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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1041 » by youngcrev » Fri Jun 6, 2025 12:23 pm

Negrodamus wrote:My guess is Morey trades the pick for a player and future lightly or unprotected picks. I think he wants as many chances to get top picks in the future while adding extra win now ammo to this team. It'd be different if he got Flagg, but it seems like this area just doesn't have the guaranteed stud.

I also think he'd consider just doing 3 + filler for Trey Murphy.


So basically, Morey is gonna do something awesome!

If Harper doesn't fall into their lap, these both seem like great options to me.

Trey has pretty much the exact same length measurements as Ace, is still only 24, locked up on a below market deal (if you put together matching salary + #3 you actually save cap), is a legit good player right now with room to grow. Plus he just seems like a great guy and a hard worker.

I'd absolutely be on board with that. Fits great in the starting lineup immediately, and is a good positional/age/skill set fit going forward with Maxey/McCain.

We need Dumars to fall in love with Ace so much that he does something wild. Even if its not directly with us... What if he offers Trey+something to get up to #2 and then we just take Harper at 3. :droop:
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Post#1042 » by MVP1992 » Fri Jun 6, 2025 12:27 pm

I strongly urge whoever Sixers pick on draft night, to not put a Sixers cap on for photos until 1st round draft night is over.
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Post#1043 » by Sixersftw » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:02 pm

youngcrev wrote:Draft night is gonna be so hilarious when we pick Ace, people gloat, and then they announce the trade like 20 minutes later

If that happens, I'm gonna do an about face and assume he is the next Kevin Durant. I've really been negatively conditioned by being a Sixers' fan.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1044 » by Black Mage » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:35 pm

M2J wrote:Question: If Morey picks a guy that isn't your pick... What's your reaction? Disappointment? Intrigue regarding his decision (guess that's a no brainer for any pick) Glee?

As a person that trusts him, I think I'll feel validation when it's Ace, as if his data and meetings align with what I've digested. Some shock if it isn't, but will get behind it for certain picks.


I'll trust Morey first and foremost. I'll be disappointed only in that I won't get to watch the guy I had hoped we'd pick.

Mostly, I'll be anxious to see them live in Summer League to get first impressions. I'll be completely ready to 1) panic if a prospects warts are more prevalent than their strengths in summer even if it was the guy I wanted (see McCain) or 2) have pitchforks and torches ready if they suck at what they were supposed to be good at (see Fultz/Korkmaz).
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1045 » by Black Mage » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:39 pm

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youngcrev wrote:Draft night is gonna be so hilarious when we pick Ace, people gloat, and then they announce the trade like 20 minutes later

If that happens, I'm gonna do an about face and assume he is the next Kevin Durant. I've really been negatively conditioned by being a Sixers' fan.


If we did that and don't land a haul coming back; I'll be shopping for a new team b/c I just won't be able to take it anymore with this dumb a** franchise.
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Post#1046 » by Negrodamus » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:01 pm

If we take someone at 3, I really think it's going to be Edgecombe and I definitely can talk myself into that. He's not my favorite, but I can see the path to becoming a star.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1047 » by Stanford » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:18 pm

Even if Edgecombe doesn't become a star, he'll be one of those guys that makes huge, difference-making plays in playoff games that make all the podcasts gush about him the next day.
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Post#1048 » by FireMorey » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:36 pm

My rankings of most Morey moves:

1. Trading up to 2. Morey likes big swings
2. Trying to trade 3 + PG for a star. Again, big swings. Morey pursues stars and would try to get off PG's deal.
3. Trading down for Tre Johnson and getting more future picks to try to do #2 again next year.
4. Standing at 3 and taking Bailey.
5. Staying at 3 and taking someone else.
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Post#1049 » by sodmoraes » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:50 pm

If we draft Edge i wont be mad, but will be in "i´m disappoint son" mood. Probably gonna follow closely Bailey playing with the Hornets, ngl :lol:
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1050 » by mjkvol » Fri Jun 6, 2025 3:33 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
M2J wrote:Question: If Morey picks a guy that isn't your pick... What's your reaction? Disappointment? Intrigue regarding his decision (guess that's a no brainer for any pick) Glee?

As a person that trusts him, I think I'll feel validation when it's Ace, as if his data and meetings align with what I've digested. Some shock if it isn't, but will get behind it for certain picks.


Do what I do most drafts, get on board. Sometimes I’ll defend the player too long even if I hated the pick (Jahlil Okafor).


I'm the same way (despite my disappointment last year), but Okafor was the exception. That pick was so awful it was telegraphed beforehand, and for me it was just hoping he was dumped while we could still get some value.
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Post#1051 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 6, 2025 3:43 pm

I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted VJ. He’s easy to root for, he’s a winning two-way player who can space the floor, plays with a high motor, high IQ, and impact on both ends of the floor.

It’d be fun to see him paired with Maxey in the backcourt. The quickness and athleticism from both would generate deflections, attack closeouts, and score in transition. Offensively, we could use him in a limited role, similar to how Cason Wallace or Caruso plays for OKC, low usage, high impact.

His shot profile is solid, good volume and decent efficiency on unassisted mid-range and three-point shots in the halfcourt. His main weaknesses are finishing at the rim and drawing fouls in the halfcourt, but with his explosive athleticism, those are areas you can realistically expect him to improve.
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Post#1052 » by Iverson Armband » Fri Jun 6, 2025 3:53 pm

VJ would be just OK. It’s the safe pick, which is anti-Morey and why I’m sure it’s not happening with a pick this high.

Not a bad pick, but it’s basically like having a younger De’Anthony Melton again with a little more upside. I guess that would be a good thing.
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Post#1053 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 6, 2025 4:07 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:VJ would be just OK. It’s the safe pick, which is anti-Morey and why I’m sure it’s not happening with a pick this high.

Not a bad pick, but it’s basically like having a younger De’Anthony Melton again with a little more upside. I guess that would be a good thing.


I find that Morey tends to make safe picks. He prefers to bet when there’s strong data backing the move, which is why he usually targets proven stars in trades rather than playing the draft’s smoke-and-mirrors game. Even someone like Dylan Harper comes with significant risk due to questions about his perimeter scoring.

As for Melton, I think VJ brings a similar defensive profile, they both play like wings who generate extra possessions through stocks and rebs. But offensively, VJ has a much better shooting profile and offers more scoring upside.
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Post#1054 » by Negrodamus » Fri Jun 6, 2025 4:13 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:VJ would be just OK. It’s the safe pick, which is anti-Morey and why I’m sure it’s not happening with a pick this high.

Not a bad pick, but it’s basically like having a younger De’Anthony Melton again with a little more upside. I guess that would be a good thing.


I actually think he has decent upside with his insane athleticism and speed. He's shown some chops in ball handling but would have to take it to another level. His shot is probably the reason I'm most bullish on him because it's fundamentally sound and I feel the "difficult shotmaking" portion can be added down the line. Melton was a disaster shooter in college and he's also smaller than VJ.

The ideal situation is he behaves as the do-it-all off ball guard for the first couple of years with Maxey with the hope he fills out more and adds to his ball handling bag.
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Post#1055 » by Negrodamus » Fri Jun 6, 2025 4:15 pm

The fact that Edgecombe is a terror for PnR ball handlers would be a blessing for Embiid. I'm sure he's sick of switching on everything.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1056 » by Arsenal » Fri Jun 6, 2025 4:16 pm

There's no excuse to take Edgecombe at #3 if a trade down for Essengue is available. None whatsoever.

I'm only ok taking Edgecombe if we move down to at least #5 and even there we should take Essengue instead.

Ideally someone else falls in love with VJ enough for us to move slightly down and still grab Ace or Noa.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1057 » by Iverson Armband » Fri Jun 6, 2025 4:22 pm

76ciology wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:VJ would be just OK. It’s the safe pick, which is anti-Morey and why I’m sure it’s not happening with a pick this high.

Not a bad pick, but it’s basically like having a younger De’Anthony Melton again with a little more upside. I guess that would be a good thing.


I find that Morey tends to make safe picks. He prefers to bet when there’s strong data backing the move, which is why he usually targets proven stars in trades rather than playing the draft’s smoke-and-mirrors game. Even someone like Dylan Harper comes with significant risk due to questions about his perimeter scoring.

As for Melton, I think VJ brings a similar defensive profile, they both play like wings who generate extra possessions through stocks and rebs. But offensively, VJ has a much better shooting profile and offers more scoring upside.

He makes safe picks in the late teens and 20s. I’m not saying VJ has no upside. He obviously does, none of these guys are finished products. But I think it’s safe to say the other guys being considered outside of Kon have significantly more upside right now and lower floors. I continue to refuse to believe Morey isn’t going to take a swing with a pick this high. If he doesn’t I’ll admit I was wrong, roll with it and hope for the best.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1058 » by Iverson Armband » Fri Jun 6, 2025 4:27 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:VJ would be just OK. It’s the safe pick, which is anti-Morey and why I’m sure it’s not happening with a pick this high.

Not a bad pick, but it’s basically like having a younger De’Anthony Melton again with a little more upside. I guess that would be a good thing.


I actually think he has decent upside with his insane athleticism and speed. He's shown some chops in ball handling but would have to take it to another level. His shot is probably the reason I'm most bullish on him because it's fundamentally sound and I feel the "difficult shotmaking" portion can be added down the line. Melton was a disaster shooter in college and he's also smaller than VJ.

The ideal situation is he behaves as the do-it-all off ball guard for the first couple of years with Maxey with the hope he fills out more and adds to his ball handling bag.

A big reason I’m against VJ as well is I feel he is extremely redundant with Grimes. There is no reason to have both he and Grimes on this roster with some of this other talent available in the draft. I am not interested in burning the #3 pick in the draft and potentially 100+M in one summer between those two combined. And while VJ does have some upside, and believe me I’m in no way saying he’s a finished product, but he’s also older than a lot of these guys and I’d rather go with some of these other players that have more unique skills/attributes.

Joel & PG are basically finished, in my eyes. This team needs to be trying to find a legit young star, FAST. Top 3 picks do not grow on trees and none of us are getting any younger.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1059 » by Sixersftw » Fri Jun 6, 2025 4:39 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:
M2J wrote:Question: If Morey picks a guy that isn't your pick... What's your reaction? Disappointment? Intrigue regarding his decision (guess that's a no brainer for any pick) Glee?

As a person that trusts him, I think I'll feel validation when it's Ace, as if his data and meetings align with what I've digested. Some shock if it isn't, but will get behind it for certain picks.


Do what I do most drafts, get on board. Sometimes I’ll defend the player too long even if I hated the pick (Jahlil Okafor).


I'm the same way (despite my disappointment last year), but Okafor was the exception. That pick was so awful it was telegraphed beforehand, and for me it was just hoping he was dumped while we could still get some value.

Dude, same. The Okafor draft ruined my night and I never rooted for that ****. I assumed it was about to be the old Hinkie special and he was gonna rip a team off for Jah. Nope.

I even talked myself into Zaire within hours of the draft despite knowing that we **** up in the moment, twice.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1060 » by Arsenal » Fri Jun 6, 2025 4:41 pm

VJ is also one of the least valuable archetypes, a non-lead guard. With the #3 pick you need to aim higher than a rich man's De'Anthony Melton or Jalen Suggs.

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