2025 Draft Thread - Part 2

[tontoz]

Sengun can't shoot in general. His efficiency wasnt any good in the regular season either. During the regular season 40% of his shots came from 3 -10 feet and he shot only 45% on those attempts.

The Cavs were the worst team in the league for the 3 years Kyrie was their 1st option. Boston played better after he got hurt.

Brunson is more sturdily built than Fears. He weighed 198 at the combine. Fears will get bullied much more than brunson.

Fears didn't shoot well from 3, didn't finish well inside and wasn't a good playmaker either.

[payitforward]

Too much.... You wanna trade two 1sts and one of our youngings, for a player that has two potential comps next season in Peterson and Arenas who shoot even better than him and get to the rim just as frequently..... I wouldn't do that....

No shti! In principle, 6 & 18 is too much to give for 2.

There’s principle and then there’s reality. If you’re convinced that the guy sitting at #2 has all-NBA potential then you might make that trade.

Of course.

[doclinkin]

He's seen the Wizards board....

Assuming he's not lying, I take all of that to mean they won't take Tre. Either Fears or Maluach probably.

Yeah I read that as Maluach. Positional length. Youth. Defensive upside. Smarts. Offensive potential. Timeline. Fits their style to a T.

He was clearly impressed with the workout. As is every scout you hear who’s seen him in this context. Plus I bet teams fall in love with the kid when they meet him. There’s a quiet murmur of buzz with this kid. I’m not surprised if he’s off the board by 6.

In this draft. I know people think the positions are locked in 1-4 but I think there could be a surprise with any player after Flagg. With wild trades possible. A package of Flagg + for Giannis? KD for Harper? Or a PG 13 + Ace + picks swap for KD.

As for Maluach, as he tests well and works his way up draft charts I could see Khaman next to Wemby. Unholy terror of size. Apprentice to Embiid, as the MVP declines with injury. Instantly replacing Mk Wms as a finisher for Melo. (Ok Maybe not on the Jazz with Kessler, though Ainge clearly knows the value of front court play. Khaman as Parrish to Markannens Bird).

I’m expecting volatility above all. Watch. VJ Edgecombe slip to us as the Best Player Available.

[NatP4]

I didn’t realize that Richardson is actually 19. Tankathon has the incorrect age on his profile.

[NatP4]

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He's seen the Wizards board....

Assuming he's not lying, I take all of that to mean they won't take Tre. Either Fears or Maluach probably.

He mentioned the same thing in the Wizards offseason video. Poured some cold water on the idea of Maluach, picked Fears in that mock draft.

I think it’s Essengue

[TheBlackCzar]

Sengun can't shoot in general. His efficiency wasnt any good in the regular season either. During the regular season 40% of his shots came from 3 -10 feet and he shot only 45% on those attempts.

The Cavs were the worst team in the league for the 3 years Kyrie was their 1st option. Boston played better after he got hurt.

Brunson is more sturdily built than Fears. He weighed 198 at the combine. Fears will get bullied much more than brunson.

Fears didn't shoot well from 3, didn't finish well inside and wasn't a good playmaker either.

How often have you actually watched him play instead of running off his stats? Honest question....

[DCZards]

Sengun can't shoot in general. His efficiency wasnt any good in the regular season either. During the regular season 40% of his shots came from 3 -10 feet and he shot only 45% on those attempts.

The Cavs were the worst team in the league for the 3 years Kyrie was their 1st option. Boston played better after he got hurt.

Brunson is more sturdily built than Fears. He weighed 198 at the combine. Fears will get bullied much more than brunson.

Fears didn't shoot well from 3, didn't finish well inside and wasn't a good playmaker either.

How often have you actually watched him play instead of running off his stats? Honest question....

Last season, per 36, Según averaged 21.8pts, 11.8rebs, 5.6assists, 1.3stls, and 0.9blks. That's a top 10 pick in any NBA draft.

[9 and 20]

Dawkins wet dream draft - Essengue and Demin. A team full of tall, skinny dudes. All arms and legs and mediocre jump shots.

[doclinkin]

Assuming he's not lying, I take all of that to mean they won't take Tre. Either Fears or Maluach probably.

He mentioned the same thing in the Wizards offseason video. Poured some cold water on the idea of Maluach, picked Fears in that mock draft.

I think it’s Essengue

Essengue would definitely be on brand. Youngest. Raw. Athletic. Long. We kinda already have that guy in Bilal, but they’re still hunting for upside superstars. I would not be surprised if we add another French kid. Him at 6 or Beringer at 18. Not my choice but I understand if they do. Freak measurables.

[tontoz]

Sengun can't shoot in general. His efficiency wasnt any good in the regular season either. During the regular season 40% of his shots came from 3 -10 feet and he shot only 45% on those attempts.

The Cavs were the worst team in the league for the 3 years Kyrie was their 1st option. Boston played better after he got hurt.

Brunson is more sturdily built than Fears. He weighed 198 at the combine. Fears will get bullied much more than brunson.

Fears didn't shoot well from 3, didn't finish well inside and wasn't a good playmaker either.

How often have you actually watched him play instead of running off his stats? Honest question....

I watched Houston on LP a lot this season since they were doing so well. Sengun feasts on guys like Sarr that he can bully. If he cant get all the way to the rim he throws up garbage shots hoping they go in. His floater is weak. His midrange push shot is laughably ugly. He can't shoot 3s at all.

His TS of 54.5% was Kuzma level.

[nate33]

Sengun can't shoot in general. His efficiency wasnt any good in the regular season either. During the regular season 40% of his shots came from 3 -10 feet and he shot only 45% on those attempts.

The Cavs were the worst team in the league for the 3 years Kyrie was their 1st option. Boston played better after he got hurt.

Brunson is more sturdily built than Fears. He weighed 198 at the combine. Fears will get bullied much more than brunson.

Fears didn't shoot well from 3, didn't finish well inside and wasn't a good playmaker either.

How often have you actually watched him play instead of running off his stats? Honest question....

I watched Houston on LP a lot this season since they were doing so well. Sengun feasts on guys like Sarr that he can bully. If he cant get all the way to the rim he throws up garbage shots hoping they go in. His floater is weak. His midrange push shot is laughably ugly. He can't shoot 3s at all.

His TS of 54.5% was Kuzma level.

Agreed. Sengun is a lot like Sabonis. They're both pretty skilled and very strong. They tend to obliterate weaker centers - guys like Gafford, Turner, Sarr, etc., which helps them pad their stats. But when they go up against the really good defensive centers, they get totally shut down. Ultimately, you have a guy who helps you beat bad teams in the regular season, but don't help you win playoff games.

As I've said before, defense matters more and more as you move up positions. The higher the position, the more likely they will be involved in a defensive plays. 1's and 2's are easiest to hide defensively. You can sometimes get by with a defensive liability there. You really want your 3's and 4's to be good defenders, but if one of them is merely okay you can live with it. 5's absolutely have to be good defenders unless they're HOF-caliber good on offense. They're just involved in too many defensive plays. Even if they're really good offensive players, it's just too hard to get them involved in enough offensive plays so that their good offense offsets their bad D.

[nate33]

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He's seen the Wizards board....

Assuming he's not lying, I take all of that to mean they won't take Tre. Either Fears or Maluach probably.

Yeah, I didn't know what to make of that. Was he saying that he has good intel he was confident they would take Tre if he was there? Or was he saying he has good intel, doesn't want to reveal his intel, and is instead trying to make the pick for Washington as if he didn't have the intel? Which would mean that the Wizards don't really want Tre.

[dckingsfan]

He's seen the Wizards board....

Assuming he's not lying, I take all of that to mean they won't take Tre. Either Fears or Maluach probably.

Yeah, I didn't know what to make of that. Was he saying that he has good intel he was confident they would take Tre if he was there? Or was he saying he has good intel, doesn't want to reveal his intel, and is instead trying to make the pick for Washington as if he didn't have the intel? Which would mean that the Wizards don't really want Tre.

Or was he saying that he has inside information and he is misleading us with his pick because he doesn't want to lose his source. Or was he saying he has inside information and his pick reflects that inside information but not that you know of... or

[dckingsfan]

How often have you actually watched him play instead of running off his stats? Honest question....

I watched Houston on LP a lot this season since they were doing so well. Sengun feasts on guys like Sarr that he can bully. If he cant get all the way to the rim he throws up garbage shots hoping they go in. His floater is weak. His midrange push shot is laughably ugly. He can't shoot 3s at all.

His TS of 54.5% was Kuzma level.

Agreed. Sengun is a lot like Sabonis. They're both pretty skilled and very strong. They tend to obliterate weaker centers - guys like Gafford, Turner, Sarr, etc., which helps them pad their stats. But when they go up against the really good defensive centers, they get totally shut down. Ultimately, you have a guy who helps you beat bad teams in the regular season, but don't help you win playoff games.

As I've said before, defense matters more and more as you move up positions. The higher the position, the more likely they will be involved in a defensive plays. 1's and 2's are easiest to hide defensively. You can sometimes get by with a defensive liability there. You really want your 3's and 4's to be good defenders, but if one of them is merely okay you can live with it. 5's absolutely have to be good defenders unless they're HOF-caliber good on offense. They're just involved in too many defensive plays. Even if they're really good offensive players, it's just too hard to get them involved in enough offensive plays so that their good offense offsets their bad D.

I also think you have to differentiate between Sabonis and Sengun on D. Sabonis is an elite defensive rebounder although not a rim protector. Sengun is neither. I think if you swapped players straight up - Houston would have gone much further in the playoffs.

I think if you were to pair Sabonis and Sarr, that would be interesting if you will. You just can't run 3 weak defensive wings and a PG with him like the Kings did and expect a good outcome. I mean Kegan Murray is your PF and plays D like a guard.

[closg00]

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He's seen the Wizards board....

AI says that he used to be a college hoops coach, but I can’t find out much else about AVC, but I find him to be credible.
If we’re taking Tre (if available), I guess they are entrusting Bub as the PG of our future, I hope this isn’t true.

[doclinkin]

Or was he saying he has good intel, doesn't want to reveal his intel, and is instead trying to make the pick for Washington as if he didn't have the intel? Which would mean that the Wizards don't really want Tre.

That last. This was supposed to be an exercise what he would pick, not a predictive mock draft. Suggesting Tre is not their focus since he doesn’t want to blow his contact. If in fact that source is correct.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

IF we do take Maluach at 6, a player to consider at 18 could be Avdalas. Greek PG with good size, dribble pass shoot skill & athleticism.

Barlow is very high on him and I generally trust his evaluations. Says he’s either 1st round or college bound. Thinks he’s on par and if anything maybe better than the collective group of Demin, Kasparas, Saraf.

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Also possibly worth noting regarding the Wizards drafting Avdalas…. On his mock AVC mentioned a couple of times the Fanspo mock board was missing a player he’d like to select. Also of note, Leonsis is Greek could be an added bonus!

[closg00]

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He's seen the Wizards board....

Assuming he's not lying, I take all of that to mean they won't take Tre. Either Fears or Maluach probably.

He mentioned the same thing in the Wizards offseason video. Poured some cold water on the idea of Maluach, picked Fears in that mock draft.

I think it’s Essengue

God I hope not, there is zero need to smokescreen for Essengue, he will be there at 6.

[gesa2]

But we would put out a smokescreen if we wanted to trade down. Have to make the later team believe they’ll lose their guy

[The Consiglieri]

I would trade 6, 18, and either KG or Bub for #2 and draft Harper. That's as much as I would trade.

Too much.... You wanna trade two 1sts and one of our youngings, for a player that has two potential comps next season in Peterson and Arenas who shoot even better than him and get to the rim just as frequently..... I wouldn't do that....

No shti! In principle, 6 & 18 is too much to give for 2.

Lol, really? This is a draft with a 2 player tier top tier in Flagg and Harper, there's a reason the entire board entered post lottery clinical psychological therapy program after May 12th. It's because we missed out on tier 1. There's no chance in hell the Spurs would trade 2 for an offer as light as 6 and 18 lol, it is flat out laughable to consider that too much.

When you have a class with guys graded like Flagg and Harper at the top, I know you love mid and late round firsts, but the Spurs would spit take that offer and hang up after laughing in our face.

The draft is:
1.01: Flagg
1.02: Harper
Huge Tier Break

everything after, including VJ and Bailey typically locked in as a part of 1.03-1.05.

If we want Harper, we'd have to offer them something huge, which is why we've got no chance of getting Harper. 6 and 18 is laughably light.