The next Knicks head coach

[knicksstuff]

Any Dallas fans give a breakdown of Kidd offensive and defensive coaching style. Does he excel at one more than the other

Former Mavs fan as of recently so I can answer this. Lousy on offense, not a good play caller and completely leaned on Luka and Kyrie to keep the offense afloat, there was no excuse for Dallas to never have a top 5 offense under his tenure (they were number 1 in Luka's 2nd season with Carlisle). Ironic but true for one of the greatest point guards in NBA history. Pretty good on defense, that came from working under Frank Vogel and his defensive style is reminiscent of Vogel, but you need a defensive anchor at center with that, that's why Lively's injury hurt them so much this last season. Generally smart with challenges although sometimes he doesn't make an obvious one in regular season games he seems checked out of. Knows when to call timeouts. Substitutions are sometime questionable but he is not unique in that regard. B or C tier coach, maybe a B minus

Thanks . Funny sounds a lot like thibs

[ArksNetsSince99]

I'm hoping for Bryant or Cassell, assuming we can't steal Spo or Finch.

Really hope we don't fall for the Malone / Budenholzer / Jenkins / Monty trap.

You have -897592374 chances for stealing Spo from Miami.

I'm not sure you understand how probibilities work

We may have a 0.0000001% or lower chance of it happening, but it can't be negative. Even if it was completely impossible the probability would be no lower than 0.

My probability wearing Mikal jersey on Knicks Championship parade went below zero

[jkvonny]

It will only become true if they don't get a good replacement. So until that happens, this would be like saying that the Knicks making space to sign Brunson & Hartenstein was a classic "lol knicks" move...and you're just being silly by refusing to acknowledge how good this FO has been.


Oh most definitely. But it's the NBA, we've seen crazier things...especially if Dolan is allowed to throw trucks full of money at the Wolves / Heat until ownership makes their FOs relent.

Good moves and mostly bad moves from the FO in the last 2 decades. Including the most recent event. Past 5 yrs have been good obviously.

As for Spo and Finch. Nah. Ain't happening. But, as you said, who knows.

Anyhow, enuff with the Knicks.

Onto the Pacers/Thunder NBA Finals!!

How many bad moves has this FO made? The Obi Toppin pick during the pandemic year before snagging Quickley? Trading a heavily protected FRP for Cam Reddish before flipping Cam + another heavily protected FRP for Hart? The Kemba & Fournier signings? It's been almost entirely good moves from this FO...despite the FOs of the previous two decades being a disaster.

But yeah, onto the big bad west putting the two-team east in its place, like everyone spent all season berating me about...

Some good, a lot of bad.

Now on to the NBA Finals!

[Sixers in 4]

St. John's coach Rick Pitino said he has zero interest in becoming head coach of the New York Knicks again.

"Absolutely not," Pitino said during a broadcast of Wednesday's game between the New York Yankees and the Cleveland Guardians.

[Bankai]

Knicks dont remember the power play move Jason Kidd tried to pull on the Nets as Coach? And a RealGMer exposed it first? Knicks want that?

[cgf]

You have -897592374 chances for stealing Spo from Miami.

I'm not sure you understand how probibilities work

We may have a 0.0000001% or lower chance of it happening, but it can't be negative. Even if it was completely impossible the probability would be no lower than 0.

My probability wearing Mikal jersey on Knicks Championship parade went below zero

It just got delayed for a year

[cgf]

Good moves and mostly bad moves from the FO in the last 2 decades. Including the most recent event. Past 5 yrs have been good obviously.

As for Spo and Finch. Nah. Ain't happening. But, as you said, who knows.

Anyhow, enuff with the Knicks.

Onto the Pacers/Thunder NBA Finals!!

How many bad moves has this FO made? The Obi Toppin pick during the pandemic year before snagging Quickley? Trading a heavily protected FRP for Cam Reddish before flipping Cam + another heavily protected FRP for Hart? The Kemba & Fournier signings? It's been almost entirely good moves from this FO...despite the FOs of the previous two decades being a disaster.

But yeah, onto the big bad west putting the two-team east in its place, like everyone spent all season berating me about...

Some good, a lot of bad.

Now on to the NBA Finals!

Extreme claims require extreme evidence.

[jkvonny]

How many bad moves has this FO made? The Obi Toppin pick during the pandemic year before snagging Quickley? Trading a heavily protected FRP for Cam Reddish before flipping Cam + another heavily protected FRP for Hart? The Kemba & Fournier signings? It's been almost entirely good moves from this FO...despite the FOs of the previous two decades being a disaster.

But yeah, onto the big bad west putting the two-team east in its place, like everyone spent all season berating me about...

Some good, a lot of bad.

Now on to the NBA Finals!

Extreme claims require extreme evidence.

Haha

[NZB2323]

I find it hilarious that the Knicks are now trying to interview Kidd, who they would have to trade for, because Thibbs hasn’t won a championship.

I don’t think the Mavs want to trade Kidd, Kidd has never won a championship as a head coach, and this shows they fired Thibbs without having a replacement.

[NZB2323]

If we get Giannis with Kidd--and yet still retain at least three of Brunson, KAT, OG, Robinson, Mikal and Hart--then I will ask my kids to (re)name all my grandkids either "Leon" or "Rose."

what if they have to give up brunson and kat? that would be a high price to pay

My opinion is that we'd have to keep Brunson--and at least two of OG, KAT, Mikal, Hart, and Robinson--in order to make this a go. Otherwise, we'd just end up being the current Bucks (shudder...).

My personal preference is giving up KAT and Mikal (and keeping Brunson, OG, Hart, and Robinson). And if we can't get Giannis for a package centered on KAT and Mikal, I'd prefer that we'd then walk away from negotiating for Giannis...and Kidd.

Why would the Bucks trade Giannis for KAT and Mikal? If you’re hoping to keep 3 of those 6, the Bucks might do Giannis for Brunson, KAT, and OG.

And what are you trading for Kidd in this scenario?

[taikibansei]

what if they have to give up brunson and kat? that would be a high price to pay

My opinion is that we'd have to keep Brunson--and at least two of OG, KAT, Mikal, Hart, and Robinson--in order to make this a go. Otherwise, we'd just end up being the current Bucks (shudder...).

My personal preference is giving up KAT and Mikal (and keeping Brunson, OG, Hart, and Robinson). And if we can't get Giannis for a package centered on KAT and Mikal, I'd prefer that we'd then walk away from negotiating for Giannis...and Kidd.

Why would the Bucks trade Giannis for KAT and Mikal? If you’re hoping to keep 3 of those 6, the Bucks might do Giannis for Brunson, KAT, and OG.

And what are you trading for Kidd in this scenario?

As I keep writing--including in the very post you quote above--if the Bucks ask for Brunson, we hang up the phone. (Note: I'm not saying that Brunson is better than Giannis, just that this trade only makes sense for us if we can pair Giannis with Brunson and keep at least some of the rest of the core. I.e., we don't want to become the current Bucks--Giannis surrounded by a skeleton crew of B-level talent.)

And also as I wrote, if we don't get Giannis--and I don't think we will--I don't want Kidd. Heck, I don't want Kidd regardless, so "what are you trading for Kidd in this scenario?" is a silly question.

[Paradise]

I have a feelings Leon is going to find a way to get Kidd, KD, and Giannis.

That feeling is called drugs.

[NZB2323]

My opinion is that we'd have to keep Brunson--and at least two of OG, KAT, Mikal, Hart, and Robinson--in order to make this a go. Otherwise, we'd just end up being the current Bucks (shudder...).

My personal preference is giving up KAT and Mikal (and keeping Brunson, OG, Hart, and Robinson). And if we can't get Giannis for a package centered on KAT and Mikal, I'd prefer that we'd then walk away from negotiating for Giannis...and Kidd.

Why would the Bucks trade Giannis for KAT and Mikal? If you’re hoping to keep 3 of those 6, the Bucks might do Giannis for Brunson, KAT, and OG.

And what are you trading for Kidd in this scenario?

As I keep writing--including in the very post you quote above--if the Bucks ask for Brunson, we hang up the phone. (Note: I'm not saying that Brunson is better than Giannis, just that this trade only makes sense for us if we can pair Giannis with Brunson and keep at least some of the rest of the core. I.e., we don't want to become the current Bucks--Giannis surrounded by a skeleton crew of B-level talent.)

And also as I wrote, if we don't get Giannis--and I don't think we will--I don't want Kidd. Heck, I don't want Kidd regardless, so "what are you trading for Kidd in this scenario?" is a silly question.

This is what you wrote:

If we get Giannis with Kidd--and yet still retain at least three of Brunson, KAT, OG, Robinson, Mikal and Hart--then I will ask my kids to (re)name all my grandkids either "Leon" or "Rose."

[taikibansei]

Why would the Bucks trade Giannis for KAT and Mikal? If you’re hoping to keep 3 of those 6, the Bucks might do Giannis for Brunson, KAT, and OG.

And what are you trading for Kidd in this scenario?

As I keep writing--including in the very post you quote above--if the Bucks ask for Brunson, we hang up the phone. (Note: I'm not saying that Brunson is better than Giannis, just that this trade only makes sense for us if we can pair Giannis with Brunson and keep at least some of the rest of the core. I.e., we don't want to become the current Bucks--Giannis surrounded by a skeleton crew of B-level talent.)

And also as I wrote, if we don't get Giannis--and I don't think we will--I don't want Kidd. Heck, I don't want Kidd regardless, so "what are you trading for Kidd in this scenario?" is a silly question.

This is what you wrote:

If we get Giannis with Kidd--and yet still retain at least three of Brunson, KAT, OG, Robinson, Mikal and Hart--then I will ask my kids to (re)name all my grandkids either "Leon" or "Rose."

I guess you don't understand the conditional tense in English. Sad. FYI: A conditional sentence expresses a relationship where one event or situation is dependent on another. It often uses "if" to introduce a condition (the "if-clause") and then states a result or consequence that is reliant on that condition--i.e., if the condition in the "if-clause" is not met, then the latter statement is also not desirable.

As you seem to struggle with English, this is what I also wrote (that you ironically quoted originally):

And if we can't get Giannis for a package centered on KAT and Mikal, I'd prefer that we'd then walk away from negotiating for Giannis...and Kidd.

I.e., I'd only want Giannis if (that conditional again!) we got him and somehow could keep most of the core intact...otherwise, no. And for the dummies, I also wrote this in this very thread:

That said...while I love the idea, due to the salaries involved, I see no viable path forward that gets us Giannis and leaves us with a squad that can still compete. (And if we can't get Giannis, I want no part of Kidd.)

I.e., I've made it very clear from the beginning that I'd only want Giannis in specific circumstances, that I don't think we can get him in these circumstance, and that I don't want Kidd regardless. Embarrassed yet? You should be--cherry-picking lines in posts in order to create straw men that even you can attack is pretty darn sad.

[G R E Y]

Any word on who Knicks want besides Kidd?

Firing Thibs indicates the exit interviews with players must have been bad at the very least. Ok.

Firing Thibs without a replacement doesn't seem prudent, but it happens - create space for new coach.

Some like Pitino and Wright have already publicly declined.

I wonder whether Knicks wanting Kidd means behind the scenes they have word Kidd may be interested. Or it's really just a reach for luring Giannis?

Who else are Knicks interested in?

[taikibansei]

Any word on who Knicks want besides Kidd?

Firing Thibs indicates the exit interviews with players must have been bad at the very least. Ok.

Firing Thibs without a replacement doesn't seem prudent, but it happens - create space for new coach.

Some like Pitino and Wright have already publicly declined.

I wonder whether Knicks wanting Kidd means behind the scenes they have word Kidd may be interested. Or it's really just a reach for luring Giannis?

Who else are Knicks interested in?

Rumor has it that we're also looking at Johnnie Bryant (who I'd much prefer over Kidd).

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That said, Leon's office does a good job at misdirection/keeping the major play under wraps, so we likely won't be sure until just before a hire is made.

[taikibansei]

This has me worried though:

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If Dolan really was involved again, you immediately know there was no real thought put into things, nor is there a viable plan moving forward.

[G R E Y]

This has me worried though:

Read on Twitter

If Dolan really was involved again, you immediately know there was no real thought put into things, nor is there a viable plan moving forward.

*sigh* yeah... On the one hand Dolan not liking Thibs has him looking for ammo. On the other, the exit interviews may have given him just enough of it.

Knicks and fans deserve a better owner, but that's another topic for another day (or year, or decade).

I perused the Knicks board previously and read the Bryant info. Sounds like a top candidate. If he could get KAT to buy in on D...

[TwitterFingers]

I have a feelings Leon is going to find a way to get Kidd, KD, and Giannis.

That feeling is called drugs.

I wouldn’t doubt Leon Rose!

[NZB2323]

As I keep writing--including in the very post you quote above--if the Bucks ask for Brunson, we hang up the phone. (Note: I'm not saying that Brunson is better than Giannis, just that this trade only makes sense for us if we can pair Giannis with Brunson and keep at least some of the rest of the core. I.e., we don't want to become the current Bucks--Giannis surrounded by a skeleton crew of B-level talent.)

And also as I wrote, if we don't get Giannis--and I don't think we will--I don't want Kidd. Heck, I don't want Kidd regardless, so "what are you trading for Kidd in this scenario?" is a silly question.

This is what you wrote:

If we get Giannis with Kidd--and yet still retain at least three of Brunson, KAT, OG, Robinson, Mikal and Hart--then I will ask my kids to (re)name all my grandkids either "Leon" or "Rose."

I guess you don't understand the conditional tense in English. Sad. FYI: A conditional sentence expresses a relationship where one event or situation is dependent on another. It often uses "if" to introduce a condition (the "if-clause") and then states a result or consequence that is reliant on that condition--i.e., if the condition in the "if-clause" is not met, then the latter statement is also not desirable.

As you seem to struggle with English, this is what I also wrote (that you ironically quoted originally):

And if we can't get Giannis for a package centered on KAT and Mikal, I'd prefer that we'd then walk away from negotiating for Giannis...and Kidd.

I.e., I'd only want Giannis if (that conditional again!) we got him and somehow could keep most of the core intact...otherwise, no. And for the dummies, I also wrote this in this very thread:

That said...while I love the idea, due to the salaries involved, I see no viable path forward that gets us Giannis and leaves us with a squad that can still compete. (And if we can't get Giannis, I want no part of Kidd.)

I.e., I've made it very clear from the beginning that I'd only want Giannis in specific circumstances, that I don't think we can get him in these circumstance, and that I don't want Kidd regardless. Embarrassed yet? You should be--cherry-picking lines in posts in order to create straw men that even you can attack is pretty darn sad.

You wrote:

and yet still retain at least three of Brunson, KAT, OG, Robinson, Mikal and Hart

Trading Brunson, KAT, and OG means you would be keeping Robinson, Mikal, and Hart, which is 3.

Why would I feel embarrassed for something you wrote?