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Re: PF targets 

Post#421 » by the_l_train » Fri Jun 6, 2025 6:59 pm

Canadafan wrote:Random thought on a Friday afternoon....

Tobias Fontecchio Sasser whatever draft picks needed(within reason)
For....
Durant!

We use the Room Exception($8.8mil with5%raises) on Beasley(sorry Bease)

Comparison to our 9man rotation playoff team;
Instead of Paul Reed we have Beef Stew
Shröder and THJr replaced by Ivey
Tobias upgraded to Durant

Boom! I luv it :lol:


Too good to be true but seems like Ishbia gonna want something splashier.

Phoenix had a few guys I wouldn’t mind having on this squad…would love to scoop one of these guys up if we in a multi team trade:

Grayson Allen (top 10 3 point %)
Tyus Jones (offered him contract last season but he wanted to play for a winner, lol…one of the few backup PGs out there i’d take over Schroder and hes a FA again)
Nick Richards (only makes sense if Duren/Stew is on the move)
Bol Bol (got flamed for this already so save your breath…I still think he is decent end of bench guy, sue me)
Royce Oneal (solid vet)
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Re: PF targets 

Post#422 » by theBigLip » Fri Jun 6, 2025 8:26 pm

the_l_train wrote:
Canadafan wrote:Random thought on a Friday afternoon....

Tobias Fontecchio Sasser whatever draft picks needed(within reason)
For....
Durant!

We use the Room Exception($8.8mil with5%raises) on Beasley(sorry Bease)

Comparison to our 9man rotation playoff team;
Instead of Paul Reed we have Beef Stew
Shröder and THJr replaced by Ivey
Tobias upgraded to Durant

Boom! I luv it :lol:


Too good to be true but seems like Ishbia gonna want something splashier.

Phoenix had a few guys I wouldn’t mind having on this squad…would love to scoop one of these guys up if we in a multi team trade:

Grayson Allen (top 10 3 point %)
Tyus Jones (offered him contract last season but he wanted to play for a winner, lol…one of the few backup PGs out there i’d take over Schroder and hes a FA again)
Nick Richards (only makes sense if Duren/Stew is on the move)
Bol Bol (got flamed for this already so save your breath…I still think he is decent end of bench guy, sue me)
Royce Oneal (solid vet)


I think the trade could work if we give up a ton of draft capital. But Durant could be a one year rental so I’d pass. If we’re giving up a lot of draft capital, let’s get someone in their 20s.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#423 » by Invictus88 » Fri Jun 6, 2025 9:23 pm

the_l_train wrote:
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Laimbeer wrote:Just googling a little I see Hauser mentioned as a decent defender who is improving on that end. The contract is solid assuming he doesn't regress from his 40% plus three point shooting. But why do I feel like that shooting will fall off a cliff when he gets here? :lol:


His 4 years in the league across 256 games he has shot:
43% on 1.7 attempts
42% on 4.2 attempts
42% on 5.9 attempts
42% on 5.6 attempts

We've shown time and time again the ability to drive and kick out to perimeter players. Beasley is living proof that snipers can thrive here.

Like a lot of the conclusions / statements you make I just don't see logic lining up.

P.S. I'm not saying we need to go get this guy necessarily.


Shooters coming to Detroit and falling off a cliff used to be a thing, and hopefully that curse is over.

Ben Gordon, Charlie V, Jodie Meeks, & Maurice Evans come to mind.

New era though, and Hauser seems pretty damn consistent so far.


Neither Charlie V nor Evans even had drops at all. Meeks had one good year prior. BG fell flat for one year and then went back to career averages.

None really had sustained success prior or sustained difficulties after being acquired.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#424 » by the_l_train » Fri Jun 6, 2025 9:31 pm

Invictus88 wrote:
the_l_train wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
His 4 years in the league across 256 games he has shot:
43% on 1.7 attempts
42% on 4.2 attempts
42% on 5.9 attempts
42% on 5.6 attempts

We've shown time and time again the ability to drive and kick out to perimeter players. Beasley is living proof that snipers can thrive here.

Like a lot of the conclusions / statements you make I just don't see logic lining up.

P.S. I'm not saying we need to go get this guy necessarily.


Shooters coming to Detroit and falling off a cliff used to be a thing, and hopefully that curse is over.

Ben Gordon, Charlie V, Jodie Meeks, & Maurice Evans come to mind.

New era though, and Hauser seems pretty damn consistent so far.


Neither Charlie V nor Evans even had drops at all. Meeks had one good year prior. BG fell flat for one year and then went back to career averages.

None really had sustained success prior or sustained difficulties after being acquired.


I guess Laimbeer and I are just curmudgeons…seemed like players sucking once they came here was a thing at one point, but I stand corrected.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#425 » by Invictus88 » Fri Jun 6, 2025 9:39 pm

the_l_train wrote:
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the_l_train wrote:
Shooters coming to Detroit and falling off a cliff used to be a thing, and hopefully that curse is over.

Ben Gordon, Charlie V, Jodie Meeks, & Maurice Evans come to mind.

New era though, and Hauser seems pretty damn consistent so far.


Neither Charlie V nor Evans even had drops at all. Meeks had one good year prior. BG fell flat for one year and then went back to career averages.

None really had sustained success prior or sustained difficulties after being acquired.


I guess Laimbeer and I are just curmudgeons…seemed like players sucking once they came here was a thing at one point, but I stand corrected.


Oh no. They sucked. We just acquired a lot of players who weren't actually very good or didn't fit for a long, long time.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#426 » by uncleoswald » Sat Jun 7, 2025 1:08 pm

Durant’s game is what we need, but his attitude and age are what we don’t.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#427 » by Rip32 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:01 pm

uncleoswald wrote:Durant’s game is what we need, but his attitude and age are what we don’t.

F?ck KD! The guy is a loser
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Post#428 » by Crymson » Sat Jun 7, 2025 6:19 pm

KD is still a great player. But between the assets acquiring him would cost, his age, and the fact that he plainly wants to play elsewhere, I feel like he's not in the cards in any case.
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Post#429 » by Rip32 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 7:25 pm

Crymson wrote:KD is still a great player. But between the assets acquiring him would cost, his age, and the fact that he plainly wants to play elsewhere, I feel like he's not in the cards in any case.

He was never going to be in the cards at 53 mil a year. That's insane! These big contracts makes it impossible to maneuver so you're essentially suck or you give up half your young roster to get these guys
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Re: PF targets 

Post#430 » by Crymson » Sat Jun 7, 2025 7:27 pm

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Crymson wrote:KD is still a great player. But between the assets acquiring him would cost, his age, and the fact that he plainly wants to play elsewhere, I feel like he's not in the cards in any case.

He was never going to be in the cards at 53 mil a year. That's insane! These big contracts makes it impossible to maneuver so you're essentially suck or you give up half your young roster to get these guys


Yeah, matching salaries would be pretty much impossible without renouncing everyone in the offseason and putting cap space into the mix.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#431 » by Mr Peanut » Sun Jun 8, 2025 9:55 am

Crymson wrote:I think you're reading a lot into a little.


My inference has literally come from a direct quote from LaRavia himself saying he would be interested in signing with us. So it's not a stretch to say that him and his agent have analyzed the makeup of our team and recognized that there are potential minutes available. Not sure how that fits your definition of "reading a lot into a little".

Crymson wrote:But like I said, if he's willing to come here as 10th man on the BAE with the knowledge that he might not play many minutes, yay!


This is just your determination of what his role would be. Probably not LaRavia's given his quoted interest in signing here.

Crymson wrote:So was Fontecchio last season, then, and he had a far greater shooting pedigree -- from his time playing in Europe -- than LaRavia does. It's a one-season sample size, and we've seen what can happen.


The difference is that LaRavia has proven himself as a better defender, is 23 years old and should continue to get better as he enters his prime. Fontecchio will turn 30 soon after next season starts. That's not to say he will start to decline, but it's a fact that he is a known commodity and there's less room for growth from here.

Crymson wrote:You're arguing things both ways here: he's a genuine three-and-D PF, yet he can be had for cheap and would be cool with possibly not playing many minutes when he could get better opportunity elsewhere.


There is nowhere in this thread where I said he would come cheap ("reasonable contract" does not equal cheap), nor anywhere I said that he would be cool with possibly not playing many minutes. You've made a summation of your own individual interpretation there.

Crymson wrote:Plenty of teams will have the NTP-MLE or the TP-MLE. In the scenario we're discussing -- Beasley and Schroder stay -- the Pistons would operate as an above-the-cap team and wouldn't have the MLE available at all. The best they could offer would be the BAE or an S&T, and a large number of other teams have access to those as well.


I already wrote earlier that in this scenario if the FO wanted LaRavia they could look to trade Fontecchio for pure cap space or minimal salary (probably requiring a second round pick to dump him) and then LaRavia would be signed into our cap space first, likely at a AAV similar or a little less than what Fontecchio is currently on. Then Beasley and Schroder would be re-signed as they would have been if we just kept Fontecchio. The alternative of course is a direct S&T with Sacramento where we send them Fontecchio and a second round pick. The truth is if LaRavia wants to come here and our FO wants him then I'm sure our team capologists can make it work.

Crymson wrote:I think you're also drastically overestimating the size of the average NBA power forward.


I never alluded to the size of an average NBA power forward at all. But I don't see Ausar and Holland's skillsets being well suited for anything beyond playing spot minutes at PF, particularly playing alongside Stew who is considered undersized for a C. There's a reason why they've only played 26% and 23% of their career minutes at that position respectively.

Crymson wrote:How did you feel last offseason about Fontecchio -- with only a single season of NBA data -- slotting in as the team's primary backup forward?


Last offseason I felt hopeful about Fontecchio's outlook as our backup PF based on the limited 16 game sample size where he played well for us. Unfortunately that was followed up by a 75 game sample size of fairly underwhelming play and he was rightly benched for the playoffs. Could he bounce back to his 2023/24 form? Possibly. But if we have a superior option on the table who aligns with our young core and could be had for a similar price then naturally it would make sense to chase that.

I'm not certain this discussion is going to lead anywhere fruitful. You have fairly fixed ideas that you seem to perseverate on, ignore key points that I've stated, and now you're suggesting I've said things that were never actually written.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#432 » by BadMofoPimp » Sun Jun 8, 2025 4:20 pm

Only interested in LaRavia as a bench player as I don't want him taking minutes away from Holland/Auser. He can gladly take Font's plus more minutes.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#433 » by the_l_train » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:10 pm

I see Orlando is trying to package Cole Anthony , Jonathan Isaac and a first….

A young Issac is pretty perfect for what we need, but dude is extremely injury prone. I figure the Magic are on the hunt for a point guard or a star.

Don’t hate the idea of Isaac as a backup big. If he miraculously becomes healthy, he could be starter material and ideal defensively next to Duren.

Maybe we can get in on a multi team deal and nab him somehow.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#435 » by GreekAlex » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:02 am

Canadafan wrote:


I wouldn’t give up a 1st for a season of John Collins
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Re: PF targets 

Post#436 » by Snakebites » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:32 am

GreekAlex wrote:
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I wouldn’t give up a 1st for a season of John Collins

A first for John Collins...

I kinda stopped reading after that point. That's total nonsense.
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Post#437 » by Canadafan » Thu Jun 12, 2025 8:54 am

^^ya I am not down with that trade.
Liked the idea of combining thjr with players for a trade though. Let's go Markkanen :wink:
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Post#438 » by Mr Peanut » Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:44 am

Collins had a good year although sometimes you wonder about the inflated stats on a bad team like Utah. I wouldn't trade a first for him though.

It's probably unlikely that his asking price is cheap as Ainge tends to overvalue his guys and asks for the moon in a trade.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#439 » by theBigLip » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:31 pm

I think we can do a Porzingis trade and make it work but could need a third team. In a trade, we can take back up to 175% of the outgoing salary (plus $100,000). Porzingis makes $30,731,707 next year. Fontecchio makes $8,307,692. So we need to send another salary of $9,481,569 to Boston. Trying to do this without trading Tobias.

I guess if not a third team, then to get to the 9.481M, we could use Sasser (2.886M) and do a sign and trade w Hardaway for the difference (6.6M). Not sure if we need picks going either way.
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Post#440 » by Crymson » Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:28 pm

theBigLip wrote:I think we can do a Porzingis trade and make it work but could need a third team. In a trade, we can take back up to 175% of the outgoing salary (plus $100,000). Porzingis makes $30,731,707 next year. Fontecchio makes $8,307,692. So we need to send another salary of $9,481,569 to Boston. Trying to do this without trading Tobias.

I guess if not a third team, then to get to the 9.481M, we could use Sasser (2.886M) and do a sign and trade w Hardaway for the difference (6.6M). Not sure if we need picks going either way.


Boston can't accept a sign-and-trade, as they are far above the first apron. The only way for the Pistons to make it work in the absence of a third team without trading anyone significant is to clear all cap holds and then combine that cap space with Fontecchio's salary. That would match properly, but the Pistons would've gutted the bench for the sake of 50-some games of Porzingis.

Where would you see Porzingis fitting in anyway? The minutes at center are spoken for already, and he's not suited to play significant minutes at power forward after all of his injuries.

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