Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[Ron Swanson]

Okoro's a fine enough young player to take a flier on as long as you're not expecting him to have any sort of untapped offensive potential left (it's just not there). I think Cleveland might even give him up for free (or like, our 2nd round pick) if you offer to absorb him into our MLE. Hope is that you're getting a KCP type 3&D dude locked up for his prime years.

[raferfenix]

Dame’s injury is dark enough where Beal crossed my mind as someone Horst will be pitched about at least.

Beal will also “only” be 33 at the end of his deal while Dame will be 36.

What he’ll be able to do even when he comes back is a big question. But getting stuck with Beal’s no trade clause is a dark prospect as well.

Gambo latest:

They do NOT want him back. But he is untradable and if he does not agree to a buyout they may be stuck with him…They 100% don't want him and are looking at how to get out.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/phoenix-suns/suns-do-not-want-bradley-beal-return-next-season

[machu46]

I would happily welcome Kispert or Okoro onto this team. Probably a slight preference for Okoro just because I'd prefer a renewed commitment to defense, but I think Kispert can help a playoff team too.

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[soxperry]

the whole "trading giannis is the only way we won't become irrelevant" schick disgusts me


even if was true, it's so f'ing disrespectful to the greatest athlete our state has ever had

99% of Giannis trades proposed here are under the assumption that Giannis demands a trade. We all understand that. Keep up, Greg.

why bother assuming he'll do something he's never going to do?

"Under the assumption" is not the same as assuming he actually will. Its simply a hypothetical exercise. But on that note, no one can say with certainty that he will not ask for a trade. To assume that is to assume that you know Giannis on a personal level at a magnitude that resembles his relationship with his wife or brother. Are you Mariah or Thanasis? Or his mom perhaps? If not, it would serve you well to remind yourself that Giannis's career is not a fairy tale that has been created to make Bucks fans happy. It is his life and he could change his mind at any moment.

I think the longer he plays here the more likely it is that he never leaves, but thats just my assumption. I could definitely be wrong. I hope you also realize that about your own assumptions....thats the tl/dr

[Ron Swanson]

I didn't think much of the new mechanism of being able to absorb an already under contract player into the MLE, but looking at how many of those size contracts that the apron teams will have, and I'm wondering if we're going to see it used more often than I originally thought:

Donte
Mike Conley
Royce O'Neal
Isaac Okoro
Sam Hauser
Moses Moody
Kelly Olynyk
Jonas Valanciunas
Caleb Martin
Kyle Anderson
Wendell Carter Jr.

Yeah, I can see any of these guys essentially being available for free or for very minimal compensation (2nd's). I think some of these guys might even be no-brainers if you're able to use whatever's left ($3-4 million) of the MLE towards another player, but I haven't seen that confirmed.

[emunney]

I would happily welcome Kispert or Okoro onto this team. Probably a slight preference for Okoro just because I'd prefer a renewed commitment to defense, but I think Kispert can help a playoff team too.

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I'm pretty interested in Kispert as a buy low potential sharpshooter (if he is a buy low guy). I actually think he could be ok defensively and mainly looked bad because he was out there with JV so much.

Okoro actually doing the defensive things Prince was tasked with could be interesting.

[Bernman]

I didn't think much of the new mechanism of being able to absorb an already under contract player into the MLE, but looking at how many of those size contracts that the apron teams will have, and I'm wondering if we're going to see it used more often than I originally thought:

Donte
Mike Conley
Royce O'Neal
Isaac Okoro
Sam Hauser
Moses Moody
Kelly Olynyk
Jonas Valanciunas
Caleb Martin
Kyle Anderson
Wendell Carter Jr.

Yeah, I can see any of these guys essentially being available for free or for very minimal compensation (2nd's). I think some of these guys might even be no-brainers if you're able to use whatever's left ($3-4 million) of the MLE towards another player, but I haven't seen that confirmed.

The only one I'd be seriously interested in is Donte, because he'd be a buy-low, & a yr earlier looked like a passable #2-#3 for NY. We know him and Giannis already have chemistry too. Then I'd be moderately intrigued by WCJ, if our other big options went by the wayside.

On average this use of the MLE is producing worse avenues to get better. On the market you'll find a plethora of perimeter guys who'd arguably provide more benefit, i.e.: NAW, Trent, LeVert, Brown, Schroder, Grimes, LaRavia, etc. And some would provide more space to sign other guys.

[Ron Swanson]

I didn't think much of the new mechanism of being able to absorb an already under contract player into the MLE, but looking at how many of those size contracts that the apron teams will have, and I'm wondering if we're going to see it used more often than I originally thought:

Donte
Mike Conley
Royce O'Neal
Isaac Okoro
Sam Hauser
Moses Moody
Kelly Olynyk
Jonas Valanciunas
Caleb Martin
Kyle Anderson
Wendell Carter Jr.

Yeah, I can see any of these guys essentially being available for free or for very minimal compensation (2nd's). I think some of these guys might even be no-brainers if you're able to use whatever's left ($3-4 million) of the MLE towards another player, but I haven't seen that confirmed.

The only one I'd be seriously interested in is Donte, because he'd be a buy-low, & a yr earlier looked like a passable #2-#3 for NY. We know him and Giannis already have chemistry too. Then I'd be moderately intrigued by WCJ, if our other big options went by the wayside.

On average this use of the MLE is producing worse avenues to get better. On the market you'll find a plethora of perimeter guys who'd arguably provide more benefit, i.e.: NAW, Trent, LeVert, Brown, Schroder, Grimes, LaRavia, etc. And some would provide more space to sign other guys.

We'll see how many of these guys get re-signed by their own teams though (my guess is Grimes and LeVert aren't going anywhere). I don't view the MLE as this super valuable tool to acquire impact players in free agency due to the cap crunch squeezing out the NBA middle-class. Like, it's the one area where we've been really efficient the last couple years (Beasley, Trent, Cam Payne, Prince) in getting these guys on minimums who, 10-15 years ago would normally be getting these kinds of mid-tier contracts. One of those teams could probably even attach a future protected first to dump a contract if it gets them under the apron or if they really want to open up the tax-payer MLE.

[BroncoBuck]

I didn't think much of the new mechanism of being able to absorb an already under contract player into the MLE, but looking at how many of those size contracts that the apron teams will have, and I'm wondering if we're going to see it used more often than I originally thought:

Donte
Mike Conley
Royce O'Neal
Isaac Okoro
Sam Hauser
Moses Moody
Kelly Olynyk
Jonas Valanciunas
Caleb Martin
Kyle Anderson
Wendell Carter Jr.

Yeah, I can see any of these guys essentially being available for free or for very minimal compensation (2nd's). I think some of these guys might even be no-brainers if you're able to use whatever's left ($3-4 million) of the MLE towards another player, but I haven't seen that confirmed.

I’ve been all aboard the absorb Sam Hauser train. Posted about it a few weeks ago, but we’re in a good position to possibly be paid to take on a role player for nothing but apron space. Boston sending us some second rounders to take him would be great.

[soxperry]

I didn't think much of the new mechanism of being able to absorb an already under contract player into the MLE, but looking at how many of those size contracts that the apron teams will have, and I'm wondering if we're going to see it used more often than I originally thought:

Donte
Mike Conley
Royce O'Neal
Isaac Okoro
Sam Hauser
Moses Moody
Kelly Olynyk
Jonas Valanciunas
Caleb Martin
Kyle Anderson
Wendell Carter Jr.

Yeah, I can see any of these guys essentially being available for free or for very minimal compensation (2nd's). I think some of these guys might even be no-brainers if you're able to use whatever's left ($3-4 million) of the MLE towards another player, but I haven't seen that confirmed.

I’ve been all aboard the absorb Sam Hauser train. Posted about it a few weeks ago, but we’re in a good position to possibly be paid to take on a role player for nothing but apron space. Boston sending us some second rounders to take him would be great.

are we? we are going to be hard capped at the first apron.. so i guess it comes down to would you rather have Houser or KPJ.

I know what i am picking

[jakecronus8]

KPJ taking a giant leap on a reasonable contract is one of the only semi plausible scenarios for getting out of this mess, even if the chances are minute.

[Bernman]

KPJ taking a giant leap on a reasonable contract is one of the only semi plausible scenarios for getting out of this mess, even if the chances are minute.

I agree, except for the projection. I mean, he did average an efficient 21/7/7/2.3 per 36 for us. Nobody else in the league put up that line. And at 22 he already averaged 19/6/5/1.4 on middling efficiency. So for him to scale up to near this season's per 36 #'s going into prime is very plausible.

To me, he's got to be the #1 priority, while simultaneously drawing the line way under 10m per due to the role, playoff dip, & his off the court issues. We should at least get him on the BAE. That, or a handshake, would enable building a real roster, while having a potential Robin.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I think it's possible for a very talented G.M. to make the necessary moves to keep you guys in contention.

There are some under appreciated UFAs that can potentially be had for bargains:

Jared Butler - he plays a position of need and he's steadily improved each season. Could be in line for a breakout and is a starting caliber talent.

Kai Jones - quietly put together some solid tape with the Mavs. Would provide nice depth at the 4/5

Brandon Boston - proved he was capable of providing 25 mpg with potential for more

There's quite a few RFAs you might be able to outbid since so many teams are having cap issues:

Ajay Mitchell - PG (OKC)
Jalen Wilson - F (BK)
Gui Santos - F (GS)
Isaiah Jackson - C (IND)

While this draft class is weak and has awful depth, sometimes a gem falls through the cracks so maybe you luck out with your 2nd round pick

Some 2nd rounders to hope for:

Dink Pate
Hunter Sallis
Lance Olbrich
Sion James

I know all the talk has been about needing to trade Giannis and maybe having to if he quietly demands a trade, but as long as you have Giannis, he's so good that a team built around his specific talents can be done on the cheap. I seriously doubt Horst can do it but it's at least possible.

[RiotPunch]

little_cleo has a new handle and is now gracing us with free agency advice. God Bless.

[Bucknado]

What’s the asking price for #26 or #27? I wonder if the Bucks think they can get 8, given the rumor of working out lotto guys.

[soxperry]

KPJ taking a giant leap on a reasonable contract is one of the only semi plausible scenarios for getting out of this mess, even if the chances are minute.

I agree, except for the projection. I mean, he did average an efficient 21/7/7/2.3 per 36 for us. Nobody else in the league put up that line. And at 22 he already averaged 19/6/5/1.4 on middling efficiency. So for him to scale up to near this season's per 36 #'s going into prime is very plausible.

To me, he's got to be the #1 priority, while simultaneously drawing the line way under 10m per due to the role, playoff dip, & his off the court issues. We should at least get him on the BAE. That, or a handshake, would enable building a real roster, while having a potential Robin.

this guy gets it.

with the Dame injury, this is an amazing opportunity for him to not only get massive minutes but be a number 2 option who we can run the offense through with Giannis on the bench. he's a great fit with Giannis for many reasons, especially his penchant for steals and his abilities in transition. he's a great guy to have on the court without Giannis because he is not some Cam Thomas guy who just hoists shots all day. In Milwaukee, he showed an eagerness to generate easy open looks for his teammates, especially in first halves of games.

His ceiling is very high. The interesting thing is, if not for off court stuff, his floor is also pretty high. He's already a pretty good player who can effect the game in a lot of ways, has great speed and athleticism, and has some interesting moves around the hoop where he plays with timing and speed to get room for the shot.

I would absolutely start him all year and see what he can become. The only problem is that you now have to replace him on the bench with someone besides Bobby who can create offense.

[Frank Nova]

Still trying to figure out a way to get KD to Milwaukee…

Dame and Pat for KD and Grayson is interesting. Saves Phoenix 8m, they can shut down Dame and apply for an injury exemption and they don’t have to pay Grayson for the next 3yrs.

Grayson is already familiar with Milwaukee, Giannis has mentioned his whole career his admiration for Durant and we get the best imaginable sidekick for Giannis without coughing up the 2031 1st.

Who says no?

[MickeyDavis]

Dame has to be out until next June to get an injury exception, that's not happening. Sure there could be a setback but it has to be verified by independent league docs.

[pifhluk23]

Still trying to figure out a way to get KD to Milwaukee…

Dame and Pat for KD and Grayson is interesting. Saves Phoenix 8m, they can shut down Dame and apply for an injury exemption and they don’t have to pay Grayson for the next 3yrs.

Grayson is already familiar with Milwaukee, Giannis has mentioned his whole career his admiration for Durant and we get the best imaginable sidekick for Giannis without coughing up the 2031 1st.

Who says no?

Phoenix laughs at this, there are way better deals out there for KD.

[Frank Nova]

Still trying to figure out a way to get KD to Milwaukee…

Dame and Pat for KD and Grayson is interesting. Saves Phoenix 8m, they can shut down Dame and apply for an injury exemption and they don’t have to pay Grayson for the next 3yrs.

Grayson is already familiar with Milwaukee, Giannis has mentioned his whole career his admiration for Durant and we get the best imaginable sidekick for Giannis without coughing up the 2031 1st.

Who says no?

Phoenix laughs at this, there are way better deals out there for KD.

Maybe.. I’m not really sold on that, tho. Phoenix is in the worst spot imaginable financially and with their personnel. No one is selling the farm for KD, no one. It won’t be a salary dump because KD has more value than that but taking on Graysons contract will be a huge win for Phoenix a long with saving them money immediately. KD is also in the last year of his deal so unless he comes with a max extension, what’s the real trade value there either way? I think Phoenix’s overall situation puts a huge damper on KDs real value and the chances of them being wowed in a trade are razor thin. They’re much more likely to settle for a deal that just simply ‘works for them’. KD is gone for nothing if he’s still on that roster after the deadline.

Pairing KD and Giannis in the Bucks current situation just makes so much sense. The timing couldn’t be more perfect.

This won’t be popular opinion but I’d honestly throw in that 2031 1st or I’d at least look into trying to turn it into multiple picks so the Bucks can save 1 and have 1 or 2 to move….

Kuzma, Pat and Bobby for KD is a trade that works in the same regard but you can’t take on Graysons contract and I think that’s a major selling point if you want to get KD at reasonable cost. Grayson has a 20m PO for 3yrs from now and his contract increases 16-18-20 until it’s over. I’m 100% sure with the current state of the Phoenix Suns that they view that as problematic.