Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Knightro]

The trades to duck the tax thing is interesting.

They are currently $11.4M over the tax. Hard to envision a trade where they can take back that much less than they send out.

[Knightro]

So instead of declining Harris/Joseph there options will be picked up to then be included in conjunction in a trade where Orlando receives less than what they send out?

I wonder if Minny is interested in S&T NAW to not lose him for nothing.

That’s what it sounds like potentially.

Or maybe the Magic have talked to teams with cap space (of which there aren’t many) and they’re willing to take on a contract like Cole or Isaac for no return in exchange for a draft pick from the Magic.

Nets.

They will have issues reaching salary floor but need talent. And picks.

They have 8# pick, 19# pick, 26# pick and 27# pick.

If they get 16/25 they can package it to move up or just outright draft lot of young players.

So something like… Cole and Jett + a first into the Nets cap space?

But does that even make sense?

Are Moritz, Gary and CoJo so valuable that you’d rather pay a first to dump other contracts than just decline their options?

I think I’d rather just decline the options…

[pepe1991]

That’s what it sounds like potentially.

Or maybe the Magic have talked to teams with cap space (of which there aren’t many) and they’re willing to take on a contract like Cole or Isaac for no return in exchange for a draft pick from the Magic.

Nets.

They will have issues reaching salary floor but need talent. And picks.

They have 8# pick, 19# pick, 26# pick and 27# pick.

If they get 16/25 they can package it to move up or just outright draft lot of young players.

So something like… Cole and Jett + a first into the Nets cap space?

But does that even make sense?

Are Moritz, Gary and CoJo so valuable that you’d rather pay a first to dump other contracts than just decline their options?

I think I’d rather just decline the options…

That would be such a terrible deal.

I'm okey with moving like Cole + 25 to get Mortiz and Joseph back. But i would not even give up Jett.

For all intent and purposes, guy used to be 11# pick. That dump-off just to not pay luxury would send such a negative message to Franz and Paolo.

[eyriq]

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Salary dump trades... Whoa...

[Knightro]

The only reason to do salary dump trades would be if you have plans to play Moritz, Gary and CoJo next year.

And if that’s the case… I dunno man.

[cedric76]

It is SOOOOOO hard to make moves and still be under the 1st apron, i look forward to seeing what Jeff can do

I ve been playing a lot with Multi Year Spreadsheet, to make sure the moves look good for the next 3 yrs, Franz + Paolo s contract are no joke

If/when he get his full max, next season (26-27), Paolo+Franz+suggs 's contracts will be equivalent to 73.5% of the cap (125 M total), with a 1st apron at 125% of the cap (215 M).

So you need to pay 12 players with around 90 M, that s an average of 7.5 M per player (when you know that the minimum you can offer to vets like Cojo is around 3.3 M, you understand how hard it is).

2nd rounds cost around $1,157,153, so you can expect us to have at least 1 on our roster

[Knightro]

It is SOOOOOO hard to make moves and still be under the 1st apron, i look forward to seeing what Jeff can do

I ve been playing a lot with Multi Year Spreadsheet, to make sure the moves look good for the next 3 yrs, Franz + Paolo s contract are no joke

If/when he get his full max, next season (26-27), Paolo+Franz+suggs 's contracts will be equivalent to 73.5% of the cap (125 M total), with a 1st apron at 125% of the cap (215 M).

So you need to pay 12 players with around 90 M, that s an average of 7.5 M per player (when you know that the minimum you can offer to vets like Cojo is around 3.3 M, you understand how hard it is).

2nd rounds cost around $1,157,153, so you can expect us to have at least 1 on our roster

They are definitely going to have to start filling out the very bottom part of the roster with 2nd round picks moving forward. There's no real way around it.

Like I wouldn't be shocked if the 14th and 15th man moving forward were both guys on tiny 2nd round pick contracts.

[Knightro]

It may not seem like a lot, but the minimum salary for a rookie 2nd rounder is $1,272,869.

The minimum salary for a veteran like Cory Joseph is $3,634,148.

Factor that over two roster spots and you're talking almost $5M dollars. When you're playing around the aprons, every little bit may count.

[cedric76]

It may not seem like a lot, but the minimum salary for a rookie 2nd rounder is $1,272,869.

The minimum salary for a veteran like Cory Joseph is $3,634,148.

Factor that over two roster spots and you're talking almost $5M dollars. When you're playing around the aprons, every little bit may count.

Indeed, this is people need to stop with those crazy trade proposals, they need to understand how the new CBA is impacting teams

[RichCollab]

It may not seem like a lot, but the minimum salary for a rookie 2nd rounder is $1,272,869.

The minimum salary for a veteran like Cory Joseph is $3,634,148.

Factor that over two roster spots and you're talking almost $5M dollars. When you're playing around the aprons, every little bit may count.

2nd round pick contracts aren’t guaranteed though?

[Knightro]

It may not seem like a lot, but the minimum salary for a rookie 2nd rounder is $1,272,869.

The minimum salary for a veteran like Cory Joseph is $3,634,148.

Factor that over two roster spots and you're talking almost $5M dollars. When you're playing around the aprons, every little bit may count.

2nd round pick contracts aren’t guaranteed though?

They aren't guaranteed in the respect that you don't have to sign them if you don't want to.

[Magic_Johnny12]

It may not seem like a lot, but the minimum salary for a rookie 2nd rounder is $1,272,869.

The minimum salary for a veteran like Cory Joseph is $3,634,148.

Factor that over two roster spots and you're talking almost $5M dollars. When you're playing around the aprons, every little bit may count.

Indeed, this is people need to stop with those crazy trade proposals, they need to understand how the new CBA is impacting teams

Less telling people what they need to do and more helping and educating regarding CBA implications to a fanbase that shares similar interests/goals to you.

If you’re an expert on cap management/CBA by laws it will make for better conversations and overall betterment of the board if you’re able to help explain why someone’s “crazy trade” does not fit the teams financial plan.

We all share fandom, we should try to understand that not everyone is an expert of the business/financial side of basketball, especially considering the new recent changes.

I wasn’t at one point personally and still not an expert of anything, but through good posters on this board posting educational data and helping others navigate CBA questions throughout the years I now feel like I can hold my own.

My two cents of course, all love and not meant to sound defensive.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

It may not seem like a lot, but the minimum salary for a rookie 2nd rounder is $1,272,869.

The minimum salary for a veteran like Cory Joseph is $3,634,148.

Factor that over two roster spots and you're talking almost $5M dollars. When you're playing around the aprons, every little bit may count.

2nd round pick contracts aren’t guaranteed though?

They aren't guaranteed in the respect that you don't have to sign them if you don't want to.

think most teams usually have 14 rostered spots and leave 15 open + 2 2 ways. Point still stands could definitely see 13& 14 being 2nd round picks.

[cedric76]

It may not seem like a lot, but the minimum salary for a rookie 2nd rounder is $1,272,869.

The minimum salary for a veteran like Cory Joseph is $3,634,148.

Factor that over two roster spots and you're talking almost $5M dollars. When you're playing around the aprons, every little bit may count.

Indeed, this is people need to stop with those crazy trade proposals, they need to understand how the new CBA is impacting teams

Less telling people what they need to do and more helping and educating regarding CBA implications to a fanbase that shares similar interests/goals to you.

If you’re an expert on cap management/CBA by laws it will make for better conversations and overall betterment of the board if you’re able to help explain why someone’s “crazy trade” does not fit the teams financial plan.

We all share fandom, we should try to understand that not everyone is an expert of the business/financial side of basketball, especially considering the new recent changes.

I wasn’t at one point personally and still not an expert of anything, but through good posters on this board posting educational data and helping others navigate CBA questions throughout the years I now feel like I can hold my own.

My two cents of course, all love and not meant to sound defensive.

This should help

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[89Magicfan]

It may not seem like a lot, but the minimum salary for a rookie 2nd rounder is $1,272,869.

The minimum salary for a veteran like Cory Joseph is $3,634,148.

Factor that over two roster spots and you're talking almost $5M dollars. When you're playing around the aprons, every little bit may count.

Indeed, this is people need to stop with those crazy trade proposals, they need to understand how the new CBA is impacting teams

Less telling people what they need to do and more helping and educating regarding CBA implications to a fanbase that shares similar interests/goals to you.

If you’re an expert on cap management/CBA by laws it will make for better conversations and overall betterment of the board if you’re able to help explain why someone’s “crazy trade” does not fit the teams financial plan.

We all share fandom, we should try to understand that not everyone is an expert of the business/financial side of basketball, especially considering the new recent changes.

I wasn’t at one point personally and still not an expert of anything, but through good posters on this board posting educational data and helping others navigate CBA questions throughout the years I now feel like I can hold my own.

My two cents of course, all love and not meant to sound defensive.

Solid post. I know very little about the CBA. I just know about the game. It would help to know what Weltman might be facing and what he might have to do to get better.

[Knightro]

The Magic pretty much can't afford to trade for a guy making $40-50+ million annually unless Suggs is in the deal.

They can make it work, barely, with a guy making in the $25-35M range. And even then they are almost assuredly going to have apron issues in 26-27.

[cedric76]

Indeed, this is people need to stop with those crazy trade proposals, they need to understand how the new CBA is impacting teams

Less telling people what they need to do and more helping and educating regarding CBA implications to a fanbase that shares similar interests/goals to you.

If you’re an expert on cap management/CBA by laws it will make for better conversations and overall betterment of the board if you’re able to help explain why someone’s “crazy trade” does not fit the teams financial plan.

We all share fandom, we should try to understand that not everyone is an expert of the business/financial side of basketball, especially considering the new recent changes.

I wasn’t at one point personally and still not an expert of anything, but through good posters on this board posting educational data and helping others navigate CBA questions throughout the years I now feel like I can hold my own.

My two cents of course, all love and not meant to sound defensive.

Solid post. I know very little about the CBA. I just know about the game. It would help to know what Weltman might be facing and what he might have to do to get better.

I d strongly recommend watching Keith smith s podcast, he is a beast at salary cap

[orlando_joe]

do not pick up gary or cojo options ..then see if nets want to bring cole and jett back to ny for fake 2nd rounder they may need to reach floor

[Skybox]

The Magic pretty much can't afford to trade for a guy making $40-50+ million annually unless Suggs is in the deal.

They can make it work, barely, with a guy making in the $25-35M range. And even then they are almost assuredly going to have apron issues in 26-27.

Thanks for your clarity...CBA is not the Death Star, it is something to be managed.

It's not an excuse to pan every trade for a decent player. You make compromises elsewhere, if need be...that's why, for example, I'm always trying to thin the Center rotation's collective overpay while trying to upgrade the guard spots at the same time.

[shrink]

I wonder if Minny is interested in S&T NAW to not lose him for nothing.

Wolves fan, swinging by. A few things you may want to consider.

1. NAW was the Wolves most consistent player for most of the season, and they were a wildly inconsistent team. They have Bird rights, and might not trade him. It could be tight, but they could keep all their potential free agents (Randle, Naz, NAW), and perhaps stay under the second apron.

2. MIN may let NAW walk because they are deep at guard (with Ant and DDV) and have two young (cheap) guards they like behind him (Jaylen Clark and Terrence Jones Jr.). Agree with Johnny, they may try to do a sign-and-trade.

3. I listened to Yossi’s podcast about the Wolves, and he mentions that NAW and Naz are two guys that many teams are trying to get this summer. Just having the MLE doesn’t mean the Magic can pencil him in.

4. Speaking of the MLE, in 2023 it became usable as a TPE. Does a Donte DiVincenzo trade appeal, with his $12 mil/2 yr salary.

5. I wish I had more info, but there are so many different ways that MIN can play this, it’s impossible to predict which way GM Tim Connelly will go, especially if they trade for Durant. I can say the team needs are likely a PG who can help Mike Conley until Dillingham is ready, a back up or replacement center for Gobert (Naz and Randle need defender behind them), and some payroll relief. They may do little and roll it back after two WCF’s, but Connelly has never been scared to swing for the fences.

Good luck this summer! I’m rooting for you guys!