2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Any Andrew Nembhards in this draft? He's been super effective as a dribbler penetrator, shot maker, and defensive disruptor.

Another example of why these picks (28/32) can be so valuable if you scout well and hit the right guy.

Closest thing to Andrew Nembhard I could find : https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ryan-nembhard-1.html

[winsomme2]

Any Andrew Nembhards in this draft? He's been super effective as a dribbler penetrator, shot maker, and defensive disruptor.

Another example of why these picks (28/32) can be so valuable if you scout well and hit the right guy.

Closest thing to Andrew Nembhard I could find : https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ryan-nembhard-1.html

Wish he had a little more size because I'm sure he has that familial compete factor.

I watched some highlights and there's a lot to like about his game.

[Hal14]

A guy I was big on last year that's kinda not mentioned much this time around is Hunter Sallis. His 3-ball dropped off quite a bit (40% last year, 27% this), but he's solid on D. 6'3.75" barefoot, 6'10" wingspan, good scorer. I'd love to get into the later 2nd round and get a 2-way guard. James, Proctor, Sallis, Small, probably a few others. I'd definitely be talking to their agents about UDFA if any fall completely out.

One concern with Sallis is he went through the pre-draft process last year..came back for his senior year..normally in a situation like that you hope to see some progression as a senior..especially being THE guy on that Wake Forest team but it just didn't happen.

He didn't get better (maybe a little bit as a playmaker..) if anything, he got worse.

In the combine scrimmages he had some nice flashes but nothing too great (hearing from people that those don't really matter that much anyways).

He's a guy I think probably would've gone undrafted..but with all of these other guys who withdrew from the draft, *someone* has to go in the 46-60 range so I do think he is worth a late 2nd round pick.

But I'm not too high on him.

At this point, he's maybe a guy I'd bring in for summer league and that's about it..

[Hal14]

Any Andrew Nembhards in this draft? He's been super effective as a dribbler penetrator, shot maker, and defensive disruptor.

Another example of why these picks (28/32) can be so valuable if you scout well and hit the right guy.

Jase Richardson.

I doubt he falls to us. Maybe a trade up option?

He is pretty small though so I don't know about playing him and Pritchard together. But possibly, you move Jrue..put Pritchard in the starting lineup and bring Jase off the bench..

Tre Johnson also reminds me of Nembhard a little bit but he's going way before our pick.

Walter Clayton is another one..could be there late in the 1st round..

[brackdan70]

Any Andrew Nembhards in this draft? He's been super effective as a dribbler penetrator, shot maker, and defensive disruptor.

Another example of why these picks (28/32) can be so valuable if you scout well and hit the right guy.

Jase Richardson.

I doubt he falls to us. Maybe a trade up option?

He is pretty small though so I don't know about playing him and Pritchard together. But possibly, you move Jrue..put Pritchard in the starting lineup and bring Jase off the bench..

Tre Johnson also reminds me of Nembhard a little bit but he's going way before our pick.

Walter Clayton is another one..could be there late in the 1st round..

CLayton measured bigger than I thought, Jase smaller.
I’d like Clayton if he drops.

[Hal14]

Any Andrew Nembhards in this draft? He's been super effective as a dribbler penetrator, shot maker, and defensive disruptor.

Another example of why these picks (28/32) can be so valuable if you scout well and hit the right guy.

Jase Richardson.

I doubt he falls to us. Maybe a trade up option?

He is pretty small though so I don't know about playing him and Pritchard together. But possibly, you move Jrue..put Pritchard in the starting lineup and bring Jase off the bench..

Tre Johnson also reminds me of Nembhard a little bit but he's going way before our pick.

Walter Clayton is another one..could be there late in the 1st round..

CLayton measured bigger than I thought, Jase smaller.
I’d like Clayton if he drops.

Jase is about 3 yrs younger, though. Jase 2" longer wingspan, 1" longer on standing reach, had a higher TRB% this season, 1" higher on max vertical leap.

I have Jase as a better prospect..but Celtics seem to be leaning towards older, more developed draft picks..and Clayton has more of a chance of being there when we pick.

So I certainly wouldn't mind if we took Clayton..I'd be happy with either..neither has worked out for the team though, at least according to workout reports..

[brackdan70]

Jase Richardson.

I doubt he falls to us. Maybe a trade up option?

He is pretty small though so I don't know about playing him and Pritchard together. But possibly, you move Jrue..put Pritchard in the starting lineup and bring Jase off the bench..

Tre Johnson also reminds me of Nembhard a little bit but he's going way before our pick.

Walter Clayton is another one..could be there late in the 1st round..

CLayton measured bigger than I thought, Jase smaller.
I’d like Clayton if he drops.

Jase is about 3 yrs younger, though. Jase 2" longer wingspan, 1" longer on standing reach, had a higher TRB% this season, 1" higher on max vertical leap.

I have Jase as a better prospect..but Celtics seem to be leaning towards older, more developed draft picks..and Clayton has more of a chance of being there when we pick.

So I certainly wouldn't mind if we took Clayton..I'd be happy with either..neither has worked out for the team though, at least according to workout reports..

Oh yeah for sure Jase is a better prospect. I was trying to say Clayton has enough size that I’m not concerned. If Jase drops to us then that’s even better.
With Jase I thought he would be a bit bigger than he measured.

[jfs1000d]

Is Jase a better prospect?

I like Clayton, but is he better than JD Davidson?

Really think the udfas and two ways are a better way to pick than second rounders


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[djFan71]

A guy I was big on last year that's kinda not mentioned much this time around is Hunter Sallis. His 3-ball dropped off quite a bit (40% last year, 27% this), but he's solid on D. 6'3.75" barefoot, 6'10" wingspan, good scorer. I'd love to get into the later 2nd round and get a 2-way guard. James, Proctor, Sallis, Small, probably a few others. I'd definitely be talking to their agents about UDFA if any fall completely out.

One concern with Sallis is he went through the pre-draft process last year..came back for his senior year..normally in a situation like that you hope to see some progression as a senior..especially being THE guy on that Wake Forest team but it just didn't happen.

He didn't get better (maybe a little bit as a playmaker..) if anything, he got worse.

In the combine scrimmages he had some nice flashes but nothing too great (hearing from people that those don't really matter that much anyways).

He's a guy I think probably would've gone undrafted..but with all of these other guys who withdrew from the draft, *someone* has to go in the 46-60 range so I do think he is worth a late 2nd round pick.

But I'm not too high on him.

At this point, he's maybe a guy I'd bring in for summer league and that's about it..

Yeah, the bolded is exactly it. I was thinking UDFA, but man, all the guards dropping out and everyone wanting guards feels like he'll be 2nd half of round 2 now. I feel like being the guy wasn't his forte, but being a tertiary creator/scorer could be something he thrives in. Like a Cason Wallace type. Less insane D, but still pretty solid there. But a little more scoring output as well.

[djFan71]

Any Andrew Nembhards in this draft? He's been super effective as a dribbler penetrator, shot maker, and defensive disruptor.

Another example of why these picks (28/32) can be so valuable if you scout well and hit the right guy.

Jase Richardson.

I doubt he falls to us. Maybe a trade up option?

He is pretty small though so I don't know about playing him and Pritchard together. But possibly, you move Jrue..put Pritchard in the starting lineup and bring Jase off the bench..

Tre Johnson also reminds me of Nembhard a little bit but he's going way before our pick.

Walter Clayton is another one..could be there late in the 1st round..

CLayton measured bigger than I thought, Jase smaller.
I’d like Clayton if he drops.

I'm very sold on Clayton. Gimme. If we somehow get to 28 with him and Fleming on the board, my brain would explode over which to pick.

[djFan71]

Is Jase a better prospect?

I like Clayton, but is he better than JD Davidson?

Really think the udfas and two ways are a better way to pick than second rounders

In my mind, past the 30s, 2nd rounders are basically just nabbing your UDFAs ahead of time. 30s guys tend to expect a real deal, and some for more than the 2nd round exception. After that, you can 2-way guys or give them that super cheap exception contract. But you're under no obligation to them at all.

[Hal14]

A guy I was big on last year that's kinda not mentioned much this time around is Hunter Sallis. His 3-ball dropped off quite a bit (40% last year, 27% this), but he's solid on D. 6'3.75" barefoot, 6'10" wingspan, good scorer. I'd love to get into the later 2nd round and get a 2-way guard. James, Proctor, Sallis, Small, probably a few others. I'd definitely be talking to their agents about UDFA if any fall completely out.

One concern with Sallis is he went through the pre-draft process last year..came back for his senior year..normally in a situation like that you hope to see some progression as a senior..especially being THE guy on that Wake Forest team but it just didn't happen.

He didn't get better (maybe a little bit as a playmaker..) if anything, he got worse.

In the combine scrimmages he had some nice flashes but nothing too great (hearing from people that those don't really matter that much anyways).

He's a guy I think probably would've gone undrafted..but with all of these other guys who withdrew from the draft, *someone* has to go in the 46-60 range so I do think he is worth a late 2nd round pick.

But I'm not too high on him.

At this point, he's maybe a guy I'd bring in for summer league and that's about it..

Yeah, the bolded is exactly it. I was thinking UDFA, but man, all the guards dropping out and everyone wanting guards feels like he'll be 2nd half of round 2 now. I feel like being the guy wasn't his forte, but being a tertiary creator/scorer could be something he thrives in. Like a Cason Wallace type. Less insane D, but still pretty solid there. But a little more scoring output as well.

I think if Sallis really hits, he's like an Aaron Wiggins type..maybe kind of like Lonnie Walker..but he's gonna have to shoot it well to make it in the league.

I could also see him being a guy who goes overseas and crushes it over there pretty well.

I mean, look what Carsen Edwards us doing over there. He's carving out a really nice career in Europe..

[threrf23]

Is Jase a better prospect?

I like Clayton, but is he better than JD Davidson?

Really think the udfas and two ways are a better way to pick than second rounders


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I mean, personally, I see something like Ty Maxey in Richardson, and DWhite in Clayton.

I don't think Clayton will slip to us, Richardson maybe, cause he's 6'0, not Maxey, and like Maxey was, he's considered a combo guard who won't necessarily be able to run the point.

[djFan71]

One concern with Sallis is he went through the pre-draft process last year..came back for his senior year..normally in a situation like that you hope to see some progression as a senior..especially being THE guy on that Wake Forest team but it just didn't happen.

He didn't get better (maybe a little bit as a playmaker..) if anything, he got worse.

In the combine scrimmages he had some nice flashes but nothing too great (hearing from people that those don't really matter that much anyways).

He's a guy I think probably would've gone undrafted..but with all of these other guys who withdrew from the draft, *someone* has to go in the 46-60 range so I do think he is worth a late 2nd round pick.

But I'm not too high on him.

At this point, he's maybe a guy I'd bring in for summer league and that's about it..

Yeah, the bolded is exactly it. I was thinking UDFA, but man, all the guards dropping out and everyone wanting guards feels like he'll be 2nd half of round 2 now. I feel like being the guy wasn't his forte, but being a tertiary creator/scorer could be something he thrives in. Like a Cason Wallace type. Less insane D, but still pretty solid there. But a little more scoring output as well.

I think if Sallis really hits, he's like an Aaron Wiggins type..maybe kind of like Lonnie Walker..but he's gonna have to shoot it well to make it in the league.

I could also see him being a guy who goes overseas and crushes it over there pretty well.

I mean, look what Carsen Edwards us doing over there. He's carving out a really nice career in Europe..

Man, don't put the Carsen Edwards voodoo on him, lol.

[brackdan70]

Is Jase a better prospect?

I like Clayton, but is he better than JD Davidson?

Really think the udfas and two ways are a better way to pick than second rounders


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Fair point. JD is only 7 months older and has more G league MVPs.

[brackdan70]

Is Jase a better prospect?

I like Clayton, but is he better than JD Davidson?

Really think the udfas and two ways are a better way to pick than second rounders


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I mean, personally, I see something like Ty Maxey in Richardson, and DWhite in Clayton.

I don't think Clayton will slip to us, Richardson maybe, cause he's 6'0, not Maxey, and like Maxey was, he's considered a combo guard who won't necessarily be able to run the point.

Hey man. Don’t short him on that 0.5 inches.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Jase Richardson.

I doubt he falls to us. Maybe a trade up option?

He is pretty small though so I don't know about playing him and Pritchard together. But possibly, you move Jrue..put Pritchard in the starting lineup and bring Jase off the bench..

Tre Johnson also reminds me of Nembhard a little bit but he's going way before our pick.

Walter Clayton is another one..could be there late in the 1st round..

CLayton measured bigger than I thought, Jase smaller.
I’d like Clayton if he drops.

I'm very sold on Clayton. Gimme. If we somehow get to 28 with him and Fleming on the board, my brain would explode over which to pick.

Yeah, me too. I just think there's no chance he's there at 28. Then again, who knows where or if we'll be picking after Brad's moves, though I think we'll at least have a second rounder.

[Hal14]

Updated list of guys we've worked out..put a strikethrough the ones who withdrew to go back to college..



The biggest thing that stands out is we seem to really be targeting older guys this year.

Note: this Obinna guy is about 6'8"" with a 7'4" wingspan and had over a 12% block rate this season. But he's very old and played 5 years in a mid major conference..I figure just taking a peak at him as a summer league invite.

A lot of these guys, it seems like we're just trying to find bodies to fill out the summer league/G league/preseason rosters..

[Kalela]

Updated list of guys we've worked out..put a strikethrough the ones who withdrew to go back to college..



The biggest thing that stands out is we seem to really be targeting older guys this year.

Note: this Obinna guy is about 6'8"" with a 7'4" wingspan and had over a 12% block rate this season. But he's very old and played 5 years in a mid major conference..I figure just taking a peak at him as a summer league invite.

A lot of these guys, it seems like we're just trying to find bodies to fill out the summer league/G league/preseason rosters..

Unless they have worked out other guys and they don't want to disclose that, it feels like they trading out of the first round and maybe even early 2nd round. Most of these guys will not be drafted.

[phincsfan]

I’ve commented that Richardson will be a solid NBA player and should be a lottery pick, but there’s no way he’s comparable to Maxey.

Maxey has it all.

To top that off he called out Embiid, which IMO cemented his spot as the man in Philly.

Could very well be the steal (21st pick) of this decades draft class.