Shams: New York Knicks Fire Head Coach Tom Thibodeau

[hundreth]

It's become clear the Knicks could only get so far with Thibs. Dude was too stubborn to play his bench.

Maybe. But it’s also the farthest they have been this century.

It's amazing how some here can't hold two thoughts in their mind at the same time

[Wingy]

Damn it, Thibs!!

Showed tons of flexibility and adaptability changing your starting lineup in the Finals, and benching your bigs late.

Used your superior depth that your elite FO-gifted you. Even randomly threw in the rookie you developed this season…for no particularly good reason. He has played sparingly these playoffs…but you trusted your bench!

Then you blew a big lead at home to the Indiana Pacers. Wait, that was Daigneault.

[Mavrelous]

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[FrodoBaggins]

Coach RAPM shows that coaches can have a far greater impact on defense than they can on offense. Mike Fratello is the #1 ranked coach for DRAPM with a -4.0 per 100 impact. The top offensive coaches are George Karl and Sam Mitchell at +1.2 ORAPM.

Thibs is 13th all-time in the data set and 4th among current head coaches. However, his sample size is larger (13 seasons) and more diverse, spanning three separate teams. Therefore, his standard error (0.8) is lower than the three guys above him.

NYK may have fired the best coach in the NBA.

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[JujitsuFlip]

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[-Luke-]

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Carlisle is the president of the National Basketball Coaches Association. Pretty bad look on him to be responsible for all his colleagues getting fired, lol.

[JujitsuFlip]

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Carlisle is the president of the National Basketball Coaches Association. Pretty bad look on him to be responsible for all his colleagues getting fired, lol.

He needs to start losing right away hahahah

[kingr]

Pacers already won a game vs the heavy favorites, on the road...fire thibs, he didn't play his bench.

[LakerLegend]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/breaking-news/article/sources-some-knicks-players-werent-thrilled-with-tom-thibodeau-with-his-firing-being-spearheaded-by-owner-james-dolan-225418057.html

Just can't get out of his own way can he?

[BigGargamel]

Since when is an owner firing a coach breaking news?

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Since when is an owner firing a coach breaking news?

Its not but I think some people just want to tie anything bad to Dolan, since he was largely responsible for the disaster that was the Knicks of the 2000-2020 era.

I personally think firing Thibs was the wrong move (they overachieved and if anything, KAT is the guy that you could sell high on and do something with). There was a Bulls fan who had a good point, people have created this idea in their heads that Thibs can only be a coach for development and can't win with talent, but he's never really been given talent, he just gets teams to overachieve and they go back to sucking after he leaves (Bulls, T-Wolves, Knicks TBD).

[jkvonny]

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Interesting

[taikibansei]

Since when is an owner firing a coach breaking news?

Hmm...maybe when it's an owner firing a good coach without a plan in place to hire a better coach?

[Capn'O]

Since when is an owner firing a coach breaking news?

Its not but I think some people just want to tie anything bad to Dolan, since he was largely responsible for the disaster that was the Knicks of the 2000-2020 era.

I personally think firing Thibs was the wrong move (they overachieved and if anything, KAT is the guy that you could sell high on and do something with). There was a Bulls fan who had a good point, people have created this idea in their heads that Thibs can only be a coach for development and can't win with talent, but he's never really been given talent, he just gets teams to overachieve and they go back to sucking after he leaves (Bulls, T-Wolves, Knicks TBD).

I think it was absolutely true with the Bulls that he was the one holding it all together. There's an argument that he was responsible for some of the players falling apart but it was also pretty clear that he was holding together a failing franchise.

Minnesota was much more complicated in that Jimmy Butler forced his way out and this was in part due to the roster and situation that Manager Thibs had assembled. Then, the following season they were decimated by injuries and tanked.

Notably, there are not a lot of Wolves fans clamoring that Thibs' removal is going to set the Knicks back decades. After an unfortunate stint with Ryan Saunders they got Finch and new management/ownership (ok, and some good fortune in getting Edwards too) and are on great footings. I don't think they'd go back.

I think the answer for us is somewhere in the middle. Thibs is an excellent coach but the Knicks have healthy talent which wasn't the case in previous departures. Another solid coach should be able to get good results from this group. It would take a GREAT hire to improve substantially though.

[boomershadow]

Thibs was brought in to do just what he did. They likely figured this would have to happen at some point. But Thibs accomplished his mission.

[cupcakesnake]

Coach RAPM shows that coaches can have a far greater impact on defense than they can on offense. Mike Fratello is the #1 ranked coach for DRAPM with a -4.0 per 100 impact. The top offensive coaches are George Karl and Sam Mitchell at +1.2 ORAPM.

Thibs is 13th all-time in the data set and 4th among current head coaches. However, his sample size is larger (13 seasons) and more diverse, spanning three separate teams. Therefore, his standard error (0.8) is lower than the three guys above him.

NYK may have fired the best coach in the NBA.

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I don't think we can use this stat reliably to assess coaches. So much of these numbers would be tied to the state of the roster before and after the coach's time with the team. Obviously, the bigger the data gets, the more there is to think about, but even then the numbers can be so thrown off by things like: a coach leaving or joining right before a rebuild, a coach taking over a team that gets decimated by injuries, etc.

[JujitsuFlip]

Since when is an owner firing a coach breaking news?

Hmm...maybe when it's an owner firing a good coach without a plan in place to hire a better coach?

Eh, i think Johnnie Bryant has been the plan all along. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

[prophet_of_rage]

Since when is an owner firing a coach breaking news?

Hmm...maybe when it's an owner firing a good coach without a plan in place to hire a better coach?

Eh, i think Johnnie Bryant has been the plan all along. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

I don't thi k that is the case. You son't need snoke and mirrors for him.

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[taikibansei]

Since when is an owner firing a coach breaking news?

Hmm...maybe when it's an owner firing a good coach without a plan in place to hire a better coach?

Eh, i think Johnnie Bryant has been the plan all along. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Hope that's true!

[Knicks365247]

It’s gonna be Kidd.

And I’m going to become a Brooklyn Nets fan.