Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2

[F N 11]

Did we see any noise before the Bridges or KAT trades, or even OG? No. There’s no leaks.

Now all of the sudden we are seeing all these rumors? Tough to believe them.

Yes there were rumors. Giannis also strolls Manhattan with no security.

[mpharris36]

i don't care what giannis wants, you're not getting him for that kind of offer

we don't know yet. Just last offseason Mikal and OG league wide were worth a combined 7 1st round picks...that is known fact. I don't see how there value draftically changed since that point.

And we aren't even talking KAT yet but he can't be worse less then what we traded for him he's coming off one of his best seasons.

Two things can be true...we need Giannis to request a trade here...you are also underselling out assets. Because easily you can break down individual pieces to other teams and get draft capital.

Like you don't think OG on the Spurs for example would be elite with Fox and Wemby...they would give a ton of picks to get OG. That is just one example.

we always disagree when it comes to these things. you always think we're gonna pay less in salary for guys and that we can get them without much in a trade. melo wanted to be here. no discount accepted. donovan mitchell wanted to be here. no discount accepted. but a top 3 player in the league we're gonna get one on ? no sir.

your not understanding my point. There was legit rumors teams like the rockets and grizz were willing to give up 4 1st rounders for Mikal last year. There were confirmed reports teams also offered 3 1st rounders for OG.

Who knows what assets KAT would have in a legit trade.

I know you say we are asset starved but you can for example move OG to the spurs for an expiring contract like Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson who aint **** or maybe MIL wants Vassell...then also send like 3 1st round picks to MIL and that covers some of the cost...now you would have to figure out the rest as well including more teams...it certainly is complicated....it also isn't impossible.

And these are just hypothetical obviously.

The best course of action is listing out the teams that probably are Giannis ideal spots to land and then try to put down what they can offer. A lot of these teams don't even have the contracts to make it work.

[thebuzzardman]

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Brunson
McCullars
Dadiet
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KAT
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Leggo?

[Fury]

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Chris Finch
Ime Udoka
Jason Kidd

Please let us get Ime Udoka

[thebuzzardman]

didn't we hire a coach in the past before thinking we were gonna get a free agent we clearly weren't ? i can't remember who it was

Johnny Bryant/Donovan Mitchell

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks about to make their Fournier/Kemba version of a coaching move

[thebuzzardman]

Any tsunami offer we have involves KAT or Brunson. Anything else just completely depletes us.

It would be incredible if the Knicks slow played a long series of solid, cap minded moves for years just to punk us with a mindless all-in starphuck that leaves us without a direction, depth, or draft capital all over again.

Gotcha! We're still dumbasses.

Mikal, OG, Deuce, and some of the kids along with the WAS 1st, two pick swaps, five 2nd rounders, and maybe one more future 1st if our ability to trade it opens up after draft day. That’s what I’m thinking and then Mikal/OG probably go to a 3rd and 4th team (MEM, HOU, PHX) to get MIl younger players and a load of additional picks.

Wow. That scenario sucks moose cock.

[Capn'O]

i don't care what giannis wants, you're not getting him for that kind of offer

we don't know yet. Just last offseason Mikal and OG league wide were worth a combined 7 1st round picks...that is known fact. I don't see how there value draftically changed since that point.

And we aren't even talking KAT yet but he can't be worse less then what we traded for him he's coming off one of his best seasons.

Two things can be true...we need Giannis to request a trade here...you are also underselling out assets. Because easily you can break down individual pieces to other teams and get draft capital.

Like you don't think OG on the Spurs for example would be elite with Fox and Wemby...they would give a ton of picks to get OG. That is just one example.

we always disagree when it comes to these things. you always think we're gonna pay less in salary for guys and that we can get them without much in a trade. melo wanted to be here. no discount accepted. donovan mitchell wanted to be here. no discount accepted. but a top 3 player in the league we're gonna get one on ? no sir.

This was exactly what the AI accused him of.

In other news, I'm not noticing your posts until they're quoted today

[HEZI]

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Leggo?

The rest of the roster

[thebuzzardman]

even going after a coach with the hope that he can lure a free agent and not because you really like him as a coach is a bad sign

Only thing I'll say in their favor is that the Knicks have moved pretty well in back channel ways and this move would be with the foreknowledge they can land Giannis.

I still think that outside trading KAT, any move for Giannis is a bad idea, and probably even then.

Unless there is a spectacularly good other move that deals Hart for someone who likes to take jumpers and makes them.

[thebuzzardman]

even going after a coach with the hope that he can lure a free agent and not because you really like him as a coach is a bad sign

we don't know yet if that is the #1 reason...he does have a relationship with Brunson and we know he has a really strong relationship with WWW...who is obviously one of our key decision makers...he Leon right hand man. That is all connections even prior to Giannis.

Kidd coached Brunson for ONE year.

I guess that's a relationship

[thebuzzardman]

yeah I agree...if we are losing both are defenders in the trade just to put Brunson/Giannis/KAT together...I just have a tough time seeing how we can have the requisite depth and defense to win...Giannis doesn't solve other teams targeting Brunson/KAT. And then we would have little else to fill out the roster.

Right.

Giannis/OG/Mikal/Brunson makes more sense wouldn't it?

Giannis does not want to be a 5.

Then all scenarios getting him suck.

[Barcs]

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It’s really going to be jkidd folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mpharris36]

even going after a coach with the hope that he can lure a free agent and not because you really like him as a coach is a bad sign

we don't know yet if that is the #1 reason...he does have a relationship with Brunson and we know he has a really strong relationship with WWW...who is obviously one of our key decision makers...he Leon right hand man. That is all connections even prior to Giannis.

Kidd coached Brunson for ONE year.

I guess that's a relationship

I mean it was only the year he went from a bench piece to having a monster breakout season including the playoffs.

At the end of the day it seems like Wes relationship with Kidd is the driving force so far.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Well ther it is Folksssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what was this tweet it was now deleted?

It said “Going all in on Giannis”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His source probably told him to delete it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

we don't know yet if that is the #1 reason...he does have a relationship with Brunson and we know he has a really strong relationship with WWW...who is obviously one of our key decision makers...he Leon right hand man. That is all connections even prior to Giannis.

Kidd coached Brunson for ONE year.

I guess that's a relationship

I mean it was only the year he went from a bench piece to having a monster breakout season including the playoffs.

At the end of the day it seems like Wes relationship with Kidd is the driving force so far.

Felt like Wes pushed for Kemba too. And KAT.

Not sure I'd grade either of those moves huge successes.

[Barcs]

So with the laundry list of reasons that Thibs was fired....that's all you got to justify keeping him?

Yea.... Leon def made the right move.

The system was working. They beat the defending champs but got zero credit for it. It's insane.

I wouldn't describe a few miracle-like comebacks as "the system working". We got lucky with the Celtics. They weren't hitting their normally made shots and blew numerous large leads. They also were missing Hauser, Porzingis and Tatum got injured at the end but they were basically finished by then. Thibs had nothing to do with us winning that series. If anything, his coaching put us in the hole more often than not.

But that same logic doesn't apply to Indiana's miracle comeback? Come on... It was as lucky as it gets. Luck is ALWAYS a part of the game.

[thebuzzardman]

Oh well.

Bad coaching hire, starph*cking to destroy the roster and being depleted of all future assets is at least getting me back to my comfort zone as a Knick fan.

[8516knicks]

Any tsunami offer we have involves KAT or Brunson. Anything else just completely depletes us.

It would be incredible if the Knicks slow played a long series of solid, cap minded moves for years just to punk us with a mindless all-in starphuck that leaves us without a direction, depth, or draft capital all over again.

Gotcha! We're still dumbasses.

Mikal, OG, Deuce, and some of the kids along with the WAS 1st, two pick swaps, five 2nd rounders, and maybe one more future 1st if our ability to trade it opens up after draft day. That’s what I’m thinking and then Mikal/OG probably go to a 3rd and 4th team (MEM, HOU, PHX) to get MIl younger players and a load of additional picks.

Wow. That scenario sucks moose cock.

Should leave us with a fantastic defense!

[Capn'O]

I miss Thibs. In 2yrs he could have passed JVG and Lapchick for 2nd on our all time coaching winners.