamelo Ball, Ant Edwards..their teams in their pre-draft season were bad too..

Good points, but Browns team played in the NCAA tournament.

[165bows]

I can't lie - I don't love that Harper and Bailey played for a losing team.

That's not their fault:

-They were freshmen. The teams in college basketball that win lots of games and make deep tourney runs are veteran teams with seniors, juniors..hell, with COVID there's actually lots of 24 and even 25 year old dudes playing on some of the top college basketball teams. Auburn had a 25 year old (Chad Baker Mazara) who's going to be playing college basketball AGAIN next year, lol. Auburn's average age of their starters was like 23. Kentucky had a bunch of 23 year olds. Duke had a few freshmen but balanced that out nicely with good older vets like Gillis, James, Brown and Proctor.

Florida had a bunch of older guys.

Who did Rutgers have for good vets? Nobody. Not only were Harper and Ace freshmen but they were young freshmen, 2 of the youngest freshmen in college basketball..Ace is still only 18 and Harper was 18 for pretty much the whole season

-PLus they started 2 other freshmen in addition to Ace and Harper

-The rest of the team outside of Ace and Harper was basically America East talent, at best.

-Harper had knee surgery over the summer before last season..he also sprained his ankle mid-season and had the flu so bad that he lost 15 lbs in January. Ace had an injury early in the season and an illness mid-season

-Jaylen Brown, Lamelo Ball, Ant Edwards..their teams in their pre-draft season were bad too..

Good points, but Browns team played in the NCAA tournament.

Well that's the whole point imo the odds that Brown turned into Brown (then and now) are pretty darn low. I mean, there were very good reasons he wasn't chosen 1 he wasn't that great of a prospect, even though he looks like a great pick in retrospect.