OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT

[maxpower8888]

Great player but anti-vaxxer so we'll remember him that way. LOL

Personally, I'll remember him way more for being the tennis GOAT

[durden_tyler]

Great player but anti-vaxxer so we'll remember him that way. LOL

Personally, I'll remember him way more for being the tennis GOAT

Still Federer for me.

[-Luke-]

We have really reached undisputed GOAT status if "anti-vaxxer" is the only "argument" against him.

[maxpower8888]

Great player but anti-vaxxer so we'll remember him that way. LOL

Personally, I'll remember him way more for being the tennis GOAT

Still Federer for me.

That's a personal choice, objectively Djokovic is the GOAT.

- Most grand slams
- Most big titles
- Most weeks at #1
- Most year-end #1 rankings
- Winning head-to-head record against both Fed and Nadal
- Highest peak elo rating

In any other sport, the person that wins the most titles while also winning the most personal accolades is given their flowers, but tennis fans seem to try to keep this debate going even though it has been put to bed three years ago.

[durden_tyler]

Personally, I'll remember him way more for being the tennis GOAT

Still Federer for me.

That's a personal choice, objectively Djokovic is the GOAT.

- Most grand slams
- Most big titles
- Most weeks at #1
- Most year-end #1 rankings
- Winning head-to-head record against both Fed and Nadal
- Highest peak elo rating

In any other sport, the person that wins the most titles while also winning the most personal accolades is given their flowers, but tennis fans seem to try to keep this debate going even though it has been put to bed three years ago.

i don't disagree, he likely is the GOAT in that sport. Now lose to Sinner in 4 sets or less so i can win my bet. LOL

[BelgradeNugget]

Great player but anti-vaxxer so we'll remember him that way. LOL

I have been watching JFK in front of american congress talking about Fizer vaccines. From what I've heard anti-vaxxer will not be bad conotation any more.
BTW I recived 2 vaccines before geting Covid. After I realised they don't work for Omicron variance I didn't have booster.
You do whetever they tell you, never question, right?

[durden_tyler]

I have been watching JFK in front of american congress talking about Fizer vaccines. ?

[BelgradeNugget]

I have been watching JFK in front of american congress talking about Fizer vaccines. ?

I have been watching JRFKjr in front of american congress talking about Fizer Pfizer vaccines. Interesting staff.

[Wingy]

I have been watching JFK in front of american congress talking about Fizer vaccines. ?

I have been watching JRFKjr in front of american congress talking about Fizer Pfizer vaccines. Interesting staff.

JFKJ. An unbiased source of info for sure.

[NYPiston]

38 years old and in the semis at the French. This is unreal stuff

He's not human. Zverev is an all time choker who can't play big matches but the mental hold Djokovic still has on his opponents (see the Olympic Gold Medal match and the Aussie QF against Alcaraz as examples) is remarkable, we won't see another tennis player like this in our lifetimes. He's the Michael Jordan of tennis, wears you down physically then takes your soul. If he somehow beats Sinner and then likely Alcaraz in the finals, this would arguably be the greatest Slam run of all time especially taking into context that he's freaking 38 years old.

[BelgradeNugget]

I have been watching JRFKjr in front of american congress talking about Fizer Pfizer vaccines. Interesting staff.

JFKJ. An unbiased source of info for sure.

Look now, it is big question which source is unbiasted. Maybe listen to different sources, using brain to make conclusion, and never trust 100% any side.

[bledredwine]

More than not recognising when 1 player in individual sport has all the records while playing at the same time as other 2 you mentioned.
And he doubled Sampras in everything that counts in tennis, while playing against 2nd and 3rd best of all time.
There is no such thing as clear GOAT in any sport except man's tennis, and Novak is the one.
No argument there

Plenty of argument here. Djokovic had no one strong like Federer or Nadal in their prime. In a single man sport, that’s plenty of argument. And lol at the other comment when you have Ruth, Pele, Gretzky and Jordan. But you’re just that much of a fanboy! Very bad argument so far, and bad delivery in the “no argument” comment. No, what you say is not hearsay. Sorry to burst your bubble but everyone here has an equal say.

I don’t even know much about tennis, but even to me it’s obvious that Djokovic isn’t some all dominant GOAT.

Even in this thread, it’s “becomes the undisputed GOAT. Yeah, if he became it after one event, he was never a GOAT to begin with. GOAT is all time. They dominate and everyone’s merely waiting for a couple of awards before beginning to proclaim. That’s how dominant legit GOAT candidates are. You’ll see.

This is all you got right here.

I don’t even know much about tennis.

So let's see how things stand in basketball

1. Best stats ever - Wilt Chamberlain
2. Most championship as the best player on a team - Bill Rusell

But people are arguing about Jordan or LeBron. Now in team sport quality of teammates is important. And quality of competittion/era is also important.

In tennis here are biggest achivements, and leader in those stats

1. Number of weaks at the No 1 - Djokovic
2. Number of year end No 1 - Djokovic
3. Number of Grend Slams won - Djokovic
4. Number of Year end tournament trophys - Djokovic
5. Nubber of ATP 1000 torunaments won - Djokovic
6. The most ATP points in a week ever (highest peak) - Djokovic

He did it in the hardest era of men's tennis competing with 2 undesputed 2nd and 3rd best players ever

Federer - 2nd ever in weaks at the No 1, and 3rd in Number of Grend Slams won
Nadal - 2nd ever in Grend Slams won, and undisputed GOAT of clay courts

Novak first become 1st in atp points when Federer was 29yo in his prime and Nadal was 25, by taking the first place on atp list from Federer.
He is having better h2h score against both of them. Complited non calendar year grand-slam non of them achived.

This thread started when he won Olympich gold, only thing missing in his resume.

So to conclude, he is UNDESPUTED GOAT, and you don't know much about tennis.
BTW don't call me a fanboy, call me nice and educated poster willing to spend his time to teach you something
You're welcome

That’s a lot of cherry picking and of course more trophies and accolades are won in an individual sport— common sense.

Jordan has all of the above covered-
Championships
Offensive accolades
Defensive accolades
Advanced stats

Either first or at worst top three in all of those (site there are some repeat DPOY but only 1 other 9 time 1st team defense)

So yeah, Jordan’s a hell of a lot more dominant that Djokovic.

[NBA_is_cringe]

Plenty of argument here. Djokovic had no one strong like Federer or Nadal in their prime. In a single man sport, that’s plenty of argument. And lol at the other comment when you have Ruth, Pele, Gretzky and Jordan. But you’re just that much of a fanboy! Very bad argument so far, and bad delivery in the “no argument” comment. No, what you say is not hearsay. Sorry to burst your bubble but everyone here has an equal say.

I don’t even know much about tennis, but even to me it’s obvious that Djokovic isn’t some all dominant GOAT.

Even in this thread, it’s “becomes the undisputed GOAT. Yeah, if he became it after one event, he was never a GOAT to begin with. GOAT is all time. They dominate and everyone’s merely waiting for a couple of awards before beginning to proclaim. That’s how dominant legit GOAT candidates are. You’ll see.

This is all you got right here.

I don’t even know much about tennis.

So let's see how things stand in basketball

1. Best stats ever - Wilt Chamberlain
2. Most championship as the best player on a team - Bill Rusell

But people are arguing about Jordan or LeBron. Now in team sport quality of teammates is important. And quality of competittion/era is also important.

In tennis here are biggest achivements, and leader in those stats

1. Number of weaks at the No 1 - Djokovic
2. Number of year end No 1 - Djokovic
3. Number of Grend Slams won - Djokovic
4. Number of Year end tournament trophys - Djokovic
5. Nubber of ATP 1000 torunaments won - Djokovic
6. The most ATP points in a week ever (highest peak) - Djokovic

He did it in the hardest era of men's tennis competing with 2 undesputed 2nd and 3rd best players ever

Federer - 2nd ever in weaks at the No 1, and 3rd in Number of Grend Slams won
Nadal - 2nd ever in Grend Slams won, and undisputed GOAT of clay courts

Novak first become 1st in atp points when Federer was 29yo in his prime and Nadal was 25, by taking the first place on atp list from Federer.
He is having better h2h score against both of them. Complited non calendar year grand-slam non of them achived.

This thread started when he won Olympich gold, only thing missing in his resume.

So to conclude, he is UNDESPUTED GOAT, and you don't know much about tennis.
BTW don't call me a fanboy, call me nice and educated poster willing to spend his time to teach you something
You're welcome

That’s a lot of cherry picking and of course more trophies and accolades are won in an individual sport— common sense.

Jordan has all of the above covered-
Championships
Offensive accolades
Defensive accolades
Advanced stats

Either first or at worst top three in all of those (site there are some repeat DPOY but only 1 other 9 time 1st team defense)

So yeah, Jordan’s a hell of a lot more dominant that Djokovic.

jordan is arguably not the goat of basketball but no one argues that djokovic is not the goat of tennis

[Ferulci]

I'm a Federer fan and to me, he's the romantic ideal of what Tennis should be, but let's not kid ourselves, Djokovic is the G.O.A.T. Not the most dominant on a single surface (that would be Nadal), maybe not the absolute peak (still Federer to me but that is arguable) but when you check, Grand Chelems, consistency, longevity, records against Nadal/Federer, it's not really an argument.
It doesn't take anything away from Roger or Nadal though.

[maxpower8888]

Plenty of argument here. Djokovic had no one strong like Federer or Nadal in their prime. In a single man sport, that’s plenty of argument. And lol at the other comment when you have Ruth, Pele, Gretzky and Jordan. But you’re just that much of a fanboy! Very bad argument so far, and bad delivery in the “no argument” comment. No, what you say is not hearsay. Sorry to burst your bubble but everyone here has an equal say.

I don’t even know much about tennis, but even to me it’s obvious that Djokovic isn’t some all dominant GOAT.

Even in this thread, it’s “becomes the undisputed GOAT. Yeah, if he became it after one event, he was never a GOAT to begin with. GOAT is all time. They dominate and everyone’s merely waiting for a couple of awards before beginning to proclaim. That’s how dominant legit GOAT candidates are. You’ll see.

This is all you got right here.

I don’t even know much about tennis.

So let's see how things stand in basketball

1. Best stats ever - Wilt Chamberlain
2. Most championship as the best player on a team - Bill Rusell

But people are arguing about Jordan or LeBron. Now in team sport quality of teammates is important. And quality of competittion/era is also important.

In tennis here are biggest achivements, and leader in those stats

1. Number of weaks at the No 1 - Djokovic
2. Number of year end No 1 - Djokovic
3. Number of Grend Slams won - Djokovic
4. Number of Year end tournament trophys - Djokovic
5. Nubber of ATP 1000 torunaments won - Djokovic
6. The most ATP points in a week ever (highest peak) - Djokovic

He did it in the hardest era of men's tennis competing with 2 undesputed 2nd and 3rd best players ever

Federer - 2nd ever in weaks at the No 1, and 3rd in Number of Grend Slams won
Nadal - 2nd ever in Grend Slams won, and undisputed GOAT of clay courts

Novak first become 1st in atp points when Federer was 29yo in his prime and Nadal was 25, by taking the first place on atp list from Federer.
He is having better h2h score against both of them. Complited non calendar year grand-slam non of them achived.

This thread started when he won Olympich gold, only thing missing in his resume.

So to conclude, he is UNDESPUTED GOAT, and you don't know much about tennis.
BTW don't call me a fanboy, call me nice and educated poster willing to spend his time to teach you something
You're welcome

That’s a lot of cherry picking and of course more trophies and accolades are won in an individual sport— common sense.

Jordan has all of the above covered-
Championships
Offensive accolades
Defensive accolades
Advanced stats

Either first or at worst top three in all of those (site there are some repeat DPOY but only 1 other 9 time 1st team defense)

So yeah, Jordan’s a hell of a lot more dominant that Djokovic.

Actually that's not true. If you were to compare what Djokovic has done in tennis to what Jordan did in the NBA, it would be the equivalent to Jordan having:

- The most rings of all time
- The most Finals MVPs of all time
- The most MVPs of all time
- The most All-NBA First Team selections of all time

Djokovic has dominated tennis more than MJ dominated basketball.

[p0peye]

This is all you got right here.



So let's see how things stand in basketball

1. Best stats ever - Wilt Chamberlain
2. Most championship as the best player on a team - Bill Rusell

But people are arguing about Jordan or LeBron. Now in team sport quality of teammates is important. And quality of competittion/era is also important.

In tennis here are biggest achivements, and leader in those stats

1. Number of weaks at the No 1 - Djokovic
2. Number of year end No 1 - Djokovic
3. Number of Grend Slams won - Djokovic
4. Number of Year end tournament trophys - Djokovic
5. Nubber of ATP 1000 torunaments won - Djokovic
6. The most ATP points in a week ever (highest peak) - Djokovic

He did it in the hardest era of men's tennis competing with 2 undesputed 2nd and 3rd best players ever

Federer - 2nd ever in weaks at the No 1, and 3rd in Number of Grend Slams won
Nadal - 2nd ever in Grend Slams won, and undisputed GOAT of clay courts

Novak first become 1st in atp points when Federer was 29yo in his prime and Nadal was 25, by taking the first place on atp list from Federer.
He is having better h2h score against both of them. Complited non calendar year grand-slam non of them achived.

This thread started when he won Olympich gold, only thing missing in his resume.

So to conclude, he is UNDESPUTED GOAT, and you don't know much about tennis.
BTW don't call me a fanboy, call me nice and educated poster willing to spend his time to teach you something
You're welcome

That’s a lot of cherry picking and of course more trophies and accolades are won in an individual sport— common sense.

Jordan has all of the above covered-
Championships
Offensive accolades
Defensive accolades
Advanced stats

Either first or at worst top three in all of those (site there are some repeat DPOY but only 1 other 9 time 1st team defense)

So yeah, Jordan’s a hell of a lot more dominant that Djokovic.

Actually that's not true. If you were to compare what Djokovic has done in tennis to what Jordan did in the NBA, it would be the equivalent to Jordan having:

- The most rings of all time
- The most Finals MVPs of all time
- The most MVPs of all time
- The most All-NBA First Team selections of all time

Djokovic has dominated tennis more than MJ dominated basketball.

And beaten next 2 guys on the list in direct H2H.

[Sgt Major]

"Federer had the most beautiful game" narrative started once he fell behind Novak stats wise.

Roger actually benefited from the weak crop when the other two were youngins. Once they got older, they started beating his ass left and right. I remember that I watched Wimbledon finals he played against Mark Philippoussis lol in something like 2002 or 2003.

Nadal is just a year older than Djokovic, so there's that.

From 2011 onwards, Novak has been clearly the best of the three and all the titles that he won confirm that he's clearly the GOAT.

[Raps in 4]

"Federer had the most beautiful game" narrative started once he fell behind Novak stats wise.

Roger actually benefited from the weak crop when the other two were youngins. Once they got older, they started beating his ass left and right. I remember that I watched Wimbledon finals he played against Mark Philippoussis lol in something like 2002 or 2003.

Nadal is just a year older than Djokovic, so there's that.

From 2011 onwards, Novak has been clearly the best of the three and all the titles that he won confirm that he's clearly the GOAT.

My favourite is when Fed fans argue that the scrubs he was beating up on from 2003-2007 were somehow better than the scrubs Novak was beating up on from 2020-2023. Thiem, Medvedev, Zverev, Stefanos, etc. are in the same tier as the bums Fed faced. And it was only for a period of four years. Before that he had to contend against prime Murray, prime Nadal, and old Fed and after that he was going up against a young Alcaraz and Sinner (two future ATGs).

[p0peye]

This post-game conference from 2011 always comes to my mind when people talk about Federer. Absolutely disgusting.

Watch on YouTube

[Raps in 4]

This post-game conference from 2011 always comes to my mind when people talk about Federer. Absolutely disgusting.

Watch on YouTube

I always find it funny when Federer fans say this version of Federer, at age 30, was a shadow of his former self and shouldn't have been expected to beat Novak or Nadal anymore. He was still absolutely elite (and ended up winning 4 grand slams in his 30s). He held match points against Novak in the USO SFs in both 2011 and 2012 (and lost both times). You can't play at that level if you're washed. He regularly beat both Novak and Nadal throughout his 30s. His mental game was just weaker, which showed in the big matches. Hell, he had multiple match points against Novak in the 2019 Wimbledon finals at age 38 (but again, couldn't close). Dude could absolutely still play in his 30s.

I'm not saying 30s Federer was as good as prime Federer. I'm saying he was still a top-4 player who could hang with Novak, Nadal, and Murray on any given day, and absolutely could have won more slams with a stronger mental game.