The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Jesus_H_Macy]

Virtually everyone on this board has pleaded for massive changes. You have not been happy with anyone especially our owner and Book. Well, they are not going anywhere anytime soon. If you cannot handle that portion of the equation, just find another team's board to litter with your constant negativity.

I am sure that you are surprised with the decisions we made for our new GM and Coach, deal with it or just shut TFU. It is a done deal.

It appears that we have hired a coach that has very good credentials and is well thought of around the league. Give him a chance or please find another team.

It appears that our new GM is going to move Kd, still not convinced that is going to happen, for a younger group of players and draft picks. That is what you have been begging for. Give him a chance or please find another team. You have no choice if you want to remain a Suns fan.

You will complain about the trades we make and the draft picks we make but please hold off on your final decision until we see whatever group we end up with play some actual NBA games rather than complaining all the time, please find another team.

It should be an interesting summer.

Go Suns

This is probably at least partially for me since I've been really negative, and fair enough, but this "go find another team" insult (yes it's an insult) needs to stop. I know you've been a fan for a long time (the longest fan here?); would you ever "go find another team" than the Suns? If I didn't LOVE the Suns so much I wouldn't bother complaining. I'm not going to self delete about it or anything, but watching their downfall and horrible product is genuinely depressing to me. This is really my only forum to vent this **** to with other people who care about the Suns as much as I do; IRL it's going to be "who cares" or "who are you?" or both

That being said I agree that flooding the board with negativity isn't good. I try to avoid it. I can appreciate that people get sick of reading it and want to move on and try to look at the positives and be optimistic. Sometimes I need to get it out of my system. Sorry about that, for real. I think I'm good for now.

[BobbieL]

Frank is probably right and we’re looking at Point D-Lo or some other BS next season. Why bother watching that

Book wants his two best buddies, DLo and Towns. There is talent there but with this west we would still likely be bottom 3 or 4 barring massive injuries to other teams.

I'm just completely fed up with watching trash D and bad body language. I'd rather watch hustlers and good defenders who are worse on O

Very good point. That is what it is when I see Booker and Durant. Sure, they scored 25-30 points but its not winning basketball.

As for your point about Vassell and point Book - maybe they would move Vassell in another trade

[bwgood77]

Virtually everyone on this board has pleaded for massive changes. You have not been happy with anyone especially our owner and Book. Well, they are not going anywhere anytime soon. If you cannot handle that portion of the equation, just find another team's board to litter with your constant negativity.

I am sure that you are surprised with the decisions we made for our new GM and Coach, deal with it or just shut TFU. It is a done deal.

It appears that we have hired a coach that has very good credentials and is well thought of around the league. Give him a chance or please find another team.

It appears that our new GM is going to move Kd, still not convinced that is going to happen, for a younger group of players and draft picks. That is what you have been begging for. Give him a chance or please find another team. You have no choice if you want to remain a Suns fan.

You will complain about the trades we make and the draft picks we make but please hold off on your final decision until we see whatever group we end up with play some actual NBA games rather than complaining all the time, please find another team.

It should be an interesting summer.

Go Suns

This is probably at least partially for me since I've been really negative, and fair enough, but this "go find another team" insult (yes it's an insult) needs to stop. I know you've been a fan for a long time (the longest fan here?); would you ever "go find another team" than the Suns? If I didn't LOVE the Suns so much I wouldn't bother complaining. I'm not going to self delete about it or anything, but watching their downfall and horrible product is genuinely depressing to me. This is really my only forum to vent this **** to with other people who care about the Suns as much as I do; IRL it's going to be "who cares" or "who are you?" or both

That being said I agree that flooding the board with negativity isn't good. I try to avoid it. I can appreciate that people get sick of reading it and want to move on and try to look at the positives and be optimistic. Sometimes I need to get it out of my system. Sorry about that, for real. I think I'm good for now.

He also spent all of two seasons complaining about how we never should have gotten rid of Monty and how much he hates Bud and how we never should have traded Paul and how much he hates certain things.

So he hasn't exactly been a beacon of positivity, so it's a bit hard to take that post seriously....even though I get it. Negativity gets old.

But most all of us except for the great Saberestar are guilty of it to some degree.

I am sure when the season is about to start, most (or many of us) will convince ourselves in any way we can to get excited about it and be hopeful. And if things do go well, great for all of us. If our fears come true, well, hard to stay positive then.

[Sunsdeuce]

Virtually everyone on this board has pleaded for massive changes. You have not been happy with anyone especially our owner and Book. Well, they are not going anywhere anytime soon. If you cannot handle that portion of the equation, just find another team's board to litter with your constant negativity.

I am sure that you are surprised with the decisions we made for our new GM and Coach, deal with it or just shut TFU. It is a done deal.

It appears that we have hired a coach that has very good credentials and is well thought of around the league. Give him a chance or please find another team.

It appears that our new GM is going to move Kd, still not convinced that is going to happen, for a younger group of players and draft picks. That is what you have been begging for. Give him a chance or please find another team. You have no choice if you want to remain a Suns fan.

You will complain about the trades we make and the draft picks we make but please hold off on your final decision until we see whatever group we end up with play some actual NBA games rather than complaining all the time, please find another team.

It should be an interesting summer.

Go Suns

These type of responses are beyond ignorant and tiring. So people can’t be fans of a team if they are upset with the direction of the team and/or upset with the owner/FO? Man, get off your high horse. Most of us have been fans since the 90s of the Suns. You ain’t god and you don’t get to control how and who should be fans of what teams.

I’d question your fandom if you blindly accept everything the Front office and owner does. Go ask Coyotes fans that blindly accepted everything the front office and owner did (just like you are doing) worked out for them!!!!!

The best fans support good decisions and scold bad decisions. The worst fans blindly support everything.

[Fo-Real]

Rockets can give the better package, but they are not crazy enough to do it, so this SAS deal looks like it's going to happen. That #14 pick, Vassel and Barnes or Johnson, plus maybe one more heavily protected pick.

I can see Vassell, Barnes. Can we get Champagne thrown in there too?

[Fo-Real]

Virtually everyone on this board has pleaded for massive changes. You have not been happy with anyone especially our owner and Book. Well, they are not going anywhere anytime soon. If you cannot handle that portion of the equation, just find another team's board to litter with your constant negativity.

I am sure that you are surprised with the decisions we made for our new GM and Coach, deal with it or just shut TFU. It is a done deal.

It appears that we have hired a coach that has very good credentials and is well thought of around the league. Give him a chance or please find another team.

It appears that our new GM is going to move Kd, still not convinced that is going to happen, for a younger group of players and draft picks. That is what you have been begging for. Give him a chance or please find another team. You have no choice if you want to remain a Suns fan.

You will complain about the trades we make and the draft picks we make but please hold off on your final decision until we see whatever group we end up with play some actual NBA games rather than complaining all the time, please find another team.

It should be an interesting summer.

Go Suns

Yep!! Dont let them drive you away form the forum. They will try to attack you personally now.

[Jesus_H_Macy]

Book wants his two best buddies, DLo and Towns. There is talent there but with this west we would still likely be bottom 3 or 4 barring massive injuries to other teams.

I'm just completely fed up with watching trash D and bad body language. I'd rather watch hustlers and good defenders who are worse on O

Very good point. That is what it is when I see Booker and Durant. Sure, they scored 25-30 points but its not winning basketball.

As for your point about Vassell and point Book - maybe they would move Vassell in another trade

I would hope so. Not necessarily because I don't like Vassell (not that caught up with his game but I remember liking him during his draft) but because we just do not need more SGs. And I can't stomach more Point Book

[BobbieL]

I'm just completely fed up with watching trash D and bad body language. I'd rather watch hustlers and good defenders who are worse on O

Very good point. That is what it is when I see Booker and Durant. Sure, they scored 25-30 points but its not winning basketball.

As for your point about Vassell and point Book - maybe they would move Vassell in another trade

I would hope so. Not necessarily because I don't like Vassell (not that caught up with his game but I remember liking him during his draft) but because we just do not need more SGs. And I can't stomach more Point Book

Agree about not needing another SG and also think the Suns need to move away from Point Book

I just am not sure Gregory and Ishbia are savvy enough to figure out a three team trade

[Blonde]

I kind of hate the Spurs offer without 2 or Castle - not that I’d expect them to include either. With Vassell we’re not good enough to compete now and we get no high upside prospects. Just bending over for SAS.

[BobbieL]

I kind of hate the Spurs offer without 2 or Castle - not that I’d expect them to include either. With Vassell we’re not good enough to compete now and we get no high upside prospects. Just bending over for SAS.

Suns aren 't good enough to compete with Durant. So from an organizational perspective you have to weigh

1) do we keep Durant and see what you can do with his expiring at the trade deadline or next summer

2) trade him now for the best possible deal

I personally think the value for Durant now is higher than what they could possibly get as an expiring - I guess I could look and figure out the cap with Durant off, maybe Beal stretched down to $19m plus if the move Allen &/or O'neale for expirings

Suns are in a tough spot. They should have been prepared to trade KD in february but they were too busy focused on Butler and Bartlestein was (allegedly) schlupping the player

[Blonde]

I kind of hate the Spurs offer without 2 or Castle - not that I’d expect them to include either. With Vassell we’re not good enough to compete now and we get no high upside prospects. Just bending over for SAS.

Suns aren 't good enough to compete with Durant. So from an organizational perspective you have to weigh

1) do we keep Durant and see what you can do with his expiring at the trade deadline or next summer

2) trade him now for the best possible deal

I personally think the value for Durant now is higher than what they could possibly get as an expiring - I guess I could look and figure out the cap with Durant off, maybe Beal stretched down to $19m plus if the move Allen &/or O'neale for expirings

Suns are in a tough spot. They should have been prepared to trade KD in february but they were too busy focused on Butler and Bartlestein was (allegedly) schlupping the player

Not that tough of a spot really. You take option 2 of course. I just don’t believe a trade centered around Vassell/14 will be the best possible deal.

[BobbieL]

I kind of hate the Spurs offer without 2 or Castle - not that I’d expect them to include either. With Vassell we’re not good enough to compete now and we get no high upside prospects. Just bending over for SAS.

Suns aren 't good enough to compete with Durant. So from an organizational perspective you have to weigh

1) do we keep Durant and see what you can do with his expiring at the trade deadline or next summer

2) trade him now for the best possible deal

I personally think the value for Durant now is higher than what they could possibly get as an expiring - I guess I could look and figure out the cap with Durant off, maybe Beal stretched down to $19m plus if the move Allen &/or O'neale for expirings

Suns are in a tough spot. They should have been prepared to trade KD in february but they were too busy focused on Butler and Bartlestein was (allegedly) schlupping the player

Not that tough of a spot really. You take option 2 of course. I just don’t believe a trade centered around Vassell/14 will be the best possible deal.

Well when you put it that way- you are correct the Vassell/Barnes/14 is preferable to the next summer option. Who knows, maybe the Rockets will still come through or other teams. Like the Knicks - are they desperate

[BobbieL]

This is from an article of trades teams could make - how many would do this deal:

Booker for
PG13
2025 Sixers pick
2028 Sixers FRP
2030 Sixers FRP
2032 Pick swap

Read on Twitter

This is an example of why Booker should not be off-limits if there is a trade that makes sense. Not saying this makes sense just more that the phone lines should be open just in case.

[TeamTragic]

Read on Twitter

Matches what Gambo said. Not sure about the source.

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

Matches what Gambo said. Not sure about the source.

If the deal is Vessell + Barnes, Suns would save close to $4m -- but with the $14th pick - probably pretty close to a net wash

Wonder if they could somehow get Champagne out of the deal

[Saberestar]

Gambo on Bradley Beal:

They do NOT want him back. But he is untradable and if he does not agree to a buyout they may be stuck with him. One of the questions they asked candidates during the coaching cycle was what you would do with Beal. They 100% don't want him and are looking at how to get out.

[Blonde]

I can see it now: “with the 14th pick the Phoenix Suns select Jase Richardson from Michigan State University”. We take the undersized combo guard who averaged less than 2 apg. With Richardson and Vassell we can play 5 SGs at the same time.

[BobbieL]

Gambo on Bradley Beal:

They do NOT want him back. But he is untradable and if he does not agree to a buyout they may be stuck with him. One of the questions they asked candidates during the coaching cycle was what you would do with Beal. They 100% don't want him and are looking at how to get out.

I personally think he would be better as a 6th man withotu Durant. But that ship has sailed

Just buy him out for $100m out of the $110 - waive him -- don't stretch him and in two years, you will have a lot of cap space

My guess, he can probably make up the $10m over two years if he is bought out. I saw those numbers of him taking $80m and leaving $30m on the table as he would get the MLE. I personally don't think a team would give him close to the MLE. Maybe a 1+1 for $8-10m in year 1 with a club option in year 2

[bullsaficianado]

I like the Spurs deal. Vassell and Booker backcourt and bring Johnson off the bench. Try and get Barnes in the deal and trade Allen for a decent center. Just hope whatever picks we get back from Spurs for KD Ishbia does not foolishly trade.

[Saberestar]

I kind of hate the Spurs offer without 2 or Castle - not that I’d expect them to include either. With Vassell we’re not good enough to compete now and we get no high upside prospects. Just bending over for SAS.

These are preliminary talks. The idea is to trade him before the draft so there are two/three weeks to get there.

KD is open to multiple destinations and at the end of the day even his haters know how great he IS yet so those 4-6 teams are gonna start offering good packages in the next few days.

This Spurs offer is exactly what the Spurs want to trade for him. If they add multiple unprotected FRPs they offer would be good and we probably take it.

I would like to know if we can get Okongwu from the Hawks. That's a player that I really want as our starting C.