Raptors Board Mock Draft - BRK is on the clock (#8)

[ciueli]

I believe he'd be the best player available at our pick and I hope he gets to us.

Yeah, I don't really believe that, I think people just want an interesting poll when it comes to our pick. If Maluach is on board everyone knows we're taking him due to the Masai connection and his past draft record. Now with Maluach off board it can be a question of who we take, not a foregone conclusion.

I have him 5th on my board.

There are people here who have guys like Cedric Coward 5th on their board and Fleming 7th so that doesn't mean much to me, he isn't the 5th best prospect in this draft and he definitely isn't getting drafted that high.

[OakleyDokely]

Yeah, I don't really believe that, I think people just want an interesting poll when it comes to our pick. If Maluach is on board everyone knows we're taking him due to the Masai connection and his past draft record. Now with Maluach off board it can be a question of who we take, not a foregone conclusion.

I have him 5th on my board.

There are people here who have guys like Cedric Coward 5th on their board and Fleming 7th so that doesn't mean much to me, he isn't the 5th best prospect in this draft and he definitely isn't getting drafted that high.

Nobody knows for sure including you.

He could go 3rd he could go 10th.

[arbsn]

if I’m BK I go KJ or Queen based on the picks remaining

Hopefully they take Maluach though

[gerrit4]

Interesting, because three of the guys I'm most interested/excited about are Maluach, Essengue, Bryant. So having a choice of two of those guys would be good.

[ciueli]

I have him 5th on my board.

There are people here who have guys like Cedric Coward 5th on their board and Fleming 7th so that doesn't mean much to me, he isn't the 5th best prospect in this draft and he definitely isn't getting drafted that high.

Nobody knows for sure including you.

He could go 3rd he could go 10th.

So now it's 3rd overall? If the 76ers are looking to take Maluach (which they won't) they will trade down to do it, they aren't using 3 on a guy who is probably Jakob Poeltl 2.0.

[OakleyDokely]

There are people here who have guys like Cedric Coward 5th on their board and Fleming 7th so that doesn't mean much to me, he isn't the 5th best prospect in this draft and he definitely isn't getting drafted that high.

Nobody knows for sure including you.

He could go 3rd he could go 10th.

So now it's 3rd overall? If the 76ers are looking to take Maluach (which they won't) they will trade down to do it, they aren't using 3 on a guy who is probably Jakob Poeltl 2.0.

I mean, if you know what's going to happen already, open up your betting app and bet your life savings on it.

[ciueli]

Nobody knows for sure including you.

He could go 3rd he could go 10th.

So now it's 3rd overall? If the 76ers are looking to take Maluach (which they won't) they will trade down to do it, they aren't using 3 on a guy who is probably Jakob Poeltl 2.0.

I mean, if you know what's going to happen already, open up your betting app and bet your life savings on it.

Am I absolutely 100% certain to the point of risking my entire life, shoot me in the head with a gun if I'm wrong? No, there's nothing in life you can be that certain of, but let's be real, every bit of information we have right now says that Maluach isn't getting picked that high in this draft.

[OakleyDokely]

So now it's 3rd overall? If the 76ers are looking to take Maluach (which they won't) they will trade down to do it, they aren't using 3 on a guy who is probably Jakob Poeltl 2.0.

I mean, if you know what's going to happen already, open up your betting app and bet your life savings on it.

Am I absolutely 100% certain to the point of risking my entire life, shoot me in the head with a gun if I'm wrong? No, there's nothing in life you can be that certain of, but let's be real, every bit of information we have right now says that Maluach isn't getting picked that high in this draft.

It's likely that he doesn't go 3rd but it's not impossible. There's plenty of mocks and analysis that suggests it's very possible he goes before the Raptors pick.

[ciueli]

It's likely that he doesn't go 3rd but it's not impossible.

Again, if the 76ers want him, they will trade down, there is already talk of them trading down or out of the draft, they won't take him at 3. He is not a draft riser like some of the other players we've been talking about for the past few months, if anything his stock has probably dropped after the combine. It would be an Anthony Bennett level shock if the 76ers just flat out took him at 3 and I don't see Morey making that type of move.

There's plenty of mocks and analysis that suggests it's very possible he goes before the Raptors pick.

Oh, sure, he could easily be off board before we pick, don't dispute that, It just won't be at 3-5 like you are saying he should/could/will be, and I don't think it will be at 8 for all the reasons I've said, short of the Nets trading the pick which is not something that is factored into this poll (it's specifically Nets at 8).

[DreamTeam09]

Bk is not taking Maluach / we would work out some sort of deal with them before that were to happen. It’s not like he’s an imperative prospect for them

[CanadaB-Ball]

So now it's 3rd overall? If the 76ers are looking to take Maluach (which they won't) they will trade down to do it, they aren't using 3 on a guy who is probably Jakob Poeltl 2.0.

I mean, if you know what's going to happen already, open up your betting app and bet your life savings on it.

Am I absolutely 100% certain to the point of risking my entire life, shoot me in the head with a gun if I'm wrong? No, there's nothing in life you can be that certain of, but let's be real, every bit of information we have right now says that Maluach isn't getting picked that high in this draft.

The suggestion was not that Maluach would be picked in the top-5, merely that OakleyDokely has him 5th on their board.

Which they should, because Maluach is a top-5 prospect in this class.

[OakleyDokely]

I mean, if you know what's going to happen already, open up your betting app and bet your life savings on it.

Am I absolutely 100% certain to the point of risking my entire life, shoot me in the head with a gun if I'm wrong? No, there's nothing in life you can be that certain of, but let's be real, every bit of information we have right now says that Maluach isn't getting picked that high in this draft.

The suggestion was not that Maluach would be picked in the top-5, merely that OakleyDokely has him 5th on their board.

Which they should, because Maluach is a top-5 prospect in this class.

yup, this all started when he suggested that people were only voting for Maluach because they didn't want the Raps to draft. That isn't the case for some people, including myself who rate him highly.

[ciueli]

Am I absolutely 100% certain to the point of risking my entire life, shoot me in the head with a gun if I'm wrong? No, there's nothing in life you can be that certain of, but let's be real, every bit of information we have right now says that Maluach isn't getting picked that high in this draft.

The suggestion was not that Maluach would be picked in the top-5, merely that OakleyDokely has him 5th on their board.

Which they should, because Maluach is a top-5 prospect in this class.

yup, this all started when he suggested that people were only voting for Maluach because they didn't want the Raps to draft. That isn't the case for some people, including myself who rate him highly.

I would have said nothing if he was voted off at 7, at least he makes a certain level of sense for the Pelicans even if I think they are much more likely to draft Kon as a CJ replacement. Even 6 could make some kind of sense if the Wizards are trying to set up Sarr as their future PF though again I think there are better players for them to take at 6.

[OakleyDokely]

Also, a poll like will lean towards Maluach naturally because he's the consensus big left and there's no consensus G/F left so there's a lot of vote splitting between all the possible guards/wings.

If it was C vs a G two player poll, the G probably wins.

[HolyMage110]

wouldn't be surprised if they go left field here and take carter bryant

[vini_vidi_vici]

hey OD, any chance you can hyperlink the old threads as you go, so we can look back at comments/%s??

[OakleyDokely]

hey OD, any chance you can hyperlink the old threads as you go, so we can look back at comments/%s??

ya, I can add to next one.

[ciueli]

Also, a poll like will lean towards Maluach naturally because he's the consensus big left and there's no consensus G/F left so there's a lot of vote splitting between all the possible guards/wings.

If it was C vs a G two player poll, the G probably wins.

That's not what the current vote totals are showing:

Nets draft a centre: 47%
Nets draft a guard: 25.5%
Nets draft a forward: 27.5%

You'd have to combine all guard and forward votes in one player to beat Maluach right now, and it would still be close.

[OakleyDokely]

Also, a poll like will lean towards Maluach naturally because he's the consensus big left and there's no consensus G/F left so there's a lot of vote splitting between all the possible guards/wings.

If it was C vs a G two player poll, the G probably wins.

That's not what the current vote totals are showing:

Nets draft a centre: 47%
Nets draft a guard: 25.5%
Nets draft a forward: 27.5%

You'd have to combine all guard and forward votes in one player to beat Maluach right now, and it would still be close.

Only 40% of the votes have gone to him. 60% to other players.

[ciueli]

Also, a poll like will lean towards Maluach naturally because he's the consensus big left and there's no consensus G/F left so there's a lot of vote splitting between all the possible guards/wings.

If it was C vs a G two player poll, the G probably wins.

That's not what the current vote totals are showing:

Nets draft a centre: 47%
Nets draft a guard: 25.5%
Nets draft a forward: 27.5%

You'd have to combine all guard and forward votes in one player to beat Maluach right now, and it would still be close.

Only 40% of the votes have gone to him. 60% to other players.

That wasn't your original point though, you were saying that Maluach was benefiting from vote spitting at other positions. He has 21 votes and even if we count up all the votes for guards it's only 14, he'd be winning by a comfortable margin even if 100% of the guard votes were for one player. Same with forwards, even if 100% of the forward votes were for 1 player, that player would still only have 14 votes. And Maluach is actually getting vote split at C as much as any guard because 3 people voted for Queen and only two guards have votes so far with the second place guard only having 3 votes.