Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[RichCollab]

I don’t add NAW if we still have KCP personally.

We need creation more.

I guess you could sign NAW to hedge a Suggs injury.

[89Magicfan]

Step 1 - Decline Moritz, Gary and CoJo
Step 2 - Trade KCP, Cole, 16 (begrudgingly) and 57 for Simons
Step 3 - Sign NAW for full MLE
Step 4 - Draft Walter Clayton Jr. at 25 and Amari Williams at 46
Step 5 - Resign Moe (less than he makes now)

New roster

G: Suggs, Black, Clayton
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, da Silva
F: Banchero, Isaac
C: Carter, Bitadze, Williams

Rehabbing: M. Wagner

Thoughts?

When it comes to realistic, it’s pretty spot on.

I have my doubts about the playmaking from the backcourt. Maybe Simons can bring out another level playing with Paolo/Franz.

[cedric76]

NAW deserves the MLE. $12 mil. per season is not an overpay. He’s an efficient scorer on a contender. Several teams will offer him that.

Tweet says 66 M over 4 years, so definitely more than 12M per year

Meant 14 mil.

4 for 66 is $16.5 mil. per. Over 4 years, that comes out to about a little over the MLE during that contract’s span. He will get the MLE offered by multiple teams.




I am not willing to easily include Black or Tristan in trade talks. Those are core pieces.

Hard pass

The only reason we inquired about him in February was because he was FREE AGENT TO BE and could have been available for cheap, this didnt happen becuase Mini was asking for too much. This summer is a different story, we want proven offensive players

You can all forget about NAW, not gonna happen

[VFX]

NAW deserves the MLE. $12 mil. per season is not an overpay. He’s an efficient scorer on a contender. Several teams will offer him that.

Tweet says 66 M over 4 years, so definitely more than 12M per year

I am not willing to easily include Black or Tristan in trade talks. Those are core pieces.

I like both of those players, but what makes you believe they are "core pieces".

"Core" isn't guys coming off the bench for the foreseeable future because you have undeniably better starting talent that you just paid.

I'm paying NAW $16m if it avoids having to pay AB $25m+ to be a backup wing defender.

[eyriq]

Step 1 - Decline Moritz, Gary and CoJo
Step 2 - Trade KCP, Cole, 16 (begrudgingly) and 57 for Simons
Step 3 - Sign NAW for full MLE
Step 4 - Draft Walter Clayton Jr. at 25 and Amari Williams at 46
Step 5 - Resign Moe (less than he makes now)

New roster

G: Suggs, Black, Clayton
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, da Silva
F: Banchero, Isaac
C: Carter, Bitadze, Williams

Rehabbing: M. Wagner

Thoughts?

This is a clean step forward. Simons upgrades the offense, NAW adds two-way depth, and the draft gives us upside at key positions. Moe returns on a lighter deal, and we keep flexibility while backing the core. Love it!

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Step 1 - Decline Moritz, Gary and CoJo
Step 2 - Trade KCP, Cole, 16 (begrudgingly) and 57 for Simons
Step 3 - Sign NAW for full MLE
Step 4 - Draft Walter Clayton Jr. at 25 and Amari Williams at 46
Step 5 - Resign Moe (less than he makes now)

New roster

G: Suggs, Black, Clayton
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, da Silva
F: Banchero, Isaac
C: Carter, Bitadze, Williams

Rehabbing: M. Wagner

Thoughts?

I'd rather send out Isaac vs KCP but that's my .2C I'd rather bet on 1 more year of KCP than Isaac.

there's 0 reason to draft Clayton if you're getting Simons while also having Black. You're not going to have enough minutes to develop Clayton and he'd be sent to Osceola immediately. I'd probably take best wing or C at 25 between Coward/Fleming/Raynaud/Clifford.

Guards- Simons, Suggs, KCP, NAW
Forwards- Franz, Paolo, NAW, Da Silva, 25th pick, Howard
C- WCJ, Goga..... rehab Moe W

Add in a 2nd round pick and a vet minimum?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Using the full MLE would hard cap the Magic at the first tax apron which is $195.9M.

So...

Decline Moritz, Gary, CoJo takes them from $199.3M to $177.3M

Signing NAW for the full $14.1 MLE brings them back up to $191.4 leaving them only $4.5M in available funds below the hard cap.

So long story short, whatever trade they decide to make for whatever guard, they're *very likely* going to be looking to send out more money than they take back in the deal. Which means they'll probably be sweetening it with additional draft picks.

Something like... KCP (21.6), Cole (13.1) and Jett (5.5) for Poole (31.8) would save the Magic $8.4M for 25-26 and put them $12.9M below the hard cap. That's enough to sign both first round picks (if they were to keep both picks) and a veteran minimum to round out the roster.

Or something like... KCP (21.6), Cole (13.1) and the 25th pick for Simons (27.6). That would shed $7.1M plus the $2.5M GTD for the 25th pick putting the Magic about $14.1M below the hard cap. That would probably allow them to make the 16th pick, resign Moe and also sign a veteran minimum.

Edit: completely forgot about Black

Scenario 1

I guess you sign a wing/big as vet. min.

Poole/Black/WCJ (#25)
Suggs/NAW/Coward (#16)
Wagner/TDS/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/vet min.
Carter/Bitazde/*Wagner

Scenario 2

Suggs/Black/Jakucionis (#16)
Simons/NAW/Howard
Wagner/TDS/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/vet min.
Carter/Bitazde/*Wagner


Scenario 1 por favor.

[Idiosyncratic]

Step 1 - Decline Moritz, Gary and CoJo
Step 2 - Trade KCP, Cole, 16 (begrudgingly) and 57 for Simons
Step 3 - Sign NAW for full MLE
Step 4 - Draft Walter Clayton Jr. at 25 and Amari Williams at 46
Step 5 - Resign Moe (less than he makes now)

New roster

G: Suggs, Black, Clayton
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, da Silva
F: Banchero, Isaac
C: Carter, Bitadze, Williams

Rehabbing: M. Wagner

Thoughts?

Yeah I think this is pretty realistic in what to expect and would be fine. 16 for Simons doesn't feel great, but may have to happen to shed salary. For me if Jase or Traore are available at 16 I am not making that trade, I would just outright rather have them on their rookie contracts even despite our pressing need for help now. Still could figure a guard trade out after the draft, maybe even Simons still. But other than that, seems pretty sound.

If they are truly willing to use the MLE, then keeping Goga instead of trading him for another wing that can shoot makes a lot of sense.

[Def Swami]

Step 1 - Decline Moritz, Gary and CoJo
Step 2 - Trade KCP, Cole, 16 (begrudgingly) and 57 for Simons
Step 3 - Sign NAW for full MLE
Step 4 - Draft Walter Clayton Jr. at 25 and Amari Williams at 46
Step 5 - Resign Moe (less than he makes now)

New roster

G: Suggs, Black, Clayton
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, da Silva
F: Banchero, Isaac
C: Carter, Bitadze, Williams

Rehabbing: M. Wagner

Thoughts?

Best case outcome for the offseason imo.

[mattdelray1220]

Step 1 - Decline Moritz, Gary and CoJo
Step 2 - Trade KCP, Cole, 16 (begrudgingly) and 57 for Simons
Step 3 - Sign NAW for full MLE
Step 4 - Draft Walter Clayton Jr. at 25 and Amari Williams at 46
Step 5 - Resign Moe (less than he makes now)

New roster

G: Suggs, Black, Clayton
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, da Silva
F: Banchero, Isaac
C: Carter, Bitadze, Williams

Rehabbing: M. Wagner

Thoughts?

Best case outcome for the offseason imo.

This is realistic but I think it will be Cole, Jett, Gary, 16. KCP moving to a back up role. Essentially, they get 16, Jett (prospect) and a 6th man type guard in cole for a year rental + Gary who is expiring and a good vet for them. Maybe Cole even sticks there. Or they lose Simons for nothing to FA? Maybe another team outbids us?

Also, why does everyone have Moe in rehab? Shouldn't he be back in September able to start working his way to legit practice time? Thats 7 weeks before the season. Who cares about Preseason. I wouldn't be shocked if he's ready night 1.

[Knightro]

This is realistic but I think it will be Cole, Jett, Gary, 16. KCP moving to a back up role. Essentially, they get 16, Jett (prospect) and a 6th man type guard in cole for a year rental + Gary who is expiring and a good vet for them. Maybe Cole even sticks there. Or they lose Simons for nothing to FA? Maybe another team outbids us?

Also, why does everyone have Moe in rehab? Shouldn't he be back in September able to start working his way to legit practice time? Thats 7 weeks before the season. Who cares about Preseason. I wouldn't be shocked if he's ready night 1.

Torn ACL can be anywhere from 9-12 months and Moe tore his ACL on December 22nd.

If everything goes perfect he's back at the start of the season, but I doubt they'll rush him.

[Knightro]

This is realistic but I think it will be Cole, Jett, Gary, 16. KCP moving to a back up role. Essentially, they get 16, Jett (prospect) and a 6th man type guard in cole for a year rental + Gary who is expiring and a good vet for them. Maybe Cole even sticks there. Or they lose Simons for nothing to FA? Maybe another team outbids us?

The Magic need to decline Gary's $7.5M team option to get far enough under the first apron to be able to use their full MLE which will hard cap them at the first apron.

Picking his option up and trading him doesn't help that because that's one fewer contract outgoing in a deal.

KCP staying would mean likely no full MLE usage.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

This is realistic but I think it will be Cole, Jett, Gary, 16. KCP moving to a back up role. Essentially, they get 16, Jett (prospect) and a 6th man type guard in cole for a year rental + Gary who is expiring and a good vet for them. Maybe Cole even sticks there. Or they lose Simons for nothing to FA? Maybe another team outbids us?

The Magic need to decline Gary's $7.5M team option to get far enough under the first apron to be able to use their full MLE which will hard cap them at the first apron.

Picking his option up and trading him doesn't help that because that's one fewer contract outgoing in a deal.

KCP staying would mean likely no full MLE usage.

Isaac contract is looking more and more like an outgoing 15M in any trade they make this summer. Cole + Isaac = 28M just enough money for that 20-25M range player that we seem to be looking at.

[AdamTheGreek]

Tweet says 66 M over 4 years, so definitely more than 12M per year

I am not willing to easily include Black or Tristan in trade talks. Those are core pieces.

I like both of those players, but what makes you believe they are "core pieces".

"Core" isn't guys coming off the bench for the foreseeable future because you have undeniably better starting talent that you just paid.

I'm paying NAW $16m if it avoids having to pay AB $25m+ to be a backup wing defender.

Core pieces are guys in your top 8.
Tristan is our backup SF who can start if injuries occur.
AB I see eventually starting within 18 months. For now he’s our the first guard off the bench.

[Skybox]

I would MUCH rather trade KCP than Isaac...his contract is bigger and his impact is lesser, imo, when Suggs returns.

Isaac is such a unique defensive machine...certainly not untouchable for a good trade, but not a dump in my opinion.

KCP would very simply make any team better...just a clear fiscal misstep for ORL that can hopefully be rectified at the same time we improve our offense.

[VFX]

Step 1 - Decline Moritz, Gary and CoJo
Step 2 - Trade KCP, Cole, 16 (begrudgingly) and 57 for Simons
Step 3 - Sign NAW for full MLE
Step 4 - Draft Walter Clayton Jr. at 25 and Amari Williams at 46
Step 5 - Resign Moe (less than he makes now)

New roster

G: Suggs, Black, Clayton
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, da Silva
F: Banchero, Isaac
C: Carter, Bitadze, Williams

Rehabbing: M. Wagner

Thoughts?

I’m fine with this.

It’s just kind of weird that none of the point guards are actually point guards.

[Skybox]

Step 1 - Decline Moritz, Gary and CoJo
Step 2 - Trade KCP, Cole, 16 (begrudgingly) and 57 for Simons
Step 3 - Sign NAW for full MLE
Step 4 - Draft Walter Clayton Jr. at 25 and Amari Williams at 46
Step 5 - Resign Moe (less than he makes now)

New roster

G: Suggs, Black, Clayton
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, da Silva
F: Banchero, Isaac
C: Carter, Bitadze, Williams

Rehabbing: M. Wagner

Thoughts?

That's a nice summer and completely realistic, imo...I'm not so sure I'd take Clayton after getting Simons. I'd be fine with him, but I'd want to base it on who drops (as I'm sure anybody would)...Ideally, I'd address the C spot and move out Goga too, but this would be nice.

[Knightro]

Step 1 - Decline Moritz, Gary and CoJo
Step 2 - Trade KCP, Cole, 16 (begrudgingly) and 57 for Simons
Step 3 - Sign NAW for full MLE
Step 4 - Draft Walter Clayton Jr. at 25 and Amari Williams at 46
Step 5 - Resign Moe (less than he makes now)

New roster

G: Suggs, Black, Clayton
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, da Silva
F: Banchero, Isaac
C: Carter, Bitadze, Williams

Rehabbing: M. Wagner

Thoughts?

That's a nice summer and completely realistic, imo...I'm not so sure I'd take Clayton after getting Simons. I'd be fine with him, but I'd want to base it on who drops (as I'm sure anybody would)...Ideally, I'd address the C spot and move out Goga too, but this would be nice.

Full disclosure... I basically pulled two names out of a hat when it comes to the draft.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I would MUCH rather trade KCP than Isaac...his contract is bigger and his impact is lesser, imo, when Suggs returns.

Isaac is such a unique defensive machine...certainly not untouchable for a good trade, but not a dump in my opinion.

KCP would very simply make any team better...just a clear fiscal misstep for ORL that can hopefully be rectified at the same time we improve our offense.

KCP at least provides something offensively though and has 2 years vs Isaac’s 4. Im keeping the more complete player even though his $ is bigger but shorter. You figure out who comes off the bench later.

I don’t believe this FO/ Coaching staff would ever play Isaac enough for him not to reach 52 games. They babied him last year and he was out of shape. What’s to say that’s not going to happen again.

Expiring KCP easier to move than a useless Isaac.

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