Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[Nebuchadnezzar]

OT, but whatever happened to "he come, he stay". Obviously he didn't come and he didn't stay, but in hindsight the guy had the PG/Kawhi being a packaged deal before anyone in the media.

Sandman did?

I don't remember who the "he come, he stay" guy was.

BDE

[Duffman100]

That's kinda where I sit, but I think between Masai's crush on Giannis, and Giannis' status, he declines the option and tries for a 5 year.

Overall I think KD is a better play based on risk, and the amount you'd have to give up for him. We could likely get away with something in the range of RJ/IQ instead of Scottie and picks, which then we could see how it works or even try and move Scottie afterwards for something better that fits. SMaller window for sure, but lower risk with a better chance at panning out IMO.

I can’t believe you’re suggesting that it would make sense to trade both of RJ and IQ’s prime for likely 1 year of declining old man KD. Not calling you insane, but that idea of yours is absolutely bonkers and would set us back 5 years. I’m so glad smart people with real life experience are the ones actually deciding these things.

For all of you who think you know what’s up - know this - a team run by a fanbase collective would perennially be the leagues worst. Guaranteed.

Prime IQ is like Prime Rio Chalmers lmaooo

Now you're just being ridiculous.

[Clutch0z24]

Giannis

Kd

Lamelo

In order of preference

Agreed....With the players potentially available them 3 are prolly the best talent wise....

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Trae Young
Ja Morant
Lauri Markanen

Doubt Booker, JJJ, Tre Murph are traded...

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[ConSarnit]

Giannis probably declines the player option and adds 3 years to his contract. That takes him to his age 35 season. So you're getting the end of his prime + 1 to 2 years at most of some decline. Contract should be fine but you need to start trying to win right away. I'm totally fine with this.

KD on the other hand is going into his age 37 season next year. Any extension for him takes him to 38, so the over 38 provision comes into play and he can extend for 2 more years max, taking him to 39. Any other player, I'd say no. But KD? If the price is right and you can make the team work around him such that you don't need him to defend and can live with 50 games a season with a healthy playoffs, I'd consider it.

That's kinda where I sit, but I think between Masai's crush on Giannis, and Giannis' status, he declines the option and tries for a 5 year.

Overall I think KD is a better play based on risk, and the amount you'd have to give up for him. We could likely get away with something in the range of RJ/IQ instead of Scottie and picks, which then we could see how it works or even try and move Scottie afterwards for something better that fits. SMaller window for sure, but lower risk with a better chance at panning out IMO.

I can’t believe you’re suggesting that it would make sense to trade both of RJ and IQ’s prime for likely 1 year of declining old man KD. Not calling you insane, but that idea of yours is absolutely bonkers and would set us back 5 years. I’m so glad smart people with real life experience are the ones actually deciding these things.

For all of you who think you know what’s up - know this - a team run by a fanbase collective would perennially be the leagues worst. Guaranteed.

1 year of KD > ceiling of any year of having RJ and IQ

What evidence have you seen that a team with IQ and RJ as a backcourt is ever going anywhere? IQ is the 18th best pg in the league and RJ (a score first sg) has had 1 season at (not even above) league average efficiency. Your argument borders on “Demar and Poeltl for Kawhi would set us back 5 years!”. IQ and RJ are expendable if it gets us close to title contention.

[ForeverTFC]

That's kinda where I sit, but I think between Masai's crush on Giannis, and Giannis' status, he declines the option and tries for a 5 year.

Overall I think KD is a better play based on risk, and the amount you'd have to give up for him. We could likely get away with something in the range of RJ/IQ instead of Scottie and picks, which then we could see how it works or even try and move Scottie afterwards for something better that fits. SMaller window for sure, but lower risk with a better chance at panning out IMO.

I can’t believe you’re suggesting that it would make sense to trade both of RJ and IQ’s prime for likely 1 year of declining old man KD. Not calling you insane, but that idea of yours is absolutely bonkers and would set us back 5 years. I’m so glad smart people with real life experience are the ones actually deciding these things.

For all of you who think you know what’s up - know this - a team run by a fanbase collective would perennially be the leagues worst. Guaranteed.

1 year of KD > ceiling of any year of having RJ and IQ

What evidence have you seen that a team with IQ and RJ as a backcourt is ever going anywhere? IQ is the 18th best pg in the league and RJ (a score first sg) has had 1 season at (not even above) league average efficiency. Your argument borders on “Demar and Poeltl for Kawhi would set us back 5 years!”. IQ and RJ are expendable if it gets us close to title contention.

Agree. Though my pushback to trading both would be that we won't have enough salary left to round out the roster around KD if we trade both to get him. You want to keep Barnes, Ingram and Poeltl alongside KD. If you trade both Barrett and IQ, all we have is rookie deals and minimums while being a lead guard short.

[Scase]

Giannis probably declines the player option and adds 3 years to his contract. That takes him to his age 35 season. So you're getting the end of his prime + 1 to 2 years at most of some decline. Contract should be fine but you need to start trying to win right away. I'm totally fine with this.

KD on the other hand is going into his age 37 season next year. Any extension for him takes him to 38, so the over 38 provision comes into play and he can extend for 2 more years max, taking him to 39. Any other player, I'd say no. But KD? If the price is right and you can make the team work around him such that you don't need him to defend and can live with 50 games a season with a healthy playoffs, I'd consider it.

That's kinda where I sit, but I think between Masai's crush on Giannis, and Giannis' status, he declines the option and tries for a 5 year.

Overall I think KD is a better play based on risk, and the amount you'd have to give up for him. We could likely get away with something in the range of RJ/IQ instead of Scottie and picks, which then we could see how it works or even try and move Scottie afterwards for something better that fits. SMaller window for sure, but lower risk with a better chance at panning out IMO.

I can’t believe you’re suggesting that it would make sense to trade both of RJ and IQ’s prime for likely 1 year of declining old man KD. Not calling you insane, but that idea of yours is absolutely bonkers and would set us back 5 years. I’m so glad smart people with real life experience are the ones actually deciding these things.

For all of you who think you know what’s up - know this - a team run by a fanbase collective would perennially be the leagues worst. Guaranteed.

I put a slash, not a plus for a reason. I was suggesting an either or, not both. But quite frankly, neither of them are players you hold onto if you can do something bigger. Moving RJ is clearly in the cards as well, they tried to move him in the BI trade, he's not as valuable as some of you seem to think.

I'll take a stab at KD over some mid tier players.

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[ConSarnit]

I can’t believe you’re suggesting that it would make sense to trade both of RJ and IQ’s prime for likely 1 year of declining old man KD. Not calling you insane, but that idea of yours is absolutely bonkers and would set us back 5 years. I’m so glad smart people with real life experience are the ones actually deciding these things.

For all of you who think you know what’s up - know this - a team run by a fanbase collective would perennially be the leagues worst. Guaranteed.

1 year of KD > ceiling of any year of having RJ and IQ

What evidence have you seen that a team with IQ and RJ as a backcourt is ever going anywhere? IQ is the 18th best pg in the league and RJ (a score first sg) has had 1 season at (not even above) league average efficiency. Your argument borders on “Demar and Poeltl for Kawhi would set us back 5 years!”. IQ and RJ are expendable if it gets us close to title contention.

Agree. Though my pushback to trading both would be that we won't have enough salary left to round out the roster around KD if we trade both to get him. You want to keep Barnes, Ingram and Poeltl alongside KD. If you trade both Barrett and IQ, all we have is rookie deals and minimums while being a lead guard short.

I think we’d definitely need a follow up move. Depending on who went out in a KD trade we’d probably have some combo of Dick/Walter/Agbaji/#9 or even a future 1st to find a lower level starting level PG. Could try to roll with Shead to start the season (not ideal) and use a re-signed Boucher as salary filler for an in-season trade. Maybe Walter can act as a 3+D pg as we won’t have a massive need for creation from that position. We’d probably also need to sign some type of tax MLE big.

[Raptors_Dynasty]

I think we have a 35% chance of getting him call me delulu. idc

[M3tro]

Giannis and KD.

Go big or go home.

[WuTang_OG]

Grange says theres legs to Giannis on JD bunkis .. thinks they could be open to putting Barnes in it. but hasnt :looked" into it

My guess is they dont want to jeapordize Barnes relationship. They would low key do it if Giannis says "I'm ready for you Masai"

Masai has to be smart about this .... and its gotta get done fast and not dragged thru the mud to hurt us

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/the-jd-bunkis-podcast/oilers-panthers-takeaways-lazy-leafs-bennett-fears-giannis-raptors-murmurs-and-nba-finals-preview-w-michael-grange/

[HangTime]

Grange says theres legs to Giannis on JD bunkis .. thinks they could be open to putting Barnes in it. but hasnt :looked" into it

My guess is they dont want to jeapordize Barnes relationship. They would low key do it if Giannis says "I'm ready for you Masai"

Masai has to be smart about this .... and its gotta get done fast and not dragged thru the mud to hurt us

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/the-jd-bunkis-podcast/oilers-panthers-takeaways-lazy-leafs-bennett-fears-giannis-raptors-murmurs-and-nba-finals-preview-w-michael-grange/

and just say no, if they ask for Scottie.

[PhilBlackson]

I'd rather we pursue Trey Murphy for a 1/3 of the price and a timeline that actually matches and retains most of our assets.

[Westside Gunn]

If Pascal wins the championship, I think Giannis himself will push for a trade to the Raptors, given that it is Masai who brought Pascal up via his basketball without borders program. Remember he said "Pascal's success is my success, no matter where"

It will be Giannis' best chance to win again

[Raps in 4]

I'd rather we pursue Trey Murphy for a 1/3 of the price and a timeline that actually matches and retains most of our assets.

Same. Unless Masai has an actual plan in place to build a contender here with Giannis (I just don't see it, given the lack of talent and thin asset base), I'd rather stay the course. We need to get much better before we start burning assets on a big "win now" move.

I do like the idea of trading for Trey Murphy. He's a potential breakout candidate.

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