Clippers/Celtics

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Clippers out: Norman Powell, Kobe Brown, Clippers 2030 1st round pick, Clippers 2031 pick swap option
Clippers in: Derrick White

Celtics out: Derrick White
Celtics in: Norman Powell, Kobe Brown, Clippers 2030 1st round pick, option to swap picks with the Clippers in 2031

Why the Clippers do this: They replace Norman Powell with someone who will provide them with better playmaking, while playing much better defense.
Why the Celtics do this: They get a very good player who can average 20+ points per game, while also saving money, and getting to have full control over the Clippers draft for 2 years during what will be the post Kawhi Leonard/James Harden years.

[djFan71]

Are we talking fully unprotected? Value is pretty good. Ultimately, though, I just don't see BOS doing it. I think anyone but Brown, White, Pritchard and Tatum is fully available, but it would take an insane offer to move one of those 4.

[hugepatsfan]

It’s not insulting or anything with picks that far off from an old team, but just can’t see it. You never know what team teams offer vs people here, but anytime White gets brought up people here post pretty substantial trade offers that rather easily trump this. And to the point that these picks from LAC are post Kawhi/Harden, they’re also post Tatum prime once he comes back. I understand that future picks can be used in the trade, but at least on paper for now BOS is moving a hugely valuable piece in their Tatum window for pick value post-Tatum prime for value that may or may not actually be realized because LAC might not even suck those years.

[Djh7475]

Powell and far out draft picks (that shouldn’t hit until Kawhi/Harden have been done for a few years and the Clippers have a chance to rebuild) isn’t really a package that makes sense for the Celtics unless Norm could be flipped to a 3rd team for more than I expect.

[brackdan70]

Nice idea for the Clippers, but that’s not enough for White.
Yes it saves money for the Celtics, but they are a much much worse team when Tatum is back. If they want to save Money that don’t keep Powell past this season.
White is not one of the guys the Celtics would look to move unless there is a really strong package of a young player with starter upside and more than one pick coming back.
White is a top 30-40 player on a team friendly contract still in his prime. He commands a lot of value.

[ReggiesKnicks]

This is really light for White. Take out the 1st and it's the price for Jrue, and the price for White is more than 1 1st compared to Jrue.

[brackdan70]

I think the best package the Clippers could put together that doesn’t include Zubac (whom they shouldn’t include obviously) is DJJ, Dunn, the 2030 pick and 2031 swap and pick 30 in this draft. Route any necessary clippers salary to a third team.
This is probably still a bit light but closer to Whites Value.

[Captain Ballmer]

Clippers aren't just derrick white away from contention. He helps obviously but its like from 0.2% to like 0.6% chances of a championship. It wouldn't worth it to delay rebuilding clock 2 more years.

I would pass on this deal and look for an athletic, younger players on FA market with ntax MLE.

[enzino]

i think D. White is worth top 7 PICK in this year draft + expiring deals

[ReggiesKnicks]

i think D. White is worth top 7 PICK in this year draft + expiring deals

He is probably worth that but unfortunately no team picking that high would trade for him.

[Saints14]

I think if the Celtics trade White they can kiss any chance of contending when Tatum comes back goodbye, so while the value is solid I think Boston should say no. For LAC, I get it and it would make them really good next year (if healthy), but it would be another instance of them seeing Kawhi healthy for more than 2 weeks and then doubling down on their contention window with him, and those moves typically haven't aged well for them

[enzino]

i think D. White is worth top 7 PICK in this year draft + expiring deals

He is probably worth that but unfortunately no team picking that high would trade for him.

yeah, but you can't rule out that multiteams trades may happen

[jbk1234]

I really like Derrick White but people are getting a little carried away. He works as well as he does on the Celtics because two of Tatum, Brown, and Pritchard are usually on the court with him. You ask him to go from being the 3rd, or even 4th option, to a consistent 2nd option, and you're going to go through some things.

[hugepatsfan]

I really like Derrick White but people are getting a little carried away. He works as well as he does on the Celtics because two of Tatum, Brown, and Pritchard are usually on the court with him. You ask him to go from being the 3rd, or even 4th option, to a consistent 2nd option, and you're going to go through some things.

Fair, but is that really inconsistent with how people are valuing him? Deni Avidja, for example, just got traded last year expiring salary, a current year lottery pick, a 1st rounder 5 years out at time of trade in 2029, and 2 2nd round picks. His contract was lower, but he also hadn't played at the level White has either so was somewhat of a speculative breakout candidate.

I think there's truth in what you're saying, though I'd push back that Pritchard is ever ahead of him in any pecking order, but I don't think his trade value on here is treating it like that's not the case.

[jbk1234]

I really like Derrick White but people are getting a little carried away. He works as well as he does on the Celtics because two of Tatum, Brown, and Pritchard are usually on the court with him. You ask him to go from being the 3rd, or even 4th option, to a consistent 2nd option, and you're going to go through some things.

Fair, but is that really inconsistent with how people are valuing him? Deni Avidja, for example, just got traded last year expiring salary, a current year lottery pick, a 1st rounder 5 years out at time of trade in 2029, and 2 2nd round picks. His contract was lower, but he also hadn't played at the level White has either so was somewhat of a speculative breakout candidate.

I think there's truth in what you're saying, though I'd push back that Pritchard is ever ahead of him in any pecking order, but I don't think his trade value on here is treating it like that's not the case.

I'm more talking about the reaction from Celtics fans proclaiming the O.P. is not enough.

Players *breaking out*, e.g. Dipo, is extraordinarily rare. Players getting slotted into the perfect role on the perfect team less so. I don't see the Nuggets ever trading Aaron Gordon because how could Gordon ever be worth more to his new team than the Nuggets next to Jokic? PJ Washington was JAG on the Hornets, but you slide him to 3 and ask him to hit wide open 3s on the Mavs, and he looks like a really good role player.

The risk the Celtics run in not trading White this summer is that Tatum and whoever the Celtics decide to dump will be gone next season. Trade partners will get a good look at White in less than ideal circumstances.

[hugepatsfan]

I really like Derrick White but people are getting a little carried away. He works as well as he does on the Celtics because two of Tatum, Brown, and Pritchard are usually on the court with him. You ask him to go from being the 3rd, or even 4th option, to a consistent 2nd option, and you're going to go through some things.

Fair, but is that really inconsistent with how people are valuing him? Deni Avidja, for example, just got traded last year expiring salary, a current year lottery pick, a 1st rounder 5 years out at time of trade in 2029, and 2 2nd round picks. His contract was lower, but he also hadn't played at the level White has either so was somewhat of a speculative breakout candidate.

I think there's truth in what you're saying, though I'd push back that Pritchard is ever ahead of him in any pecking order, but I don't think his trade value on here is treating it like that's not the case.

I'm more talking about the reaction from Celtics fans proclaiming the O.P. is not enough.

Players *breaking out*, e.g. Dipo, is extraordinarily rare. Players getting slotted into the perfect role on the perfect team less so. I don't see the Nuggets ever trading Aaron Gordon because how could Gordon ever be worth more to his new team than the Nuggets next to Jokic? PJ Washington was JAG on the Hornets, but you slide him to 3 and ask him to hit wide open 3s on the Mavs, and he looks like a really good role player.

The risk the Celtics run in not trading White this summer is that Tatum and whoever the Celtics decide to dump will be gone next season. Trade partners will get a good look at White in less than ideal circumstances.

I mean, again, using Avidja as a comparable, the OP is short a current year lottery pick and 2 2nds. Maybe drop the 2 2nds because I'd say Powell > Brogdon last year but you get the idea. So I think it's fair to say it's light and reading through the responses, I wouldn't say any Celtics fans went over the top with how much "not enough" it is. The one poster who said #7 in the current draft actually had a non Celtics fan agree with him even.

I don't think BOS is too worried about how White is going to look in less than ideal circumstances. I don't think they're particularly looking to move him and prefer him being in place when Tatum comes back. Earlier you mentioned that he benefits from playing with Tatum/Brown/Pritchard in the offensive pecking order, and I think those are probably the 4 pieces they're going to keep moving forward. Horford (retirement or departure now that BOS isn't contending) and then Jrue/Porzingis/Hauser are the guys I expect to be gone or "dumped". So I think White should be in those favorable circumstances for a good while now. Obviously BOS is going to take a step back from the massive talent they had these last two years (particularly year before) but I also don't think they're headed for the top of the draft anytime soon either. It's not a barren roster by any stretch.

[jbk1234]

Fair, but is that really inconsistent with how people are valuing him? Deni Avidja, for example, just got traded last year expiring salary, a current year lottery pick, a 1st rounder 5 years out at time of trade in 2029, and 2 2nd round picks. His contract was lower, but he also hadn't played at the level White has either so was somewhat of a speculative breakout candidate.

I think there's truth in what you're saying, though I'd push back that Pritchard is ever ahead of him in any pecking order, but I don't think his trade value on here is treating it like that's not the case.

I'm more talking about the reaction from Celtics fans proclaiming the O.P. is not enough.

Players *breaking out*, e.g. Dipo, is extraordinarily rare. Players getting slotted into the perfect role on the perfect team less so. I don't see the Nuggets ever trading Aaron Gordon because how could Gordon ever be worth more to his new team than the Nuggets next to Jokic? PJ Washington was JAG on the Hornets, but you slide him to 3 and ask him to hit wide open 3s on the Mavs, and he looks like a really good role player.

The risk the Celtics run in not trading White this summer is that Tatum and whoever the Celtics decide to dump will be gone next season. Trade partners will get a good look at White in less than ideal circumstances.

I mean, again, using Avidja as a comparable, the OP is short a current year lottery pick and 2 2nds. Maybe drop the 2 2nds because I'd say Powell > Brogdon last year but you get the idea. So I think it's fair to say it's light and reading through the responses, I wouldn't say any Celtics fans went over the top with how much "not enough" it is. The one poster who said #7 in the current draft actually had a non Celtics fan agree with him even.

I don't think BOS is too worried about how White is going to look in less than ideal circumstances. I don't think they're particularly looking to move him and prefer him being in place when Tatum comes back. Earlier you mentioned that he benefits from playing with Tatum/Brown/Pritchard in the offensive pecking order, and I think those are probably the 4 pieces they're going to keep moving forward. Horford (retirement or departure now that BOS isn't contending) and then Jrue/Porzingis/Hauser are the guys I expect to be gone or "dumped". So I think White should be in those favorable circumstances for a good while now. Obviously BOS is going to take a step back from the massive talent they had these last two years (particularly year before) but I also don't think they're headed for the top of the draft anytime soon either. It's not a barren roster by any stretch.

Deni isn't a comparable though. He's 26, the Blazers aren't good, their spacing sucks, and their guard play is middling. Put Deni on a team that's an ideal fit and he's likely better than what you've already seen. The current version of Derrick White on the Celtics is as good as it's going to get.

[Jojothewhale]

I don't get why Avdija would be a relevant comp. Picking a valuation defined by age and contract value is an odd choice for White. It isn't even just the fact that you have to pay him less. It's so much easier to match salaries for Deni than White.

[brackdan70]

There really isn’t a good comp out there because guys as good as White on such a team friendly contract just don’t get traded.

[redslastlaugh]

More interesting to take Norm Powell out and sub in Kris Dunn & Bogdanovich, let Clips keep Norm. LAC needs to waive Eubanks. And then do this trade after the 2025 draft when 2032 becomes in play as tradeable picks and the deal is as follows:

Clips trade
LAC 2030 1st, LAC 2032 1st, LAC 2031 swap
Dunn
Bogi
Kobe Brown
Cam Christie

Celts trade
Derrick White
Jordan Walsh

If Celts are still 2nd apron at the time of the trade (maybe they've already traded Holiday), then it's two seperate trades:

White for Dunn, Bogi, Kobe, draft capital
&
Jordan Walsh for Cam Christie

Clippers out: Norman Powell, Kobe Brown, Clippers 2030 1st round pick, Clippers 2031 pick swap option
Clippers in: Derrick White

Celtics out: Derrick White
Celtics in: Norman Powell, Kobe Brown, Clippers 2030 1st round pick, option to swap picks with the Clippers in 2031

Why the Clippers do this: They replace Norman Powell with someone who will provide them with better playmaking, while playing much better defense.
Why the Celtics do this: They get a very good player who can average 20+ points per game, while also saving money, and getting to have full control over the Clippers draft for 2 years during what will be the post Kawhi Leonard/James Harden years.