Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[pepe1991]

The Kings had the 9th pick, and every mock had him going 9th. He was even in California working out with Harrison Barnes.

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Is this another version of history? Thats what i also believed at first then someone or somewhere wrote that we were all wrong. The mystery team that made a promise to Franz was never SAC but it ORL instead. Everyomr just assumed it was SAC.

Franz was projected to go late lotto to mid first round before the draft promise circled in on Sacramento.

i went to see some mocks from that time period.

7-9 was his most common projection.

[RookieStar]

The Kings had the 9th pick, and every mock had him going 9th. He was even in California working out with Harrison Barnes.

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Is this another version of history? Thats what i also believed at first then someone or somewhere wrote that we were all wrong. The mystery team that made a promise to Franz was never SAC but it ORL instead. Everyomr just assumed it was SAC.

Franz was projected to go late lotto to mid first round before the draft promise circled in on Sacramento.

Projected by so called draft experts who thought Jabari was better than Paolo?

Cmon.. we dont know team GMs projections because they dont post itnunlike those media people..

[fendilim]

Is this another version of history? Thats what i also believed at first then someone or somewhere wrote that we were all wrong. The mystery team that made a promise to Franz was never SAC but it ORL instead. Everyomr just assumed it was SAC.

Franz was projected to go late lotto to mid first round before the draft promise circled in on Sacramento.

Projected by so called draft experts who thought Jabari was better than Paolo?

Cmon.. we dont know team GMs projections because they dont post itnunlike those media people..

true. Just reiterating what bballrob said that Weltman deserves the credit for drafting Franz.

[RookieStar]

Franz was projected to go late lotto to mid first round before the draft promise circled in on Sacramento.

Projected by so called draft experts who thought Jabari was better than Paolo?

Cmon.. we dont know team GMs projections because they dont post itnunlike those media people..

true. Just reiterating what bballrob said that Weltman deserves the credit for drafting Franz.

Yeah.. i think he does

[RichCollab]

Franz was a great pick at 8. I don’t care if he was predicted to be top 3.

Trying to discount how great Franz was at 8 is some crazy hate.

[Jaxfann]

Magic definitely need help scoring in off season but hard to see them getting any top player without losing Suggs in the trade.
The loss of Suggs would be far greater than his playing ability alone - the loss of his intangible effect on team fight and resolve will be substantial!

[fendilim]

Magic definitely need help scoring in off season but hard to see them getting any top player without losing Suggs in the trade.
The loss of Suggs would be far greater than his playing ability alone - the loss of his intangible effect on team fight and resolve will be substantial!

I agree. Suggs is infectious on the court. And it was pretty evident last year that after he went down, the team lost its engine.

[Jaxfann]

A very good example of his value.

I hope they can keep him and that he can stay away from further serious injuries (will be hard to do though with the intensity with which he plays)

[MagicTownBaller]

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[RookieStar]

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Maybe that's why there is no smoke from us with FRP rookies... we trading them!!

Strap in boys!!!

[Darth Magic]

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Haven't been this excited since the Amway Center was on lockdown for the Chris Paul to Orlando trade

[jezzerinho]

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You only need buckle up if travelling in an electric wheelchair up a hill frightens you. Otherwise, as you were....

[GelbeWand09]

Magic definitely need help scoring in off season but hard to see them getting any top player without losing Suggs in the trade.
The loss of Suggs would be far greater than his playing ability alone - the loss of his intangible effect on team fight and resolve will be substantial!

I agree. Suggs is infectious on the court. And it was pretty evident last year that after he went down, the team lost its engine.

That isnt right if you watch it closer. The reason the team sucked at that time was on one side they lost one of their few good players and with him the only guard with penetration ability + his defense and intensity but the major part was both stars coming back rusty. Paolo was the most inefficient high volume scorer in the leaque by far, while playing Anfernee Simon's like defense.
Paolos play in combination with his volume and play style pretty much tanked the whole team at the time. As soon as he got better and Franz found his elite defense again this team was one of the top 2 - 3 defensive teams again by any statitically metric and won games. As much as I love Suggs but his influence is much more legend building than actual facts. Even by individual advanced metrics he is only slightly positive.

[fendilim]

Magic definitely need help scoring in off season but hard to see them getting any top player without losing Suggs in the trade.
The loss of Suggs would be far greater than his playing ability alone - the loss of his intangible effect on team fight and resolve will be substantial!

I agree. Suggs is infectious on the court. And it was pretty evident last year that after he went down, the team lost its engine.

That isnt right if you watch it closer. The reason the team sucked at that time was on one side they lost one of their few good players and with him the only guard with penetration ability + his defense and intensity but the major part was both stars coming back rusty. Paolo was the most inefficient high volume scorer in the leaque by far, while playing Anfernee Simon's like defense.
Paolos play in combination with his volume and play style pretty much tanked the whole team at the time. As soon as he got better and Franz found his elite defense again this team was one of the top 2 - 3 defensive teams again by any statitically metric and won games. As much as I love Suggs but his influence is much more legend building than actual facts. Even by individual advanced metrics he is only slightly positive.

yes they were rusty. But still doesnt change the fact that they did play without energy once Suggs went down and it took a while for them to regain that momentum.

[Darth Magic]

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[RookieStar]

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Its happening. Finally we have confirmation we are calling other teams. Lol

[eyriq]

I tried to pull together a list of TPE's that we could target for salary dumps.

Team: Atlanta Hawks
TPE Value: $25,266,266
Expiration Date: July 7, 2025
Source Trade: Dejounte Murray trade with New Orleans Pelicans

Team: Brooklyn Nets
TPE Value: $23,300,000
Expiration Date: July 7, 2025
Source Trade: Mikal Bridges trade with New York Knicks

Team: Chicago Bulls
TPE Value: $17,186,573
Expiration Date: February 3, 2026
Source Trade: Zach LaVine trade with Sacramento Kings

Team: Sacramento Kings
TPE Value: $16,830,357
Expiration Date: February 3, 2026
Source Trade: Kevin Huerter trade with Chicago Bulls

Team: Miami Heat
TPE Value: $16,070,814
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Jimmy Butler trade with Golden State Warriors

Team: Atlanta Hawks
TPE Value: $13,101,561
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Bogdan Bogdanovic trade with Los Angeles Clippers

Team: New Orleans Pelicans
TPE Value: $13,016,200
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Brandon Ingram trade with Toronto Raptors

Team: Dallas Mavericks
TPE Value: $11,000,000
Expiration Date: February 3, 2026
Source Trade: Maxi Kleber trade with Los Angeles Lakers

Team: New Orleans Pelicans
TPE Value: $9,900,000
Expiration Date: July 7, 2025
Source Trade: Jonas Valančiūnas trade with Washington Wizards

Team: Washington Wizards
TPE Value: $9,900,000
Expiration Date: February 5, 2026
Source Trade: Jonas Valančiūnas trade with Sacramento Kings

Team: Minnesota Timberwolves
TPE Value: $8,780,488
Expiration Date: July 6, 2025
Source Trade: Kyle Anderson trade with Golden State Warriors

Team: Golden State Warriors
TPE Value: $8,780,488
Expiration Date: February 26, 2026
Source Trade: Kyle Anderson trade with Miami Heat

Team: Cleveland Cavaliers
TPE Value: $8,500,000
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Georges Niang trade with Atlanta Hawks

Team: Philadelphia 76ers
TPE Value: $7,975,000
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Kenyon Martin Jr. trade with Utah Jazz

Team: Memphis Grizzlies
TPE Value: $7,710,285
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Marcus Smart trade with Washington Wizards

Team: Milwaukee Bucks
TPE Value: $7,210,606
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Khris Middleton trade with Washington Wizards

Team: Dallas Mavericks
TPE Value: $7,006,589
Expiration Date: July 6, 2025
Source Trade: Tim Hardaway Jr. trade with Detroit Pistons

Team: Portland Trail Blazers
TPE Value: $6,875,000
Expiration Date: July 6, 2025
Source Trade: Malcolm Brogdon trade with Washington Wizards

Team: Los Angeles Clippers
TPE Value: $6,539,000
Expiration Date: February 2, 2026
Source Trade: PJ Tucker trade with Utah Jazz

Team: Memphis Grizzlies
TPE Value: $6,133,005
Expiration Date: July 19, 2025
Source Trade: Ziaire Williams trade with Brooklyn Nets

Team: Sacramento Kings
TPE Value: $5,893,768
Expiration Date: July 8, 2025
Source Trade: Chris Duarte trade with Chicago Bulls

Team: Denver Nuggets
TPE Value: $5,250,000
Expiration Date: July 6, 2025
Source Trade: Reggie Jackson trade with Charlotte Hornets

[Blue_and_Whte]

I agree. Suggs is infectious on the court. And it was pretty evident last year that after he went down, the team lost its engine.

That isnt right if you watch it closer. The reason the team sucked at that time was on one side they lost one of their few good players and with him the only guard with penetration ability + his defense and intensity but the major part was both stars coming back rusty. Paolo was the most inefficient high volume scorer in the leaque by far, while playing Anfernee Simon's like defense.
Paolos play in combination with his volume and play style pretty much tanked the whole team at the time. As soon as he got better and Franz found his elite defense again this team was one of the top 2 - 3 defensive teams again by any statitically metric and won games. As much as I love Suggs but his influence is much more legend building than actual facts. Even by individual advanced metrics he is only slightly positive.

yes they were rusty. But still doesnt change the fact that they did play without energy once Suggs went down and it took a while for them to regain that momentum.

Suggs impact on the team in terms of energy, effort, and intensity and how it drives his teammates is not a myth or legend. It’s fact. You have to be blind or dumb not to see how the team responds to how he plays.
He sets the standard and sparks his guys to match his defensive intensity and constantly referred to as the heart and soul of the team. WTF are people actually talking about?

[Knightro]

I tried to pull together a list of TPE's that we could target for salary dumps.

Team: Atlanta Hawks
TPE Value: $25,266,266
Expiration Date: July 7, 2025
Source Trade: Dejounte Murray trade with New Orleans Pelicans

Team: Brooklyn Nets
TPE Value: $23,300,000
Expiration Date: July 7, 2025
Source Trade: Mikal Bridges trade with New York Knicks

Team: Chicago Bulls
TPE Value: $17,186,573
Expiration Date: February 3, 2026
Source Trade: Zach LaVine trade with Sacramento Kings

Team: Sacramento Kings
TPE Value: $16,830,357
Expiration Date: February 3, 2026
Source Trade: Kevin Huerter trade with Chicago Bulls

Team: Miami Heat
TPE Value: $16,070,814
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Jimmy Butler trade with Golden State Warriors

Team: Atlanta Hawks
TPE Value: $13,101,561
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Bogdan Bogdanovic trade with Los Angeles Clippers

Team: New Orleans Pelicans
TPE Value: $13,016,200
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Brandon Ingram trade with Toronto Raptors

Team: Dallas Mavericks
TPE Value: $11,000,000
Expiration Date: February 3, 2026
Source Trade: Maxi Kleber trade with Los Angeles Lakers

Team: New Orleans Pelicans
TPE Value: $9,900,000
Expiration Date: July 7, 2025
Source Trade: Jonas Valančiūnas trade with Washington Wizards

Team: Washington Wizards
TPE Value: $9,900,000
Expiration Date: February 5, 2026
Source Trade: Jonas Valančiūnas trade with Sacramento Kings

Team: Minnesota Timberwolves
TPE Value: $8,780,488
Expiration Date: July 6, 2025
Source Trade: Kyle Anderson trade with Golden State Warriors

Team: Golden State Warriors
TPE Value: $8,780,488
Expiration Date: February 26, 2026
Source Trade: Kyle Anderson trade with Miami Heat

Team: Cleveland Cavaliers
TPE Value: $8,500,000
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Georges Niang trade with Atlanta Hawks

Team: Philadelphia 76ers
TPE Value: $7,975,000
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Kenyon Martin Jr. trade with Utah Jazz

Team: Memphis Grizzlies
TPE Value: $7,710,285
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Marcus Smart trade with Washington Wizards

Team: Milwaukee Bucks
TPE Value: $7,210,606
Expiration Date: February 6, 2026
Source Trade: Khris Middleton trade with Washington Wizards

Team: Dallas Mavericks
TPE Value: $7,006,589
Expiration Date: July 6, 2025
Source Trade: Tim Hardaway Jr. trade with Detroit Pistons

Team: Portland Trail Blazers
TPE Value: $6,875,000
Expiration Date: July 6, 2025
Source Trade: Malcolm Brogdon trade with Washington Wizards

Team: Los Angeles Clippers
TPE Value: $6,539,000
Expiration Date: February 2, 2026
Source Trade: PJ Tucker trade with Utah Jazz

Team: Memphis Grizzlies
TPE Value: $6,133,005
Expiration Date: July 19, 2025
Source Trade: Ziaire Williams trade with Brooklyn Nets

Team: Sacramento Kings
TPE Value: $5,893,768
Expiration Date: July 8, 2025
Source Trade: Chris Duarte trade with Chicago Bulls

Team: Denver Nuggets
TPE Value: $5,250,000
Expiration Date: July 6, 2025
Source Trade: Reggie Jackson trade with Charlotte Hornets

Good info here.

I just can't totally wrap my head around sacrificing what would likely be one of this year's first round picks just to move off a contract to create the MLE when they can just decline multiple non-essential team options and accomplish the same thing.

[eyriq]

Good info here.

I just can't totally wrap my head around sacrificing what would likely be one of this year's first round picks just to move off a contract to create the MLE when they can just decline multiple non-essential team options and accomplish the same thing.

Agreed. The only rationale that really tracks for me is if they're trying to open up the NT-MLE and preserve enough cap space to re-sign Moritz. That kind of flexibility might be tough to achieve just by declining team options.