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Re: Pascal Siakam Back into the Nba Finals Celebration Party 

Post#101 » by Troubadour » Fri Jun 6, 2025 9:32 pm

junot111 wrote:Siakam is not doing anything different now that disproves past decisions... Unless we had Halliburton and Carlisle ready to grow on a tree, it made sense to move on from him before the new contract was due. Let's stop lamenting on the past. I'm happy for his success, as well as seeing all the Canadians in the spotlight


The issue is the trade was made because the Raptors thought and still think they have a star player here in Scottie Barnes, but Pascal Siakam was too old to fit his timeline.

Well, Scottie Barnes is going to be 24 y/o in August and on a max contract. He'll now have a more age appropriate co-star in Brandon Ingram, his childhood best friend, a Yes Man as a Head Coach, and I'm sure many other perks that come with being the future face of the NBA (per Darko). It's time for him to start showing he's worth tearing apart a team that won us a championship.
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Post#102 » by Mattatron » Fri Jun 6, 2025 9:41 pm

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junot111 wrote:Siakam is not doing anything different now that disproves past decisions... Unless we had Halliburton and Carlisle ready to grow on a tree, it made sense to move on from him before the new contract was due. Let's stop lamenting on the past. I'm happy for his success, as well as seeing all the Canadians in the spotlight


The issue is the trade was made because the Raptors thought and still think they have a star player here in Scottie Barnes, but Pascal Siakam was too old to fit his timeline.

Well, Scottie Barnes is going to be 24 y/o in August and on a max contract. He'll now have a more age appropriate co-star in Brandon Ingram, his childhood best friend, a Yes Man as a Head Coach, and I'm sure many other perks that come with being the future face of the NBA (per Darko). It's time for him to start showing he's worth tearing apart a team that won us a championship.


I didn't know we won a chip with Siakam, FVV and OG as the core group. He's not owing you anything, masai made that decision, that team reached it's limits back then. That pacers team is young, talented and deep with all the skills and is builded with a vision, u can clearly see Pritchard and Carlisle had a plan.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Back into the Nba Finals Celebration Party 

Post#103 » by mihaic » Fri Jun 6, 2025 9:48 pm

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junot111 wrote:Siakam is not doing anything different now that disproves past decisions... Unless we had Halliburton and Carlisle ready to grow on a tree, it made sense to move on from him before the new contract was due. Let's stop lamenting on the past. I'm happy for his success, as well as seeing all the Canadians in the spotlight


The issue is the trade was made because the Raptors thought and still think they have a star player here in Scottie Barnes, but Pascal Siakam was too old to fit his timeline.

Well, Scottie Barnes is going to be 24 y/o in August and on a max contract. He'll now have a more age appropriate co-star in Brandon Ingram, his childhood best friend, a Yes Man as a Head Coach, and I'm sure many other perks that come with being the future face of the NBA (per Darko). It's time for him to start showing he's worth tearing apart a team that won us a championship.


Scottie was not the reason for tearing apart the team, despite what realgm claims. They wanted to keep it, but a. It was too expensive, b. Fred left c. OG demanded a trade d. Pascal did not extend e. Nick Nurse bolted to the 6ers.

The mistakes you could certainly say the FO has done were alienating Pascal and not anticipating Rockets FVV overpay, but in the long run they pivoted in a not perfect, but acceptable manner after losing Fred, and replaced OG Pascal (BI, IQ, RJ say hi, we'll see if it pans out).

That said, I really liked Pascal's game. I think Nick Nurse won us a championship but may have contributed to the team's demise post championship.
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Post#104 » by Troubadour » Sat Jun 7, 2025 12:04 am

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junot111 wrote:Siakam is not doing anything different now that disproves past decisions... Unless we had Halliburton and Carlisle ready to grow on a tree, it made sense to move on from him before the new contract was due. Let's stop lamenting on the past. I'm happy for his success, as well as seeing all the Canadians in the spotlight


The issue is the trade was made because the Raptors thought and still think they have a star player here in Scottie Barnes, but Pascal Siakam was too old to fit his timeline.

Well, Scottie Barnes is going to be 24 y/o in August and on a max contract. He'll now have a more age appropriate co-star in Brandon Ingram, his childhood best friend, a Yes Man as a Head Coach, and I'm sure many other perks that come with being the future face of the NBA (per Darko). It's time for him to start showing he's worth tearing apart a team that won us a championship.


Scottie was not the reason for tearing apart the team, despite what realgm claims. They wanted to keep it, but a. It was too expensive, b. Fred left c. OG demanded a trade d. Pascal did not extend e. Nick Nurse bolted to the 6ers.

The mistakes you could certainly say the FO has done were alienating Pascal and not anticipating Rockets FVV overpay, but in the long run they pivoted in a not perfect, but acceptable manner after losing Fred, and replaced OG Pascal (BI, IQ, RJ say hi, we'll see if it pans out).

That said, I really liked Pascal's game. I think Nick Nurse won us a championship but may have contributed to the team's demise post championship.


If the team was too expensive, they went and paid IQ, Ingram and are about to have to pay RJ...what are we talking about?
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Post#105 » by mihaic » Sat Jun 7, 2025 12:06 am

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The issue is the trade was made because the Raptors thought and still think they have a star player here in Scottie Barnes, but Pascal Siakam was too old to fit his timeline.

Well, Scottie Barnes is going to be 24 y/o in August and on a max contract. He'll now have a more age appropriate co-star in Brandon Ingram, his childhood best friend, a Yes Man as a Head Coach, and I'm sure many other perks that come with being the future face of the NBA (per Darko). It's time for him to start showing he's worth tearing apart a team that won us a championship.


Scottie was not the reason for tearing apart the team, despite what realgm claims. They wanted to keep it, but a. It was too expensive, b. Fred left c. OG demanded a trade d. Pascal did not extend e. Nick Nurse bolted to the 6ers.

The mistakes you could certainly say the FO has done were alienating Pascal and not anticipating Rockets FVV overpay, but in the long run they pivoted in a not perfect, but acceptable manner after losing Fred, and replaced OG Pascal (BI, IQ, RJ say hi, we'll see if it pans out).

That said, I really liked Pascal's game. I think Nick Nurse won us a championship but may have contributed to the team's demise post championship.


If the team was too expensive, they went and paid IQ, Ingram and are about to have to pay RJ...what are we talking about?

og, Fred, Pascal make more than rj, iq, bi. One wanted out, another didn't want to extend, the third got overpaid. That's what we are talking about.

Edit: 130.1 Mil vs 98.3. Mil is the salary difference in 2025/26.
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Post#106 » by Los_29 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 5:56 am

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mihaic wrote:
Troubadour wrote:
The issue is the trade was made because the Raptors thought and still think they have a star player here in Scottie Barnes, but Pascal Siakam was too old to fit his timeline.

Well, Scottie Barnes is going to be 24 y/o in August and on a max contract. He'll now have a more age appropriate co-star in Brandon Ingram, his childhood best friend, a Yes Man as a Head Coach, and I'm sure many other perks that come with being the future face of the NBA (per Darko). It's time for him to start showing he's worth tearing apart a team that won us a championship.


Scottie was not the reason for tearing apart the team, despite what realgm claims. They wanted to keep it, but a. It was too expensive, b. Fred left c. OG demanded a trade d. Pascal did not extend e. Nick Nurse bolted to the 6ers.

The mistakes you could certainly say the FO has done were alienating Pascal and not anticipating Rockets FVV overpay, but in the long run they pivoted in a not perfect, but acceptable manner after losing Fred, and replaced OG Pascal (BI, IQ, RJ say hi, we'll see if it pans out).

That said, I really liked Pascal's game. I think Nick Nurse won us a championship but may have contributed to the team's demise post championship.


If the team was too expensive, they went and paid IQ, Ingram and are about to have to pay RJ...what are we talking about?


The core three are all making over 40 million dollars. OG and Pascal are both locked in long-term.

Our core pieces now are cheaper, younger and by trading Pascal and OG it allowed us to fill out the rest of the roster with guys like Walter, Ochai, Mogbo etc.,
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Post#107 » by Troubadour » Sat Jun 7, 2025 1:44 pm

Los_29 wrote:
Troubadour wrote:
mihaic wrote:
Scottie was not the reason for tearing apart the team, despite what realgm claims. They wanted to keep it, but a. It was too expensive, b. Fred left c. OG demanded a trade d. Pascal did not extend e. Nick Nurse bolted to the 6ers.

The mistakes you could certainly say the FO has done were alienating Pascal and not anticipating Rockets FVV overpay, but in the long run they pivoted in a not perfect, but acceptable manner after losing Fred, and replaced OG Pascal (BI, IQ, RJ say hi, we'll see if it pans out).

That said, I really liked Pascal's game. I think Nick Nurse won us a championship but may have contributed to the team's demise post championship.


If the team was too expensive, they went and paid IQ, Ingram and are about to have to pay RJ...what are we talking about?


The core three are all making over 40 million dollars. OG and Pascal are both locked in long-term.

Our core pieces now are cheaper, younger and by trading Pascal and OG it allowed us to fill out the rest of the roster with guys like Walter, Ochai, Mogbo etc.,


1) That logic doesn't really explain why the Raptors had to move all three of those players
2) I'll reserve judgment on the logic to restock the youth of this team until one of those players pop
3) Of all the young players on this team, the most promising are Dick and Shead - neither came through the Siakam trade tree
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Post#108 » by Los_29 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:00 pm

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If the team was too expensive, they went and paid IQ, Ingram and are about to have to pay RJ...what are we talking about?


The core three are all making over 40 million dollars. OG and Pascal are both locked in long-term.

Our core pieces now are cheaper, younger and by trading Pascal and OG it allowed us to fill out the rest of the roster with guys like Walter, Ochai, Mogbo etc.,


1) That logic doesn't really explain why the Raptors had to move all three of those players
2) I'll reserve judgment on the logic to restock the youth of this team until one of those players pop
3) Of all the young players on this team, the most promising are Dick and Shead - neither came through the Siakam trade tree


They lost Fred, OG wanted out and Pascal and Scottie weren’t a great fit. Current core is younger and cheaper.

Ochai was indirectly part of the Pascal trade. He showed he could be a good 3+D piece. Quite a few would argue that Walter is better than Dick. Shead is a nice piece but doesn’t have the upside that Walter has.

The young guys don’t have to pop for it to make sense. It was the direction they needed to go in regardless.
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Sounds good, Hali says the right things. Makes it seem like a team can succeed without a clear #1 and #2, with two co-stars instead. With a deep supporting cast including defenders and shooters.

On the other hand, both guys underperformed last night with 17 and 15 points. OKC seems to have enough defense for both of them, and still contain the guys like Nesmith, Nembhard, Turner and Toppin. We'll see if a couple of Pacers can get hot and score in the 20s at home.
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