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Post#1861 » by Shak_Celts » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:05 am

Curmudgeon wrote:I think Stevens' real target is Flagg, not Giannis. Can he pull it off? Very doubtful, but less so than Giannis.

Doubtful? Who on our team can get Flagg? Maybe healthy Tatum? I wouldn’t even guarantee that.

Say he’s “only” Banchero, you’d have him on his rookie deal for 4-5 seasons at least. I don’t know what #1 gets paid per season but I doubt it’s even 25m.

Wemby is going to get cashed out soon. They paid Fox (?). Then add on Tatum’s money. I don’t think they are going to pay out like these bigger markets.

I know KD is the rumor, but he’s nearly out of obscene money levels. Tatum is young enough to be in line for two more contracts bigger than the 60ish he’s getting now. If his health and play holds up like the players are starting to do, into their late thirties, he’ll at least get one more and the next will likely be around what he’s getting now. Money is crazy for players now.

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Post#1862 » by Shak_Celts » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:09 am

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phincsfan wrote:It’s amazing people think Giannis will be playing in Boston. Only time that happens is when whatever team he’s on is on a road trip in Mass.

Before the Luka trade to LA, I'm with you.

But after Luka ended up in LA, you can't totally rule out improbable scenarios now.

Meh. I smell caca on that deal. Can’t use that.

Still, bridges did bring in a haul. Things are getting crazy. You might be right.
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Post#1863 » by fallguy » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:33 am

ddb wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I think Stevens' real target is Flagg, not Giannis. Can he pull it off? Very doubtful, but less so than Giannis.


I would love that, but like you said, how could he even pull that off?


Okay, it's absurd. It won't happen. But let's play...

Here's the reality: Dallas has corned itself with a win-now posture. Kyrie + AD + Lively gives them a 2-3 year window. But it's not a window that's open very wide. Those three don't get it done. Especially in the west. They're missing a real star wing plus defense / playmaking in the backcourt. So you have to hand them something they can plausibly add to their top-3 guys and say 'we can make a run at it with these guys'. You also have to help them clear their books to do it. I think that means sending JB and DW to Dallas and bringing back PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford. That's the core of the deal, although you might need to move KP first or add other parts on the deal with Dallas.
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Post#1864 » by ddb » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:54 am

fallguy wrote:
ddb wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I think Stevens' real target is Flagg, not Giannis. Can he pull it off? Very doubtful, but less so than Giannis.


I would love that, but like you said, how could he even pull that off?


Okay, it's absurd. It won't happen. But let's play...

Here's the reality: Dallas has corned itself with a win-now posture. Kyrie + AD + Lively gives them a 2-3 year window. But it's not a window that's open very wide. Those three don't get it done. Especially in the west. They're missing a real star wing plus defense / playmaking in the backcourt. So you have to hand them something they can plausibly add to their top-3 guys and say 'we can make a run at it with these guys'. You also have to help them clear their books to do it. I think that means sending JB and DW to Dallas and bringing back PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford. That's the core of the deal, although you might need to move KP first or add other parts on the deal with Dallas.


No thank you. Horrible. All that to take a chance on a white American. He’s good, but he isn’t Larry Bird.
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Post#1865 » by Bill Lumbergh » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:04 am

When do we think that Brad will make his first deal? In the several days before the draft? That's what I am going with. Man, it's getting close. Can't wait. Plus, the rumors and leaks will start to come out more and more. Great time of the year for fans.
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Post#1866 » by Fierce1 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:32 am

Shak_Celts wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:It’s amazing people think Giannis will be playing in Boston. Only time that happens is when whatever team he’s on is on a road trip in Mass.

Before the Luka trade to LA, I'm with you.

But after Luka ended up in LA, you can't totally rule out improbable scenarios now.

Meh. I smell caca on that deal. Can’t use that.

Still, bridges did bring in a haul. Things are getting crazy. You might be right.

5 1st rnd picks for a player who's not even an All-Star.

Insane!
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Post#1867 » by flintsky21 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:23 am

If there's one thing I've realized about these Pacers, it's that you don't need a 25 ppg guy to be really good, or even three 19 ppg guys. You need a really good coach though.

Which makes me think we can probably be somewhat competitive next year even without Tatum, led by Brown and White. But it all depends on what we can get for Jrue and KP.

I also realize there's still value in a sort of traditional 4 like Siakam (yes, he shoots 3s, but he gets a lot of offense around the basket, from post-ups and slashing and midrange). Just someone who can punish when opposing teams go small. I don't think I wanna see another live by the 3 die by the 3 team again next year. Can we have perpetual Cs target John Collins to be that guy for us?

There's probably no rush to find the next Celtics big next season, but KP is just not that guy. Adebayo is my pipe dream.
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Post#1868 » by winsomme2 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:17 am

Fierce1 wrote:The key here is what Jrue can get us.

If reports are true that there are multiple teams interested in Jrue, a guy like Cam Johnson is really gettable

KP doesn't have to be traded immediately.

A lineup of:

C - KP
PF - Cam Johnson
SF - JB
SG - White
PG - PP

That lineup will win 45 games easy.


If Brad could turn Jrue into Cam that would be a serious master move. Add in a some savvy/lucky drafting (Clayton, Flemming) and a late season return of Tatum and we could be back in on a playoff run.

I agree about KP. We can't sell low on him. Need to hope he is actually okay and give it another roll of the dice. He actually works well in our system.
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Post#1869 » by phincsfan » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:32 am

NotAKnicksFan wrote:
ddb wrote:
phincsfan wrote:It’s amazing people think Giannis will be playing in Boston. Only time that happens is when whatever team he’s on is on a road trip in Mass.


Here’s the thing. If Dallas or Spurs really want, they can probably land Giannis over anyone else. But it seems like neither one of those teams are willing to move their pick.
Please tell me a team that can outbid a JB, 3 firsts, 3-4 seconds, and a swap. JB locked in for 4 years. They don’t have their own picks so tanking doesn’t make sense.

Knicks- Towns/Bridges or OG, McBride? They already gave up their picks. Brown and picks is the better deal.

Raptors- Barnes? RJ? I’ll take Brown and picks

Miami- Bam? Herro? Brown package is better.

And let’s also not ignore that Giannis has already said he prefers to stay east. If he’s open to West then Spurs and Houston have a shot at it.

I’ll also add this. Has Brad Stevens given you ANY indication that he isn’t a competitive psycho since taking over as President/GM? Do you really think he’s not going to at least try?


Ill go even further , brad will try and aquire giannis without trading brown or tatum

6 future firsts , and whatever else/young talent , expirings he can get for white, porzingis , jrue and hauser .


Please tell me you were just throwing out the number “6” with future firsts ?
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Post#1870 » by 165bows » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:34 am

ddb wrote:
fallguy wrote:
ddb wrote:
I would love that, but like you said, how could he even pull that off?


Okay, it's absurd. It won't happen. But let's play...

Here's the reality: Dallas has corned itself with a win-now posture. Kyrie + AD + Lively gives them a 2-3 year window. But it's not a window that's open very wide. Those three don't get it done. Especially in the west. They're missing a real star wing plus defense / playmaking in the backcourt. So you have to hand them something they can plausibly add to their top-3 guys and say 'we can make a run at it with these guys'. You also have to help them clear their books to do it. I think that means sending JB and DW to Dallas and bringing back PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford. That's the core of the deal, although you might need to move KP first or add other parts on the deal with Dallas.


No thank you. Horrible. All that to take a chance on a white American. He’s good, but he isn’t Larry Bird.

What the hell’s that got to do with it? Prospects are potential but Flagg is aeons better than those guys were at that age the guy is an elite elite tier prospect at the most premium position. Oh and he’s prob the only one of our lifetime that wants to be in Boston.
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Post#1871 » by NotAKnicksFan » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:44 am

phincsfan wrote:
NotAKnicksFan wrote:
ddb wrote:
Here’s the thing. If Dallas or Spurs really want, they can probably land Giannis over anyone else. But it seems like neither one of those teams are willing to move their pick.
Please tell me a team that can outbid a JB, 3 firsts, 3-4 seconds, and a swap. JB locked in for 4 years. They don’t have their own picks so tanking doesn’t make sense.

Knicks- Towns/Bridges or OG, McBride? They already gave up their picks. Brown and picks is the better deal.

Raptors- Barnes? RJ? I’ll take Brown and picks

Miami- Bam? Herro? Brown package is better.

And let’s also not ignore that Giannis has already said he prefers to stay east. If he’s open to West then Spurs and Houston have a shot at it.

I’ll also add this. Has Brad Stevens given you ANY indication that he isn’t a competitive psycho since taking over as President/GM? Do you really think he’s not going to at least try?


Ill go even further , brad will try and aquire giannis without trading brown or tatum

6 future firsts , and whatever else/young talent , expirings he can get for white, porzingis , jrue and hauser .


Please tell me you were just throwing out the number “6” with future firsts ?


Knicks traded like 5 future firsts for bridges

We can do 6 lol
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Post#1872 » by phincsfan » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:51 am

NotAKnicksFan wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
NotAKnicksFan wrote:
Ill go even further , brad will try and aquire giannis without trading brown or tatum

6 future firsts , and whatever else/young talent , expirings he can get for white, porzingis , jrue and hauser .


Please tell me you were just throwing out the number “6” with future firsts ?


Knicks traded like 5 future firsts for bridges

We can do 6 lol


I can’t tell if you’re serious or joking, but I hope Stevens NEVER tries to replicate anything the Knicks do as an organization.
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Post#1873 » by FlatearthZorro » Sat Jun 7, 2025 12:11 pm

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Hal14 wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:I’m not saying we should keep Joe, not saying he can do no wrong, I’m not even saying he’s great (I think he’s good), but I hope if he’s replaced we win all the chips. I guarantee the same people calling for his head won’t have anything to say if the new coach doesn't win either.

I remember that Brad, without a finals appearance or chip, is the genius coach while Ime (before the scandal) wasn’t a good coach. People are still claiming he isn’t a good coach on this forum til this day! Baffling.

I'm assuming Flat Earth just means to hire Jenkins as an assistant? I could be wrong.

But we never really replaced Charles Lee with a legit assistant..think that could have been a factor in our play last season both in reg season and in playoffs that wasn't quite up to par compared to the 23-24 season..

You are probably right, my bad to Flat Earth if I’m wrong. I read the posts from them before that about Joe wasting our opportunities, thought it was a continuance of that.


I like Jenkins as a head coach. I dunno what will happen to Joe, I certainly believe he's talented, but he was rushed and I truly believe he has cost us so far. I think he lucked into an extremely talented squad which very few coaches get as their first gig.
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Post#1874 » by FlatearthZorro » Sat Jun 7, 2025 12:12 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:Hire Jenkins, trade KP and Jrue for whatever could save you money. Be competitive, look towards next season.

I’m not saying we should keep Joe, not saying he can do no wrong, I’m not even saying he’s great (I think he’s good), but I hope if he’s replaced we win all the chips. I guarantee the same people calling for his head won’t have anything to say if the new coach doesn't win either.

I remember that Brad, without a finals appearance or chip, is the genius coach while Ime (before the scandal) wasn’t a good coach. People are still claiming he isn’t a good coach on this forum til this day! Baffling.


Oh and btw, Ime is a decent motivator... To me he's not that great at the Xs and Os of the game. Brad is absolutely more knowledgeable. Ime is a fantastic motivator and promotes rough b-ball.
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Post#1875 » by FlatearthZorro » Sat Jun 7, 2025 12:14 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Before the Luka trade to LA, I'm with you.

But after Luka ended up in LA, you can't totally rule out improbable scenarios now.

Meh. I smell caca on that deal. Can’t use that.

Still, bridges did bring in a haul. Things are getting crazy. You might be right.

5 1st rnd picks for a player who's not even an All-Star.

Insane!


It's absolutely crazy that Luka cost 4 FRPs less than Bridges. Don't get me wrong, Luka has A LOTS of flaws, but he's capable of running an offense on his own. Bridges is your 4th best guy on a championship squad. Heck, White is FAR better than Bridges
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Post#1876 » by Fierce1 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 12:20 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:Meh. I smell caca on that deal. Can’t use that.

Still, bridges did bring in a haul. Things are getting crazy. You might be right.

5 1st rnd picks for a player who's not even an All-Star.

Insane!


It's absolutely crazy that Luka cost 4 FRPs less than Bridges. Don't get me wrong, Luka has A LOTS of flaws, but he's capable of running an offense on his own. Bridges is your 4th best guy on a championship squad. Heck, White is FAR better than Bridges

Maybe White can also get us 5 1st rnd picks. :lol:
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Post#1877 » by FlatearthZorro » Sat Jun 7, 2025 1:11 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:5 1st rnd picks for a player who's not even an All-Star.

Insane!


It's absolutely crazy that Luka cost 4 FRPs less than Bridges. Don't get me wrong, Luka has A LOTS of flaws, but he's capable of running an offense on his own. Bridges is your 4th best guy on a championship squad. Heck, White is FAR better than Bridges

Maybe White can also get us 5 1st rnd picks. :lol:


I'd do it! 8-)
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Post#1878 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Jun 7, 2025 1:14 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:5 1st rnd picks for a player who's not even an All-Star.

Insane!


It's absolutely crazy that Luka cost 4 FRPs less than Bridges. Don't get me wrong, Luka has A LOTS of flaws, but he's capable of running an offense on his own. Bridges is your 4th best guy on a championship squad. Heck, White is FAR better than Bridges

Maybe White can also get us 5 1st rnd picks. :lol:


So you want to do a complete rebuild?

Here's the path to Flagg: Brown to SA for Vassell, Sochan and #2. Jrue and #2 to Dallas for Gafford, filler and #1.
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Post#1879 » by RickyDizzle » Sat Jun 7, 2025 1:24 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
It's absolutely crazy that Luka cost 4 FRPs less than Bridges. Don't get me wrong, Luka has A LOTS of flaws, but he's capable of running an offense on his own. Bridges is your 4th best guy on a championship squad. Heck, White is FAR better than Bridges

Maybe White can also get us 5 1st rnd picks. :lol:


So you want to do a complete rebuild?

Here's the path to Flagg: Brown to SA for Vassell, Sochan and #2. Jrue and #2 to Dallas for Gafford, filler and #1.


Lol, so Dallas takes on Jrues crappy deal for the opportunity to not draft Flagg? Wouldn't they rather have JB in the first place. I'm assuming this must be a joke.
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Post#1880 » by Fierce1 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:41 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
It's absolutely crazy that Luka cost 4 FRPs less than Bridges. Don't get me wrong, Luka has A LOTS of flaws, but he's capable of running an offense on his own. Bridges is your 4th best guy on a championship squad. Heck, White is FAR better than Bridges

Maybe White can also get us 5 1st rnd picks. :lol:


So you want to do a complete rebuild?

Here's the path to Flagg: Brown to SA for Vassell, Sochan and #2. Jrue and #2 to Dallas for Gafford, filler and #1.

Not happening.

Flagg is the get out of jail free card of Nico and Mavs ownership.

Mavs fans now not so upset about the Luka trade because of Flagg.

So if there's a trade that 100% will not happen, it's trading Flagg.

All that talk of championship and win now is taking a back seat to the Mavs trying to win their fans back.

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