NBA Trade Thread #12

[Chi town]

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Bulls seeking a late 1st for Vuc?

Wonder if Orlando at 25 could be an option. They need a vet scorer next to Paolo/Franz and are already adding another young guy at 16.

If the Bulls do this that means they really like a player or 2 that project to be drafted late first round.

AK doesn’t usually just trade for picks. Unless he needs another pick to make a trade ? Who knows.

I like Vuc and 45 for a late 1st. No salaries coming back beyond this season.

Cavs looking to move Allen and or Garland. I could see Vuc there with Mobley being his defender. Vuc for Allen and POR pick?

[sco]

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Bulls seeking a late 1st for Vuc?

Wonder if Orlando at 25 could be an option. They need a vet scorer next to Paolo/Franz and are already adding another young guy at 16.

If the Bulls do this that means they really like a player or 2 that project to be drafted late first round.

AK doesn’t usually just trade for picks. Unless he needs another pick to make a trade ? Who knows.

I like Vuc and 45 for a late 1st. No salaries coming back beyond this season.

Cavs looking to move Allen and or Garland. I could see Vuc there with Mobley being his defender. Vuc for Allen and POR pick?

OMG...if those dopes don't trade Vuc because they want something back, I'll be pissed! The gift is being rid of his sorry a$$.

[burlydee]

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Bulls seeking a late 1st for Vuc?

Wonder if Orlando at 25 could be an option. They need a vet scorer next to Paolo/Franz and are already adding another young guy at 16.

I was thinking Orlando was a good trade partner for Vuc as he is better than their current centers (sorry Wendell), fits their style, they can compensate for his bad D or bench him, and expries just when Paolo's massive contract kicks in. A lot of different combos work.

Vuc for KCP and #25
Vuc for Wagner, Howard, Harris (no future money) and #25.

I think this could make some sense for both teams. It all comes down to how they value Vuc.

[Chi town]

Don’t see ORL trading Franz’s brother.

No way Bulls take back KCP’s money.

I’d take Isaac and their late 1st though. Would throw in Lonzo too.

Do t think AK will trade Vuc to a team Bulls will be competing with for a playoff spot.

[burlydee]

Don’t see ORL trading Franz’s brother.

No way Bulls take back KCP’s money.

I’d take Isaac and their late 1st though. Would throw in Lonzo too.

Do t think AK will trade Vuc to a team Bulls will be competing with for a playoff spot.

I think they'll trade Mo. Unless they can get him on a value deal, he might be too expensive. How much are you going to pay your 4th or 5th big when you're approaching the 2nd apron? How much of a pay cut are you willing to take to play with your brother? Maybe it's just me, but if im Mo I want to get paid and I want to play. I'd be happy to come to Chicago.

[Dez]

Mo isn't getting paid coming off an ACL tear.

[GuardianEnzo]

Plus he’s actually a very good player in addition to being their best player’s brother.

[boozapalooza]

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Bulls seeking a late 1st for Vuc?

Wonder if Orlando at 25 could be an option. They need a vet scorer next to Paolo/Franz and are already adding another young guy at 16.

I was thinking Orlando was a good trade partner for Vuc as he is better than their current centers (sorry Wendell), fits their style, they can compensate for his bad D or bench him, and expries just when Paolo's massive contract kicks in. A lot of different combos work.

Vuc for KCP and #25
Vuc for Wagner, Howard, Harris (no future money) and #25.

I think this could make some sense for both teams. It all comes down to how they value Vuc.

Its a win any way we can pick up the late 1st without any future money. Would take Wagner, filler, and 25 for Vuc all day.

[Dez]

Read on Twitter

Bulls seeking a late 1st for Vuc?

Wonder if Orlando at 25 could be an option. They need a vet scorer next to Paolo/Franz and are already adding another young guy at 16.

I was thinking Orlando was a good trade partner for Vuc as he is better than their current centers (sorry Wendell), fits their style, they can compensate for his bad D or bench him, and expries just when Paolo's massive contract kicks in. A lot of different combos work.

Vuc for KCP and #25
Vuc for Wagner, Howard, Harris (no future money) and #25.

I think this could make some sense for both teams. It all comes down to how they value Vuc.

Its a win any way we can pick up the late 1st without any future money. Would take Wagner, filler, and 25 for Vuc all day.

Orlando wouldn't.

[boozapalooza]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/08/bulls-solid-offseason-front-office-hasnt-done-one-thing

Cowley lays out 3 big moves we could make -

1) Gafford for Lonzo
2) Kuminga S&T for Vuc and Lonzo
3) Zion trade - possibly for Coby and Vuc

Of those 3 - give me #3 (assuming the latest allegations clear).

[Infinity2152]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/08/bulls-solid-offseason-front-office-hasnt-done-one-thing

Cowley lays out 3 big moves we could make -

1) Gafford for Lonzo
2) Kuminga S&T for Vuc and Lonzo
3) Zion trade - possibly for Coby and Vuc

Of those 3 - give me #3 (assuming the latest allegations clear).

1. Gafford hits unrestricted free agency next summer, Bulls have Ball for another cheap year in 2026. Going on the record right now and pinning it, it's really going to hurt this team to trade Ball and we're going to look like fools if he's healthy the next two years. He's probably the best overall player on the team right now, and he costs $20 mill total over the next two years. That's outside his proven impact on winning. The whole reason we wanted to get rid of the other players was "They don't impact winning".

2. Kuminga hasn't earned the contract he's going to get, it's still based on potential. If we're trading both those players, think we could do better. If we could send Wiliams in that deal, I'd probably listen. I think they would too, Williams could be a good player somewhere else in another system, and definitely won't gun outside the system like Kuminga for the Warriors.

3. Proven top 10 player ability, still high potential, voidable contract, injury risk.

Risk/reward, I'm going for 3 too. Teams have to take risks, his ceiling is miles above Kuminga or Gafford.

[ChettheJet]

Joe Cowley should really have a better feel for what the Bulls do. They didn't resign Lonzo to trade him, they know what they look like if he's healthy, starting and making a difference for another team. They paid him $70M to do nothing and gave him away to be an excellent contributor somewhere else.

I like Vuc and 45 for a late 1st. No salaries coming back beyond this season.

Cavs looking to move Allen and or Garland. I could see Vuc there with Mobley being his defender. Vuc for Allen and POR pick?

I agree that if the CLE motivation is to cut future salary to stay below some threshold they have to look at Vucevic. He's not the garbage that some here want to claim. Vuc starts with Mobley at the 4 , if they have a backup PF that's worth playing he comes in as Mobley shifts to the 5 also with Vuc. Vuc expires so that backup PF becomes the starter with Mobley the 5 and they get some low priced reserves

Why is CLE interested, because over the next 4 years they save $80M. Why are they willing to trade Garland and/or Allen, FOR THE MONEY. Here's how they do it in one easy sensible trade.

[burlydee]

Mo isn't getting paid coming off an ACL tear.

Isn't that all the more reason for him to go somewhere he can get run?


I don’t even care about Mo, he's just salary. But I don’t think he's a Magic player for life. Or in like 2 seasons.

[burlydee]

Joe Cowley should really have a better feel for what the Bulls do. They didn't resign Lonzo to trade him, they know what they look like if he's healthy, starting and making a difference for another team. They paid him $70M to do nothing and gave him away to be an excellent contributor somewhere else.

I like Vuc and 45 for a late 1st. No salaries coming back beyond this season.

Cavs looking to move Allen and or Garland. I could see Vuc there with Mobley being his defender. Vuc for Allen and POR pick?

I agree that if the CLE motivation is to cut future salary to stay below some threshold they have to look at Vucevic. He's not the garbage that some here want to claim. Vuc starts with Mobley at the 4 , if they have a backup PF that's worth playing he comes in as Mobley shifts to the 5 also with Vuc. Vuc expires so that backup PF becomes the starter with Mobley the 5 and they get some low priced reserves

Why is CLE interested, because over the next 4 years they save $80M. Why are they willing to trade Garland and/or Allen, FOR THE MONEY. Here's how they do it in one easy sensible trade.

Lonzo Ball has played 70 games in 4 seasons. He has played over 60 games once in his career. The Bulls need to trade him for something that can piece over the long term. Lonzo needs to play somewhere that considers him a luxury, not a necessity. If you can get a 1st round pick or starter for Lonzo, you have to trade him.

[The Box Office]

No to Zion. Too much injuries. His chances of getting more injuries are high.
Our very own Lonzo Ball needs to leave, too. It's time.

[jump]

If we traded Vuc and Lonzo for Allen, we could roll with following lineup. We could be very competitive.

Allen Smith Collins
Matas Fleming
Heurter Williams
White Ayo
Giddey Jones

[Infinity2152]

It's hard to argue with people who just assume Lonzo's going to be hurt. The majority of his time lost was due to one injury, that's supposedly healed.

It's always risk/reward. Lonzo's ceiling is higher than almost anybody being proposed, especially a late first that's probably later when the team adds Ball. He's what, 27? The highest BBall IQ on the team, locked up for years. He could easily be the best value contract on the team. Keeping Ball is extremely low risk and low cost, there are at least 10 other Bulls I'd trade before Lonzo. Don't know why people keep trying to push out the one guy who clearly knows how to play both ways and be a floor leader.

There's a reason why so many teams seem to be thrown in Ball trades, he seems to be our most in demand player, lol! I could see wanting to trade him when he was making $20 mill/yr, but $10 mill and team option the next seems super low risk. Hope Giddey is learning from him at least the next two years, personally. The next vet PG is Jevon Carter.

[DuckIII]

Joe Cowley should really have a better feel for what the Bulls do. They didn't resign Lonzo to trade him, they know what they look like if he's healthy, starting and making a difference for another team. They paid him $70M to do nothing and gave him away to be an excellent contributor somewhere else.

I like Vuc and 45 for a late 1st. No salaries coming back beyond this season.

Cavs looking to move Allen and or Garland. I could see Vuc there with Mobley being his defender. Vuc for Allen and POR pick?

I agree that if the CLE motivation is to cut future salary to stay below some threshold they have to look at Vucevic. He's not the garbage that some here want to claim. Vuc starts with Mobley at the 4 , if they have a backup PF that's worth playing he comes in as Mobley shifts to the 5 also with Vuc. Vuc expires so that backup PF becomes the starter with Mobley the 5 and they get some low priced reserves

Why is CLE interested, because over the next 4 years they save $80M. Why are they willing to trade Garland and/or Allen, FOR THE MONEY. Here's how they do it in one easy sensible trade.

Lonzo Ball has played 70 games in 4 seasons. He has played over 60 games once in his career. The Bulls need to trade him for something that can piece over the long term. Lonzo needs to play somewhere that considers him a luxury, not a necessity. If you can get a 1st round pick or starter for Lonzo, you have to trade him.

What kind of first round pick? It better be pretty high.

Lonzo is one of the only good assets the Bulls have going for them. I’m not wasting that asset on a “starter” or a “first rounder” without knowing the details.

We have Lonzo more or less for free. His contract is nothing. If he is healthy and returns to form his trade value could be significant in a year. Maybe even as early as the deadline. That is an asset we need to be patient with, as it has the potential to one of the only things we have that can return real value.

[boozapalooza]

Joe Cowley should really have a better feel for what the Bulls do. They didn't resign Lonzo to trade him, they know what they look like if he's healthy, starting and making a difference for another team. They paid him $70M to do nothing and gave him away to be an excellent contributor somewhere else.

I like Vuc and 45 for a late 1st. No salaries coming back beyond this season.

Cavs looking to move Allen and or Garland. I could see Vuc there with Mobley being his defender. Vuc for Allen and POR pick?

I agree that if the CLE motivation is to cut future salary to stay below some threshold they have to look at Vucevic. He's not the garbage that some here want to claim. Vuc starts with Mobley at the 4 , if they have a backup PF that's worth playing he comes in as Mobley shifts to the 5 also with Vuc. Vuc expires so that backup PF becomes the starter with Mobley the 5 and they get some low priced reserves

Why is CLE interested, because over the next 4 years they save $80M. Why are they willing to trade Garland and/or Allen, FOR THE MONEY. Here's how they do it in one easy sensible trade.

Lonzo Ball has played 70 games in 4 seasons. He has played over 60 games once in his career. The Bulls need to trade him for something that can piece over the long term. Lonzo needs to play somewhere that considers him a luxury, not a necessity. If you can get a 1st round pick or starter for Lonzo, you have to trade him.

I got the sense that Lonzo signed the 2/20 deal cause its very tradable. We did him right by paying him a big contract and stuck by him through the injuries. Hes repaying us in a sense cause we can unload him fairly easily on this contract and get something in return. Or he can stay on the team and be a solid contributor. In many ways we did resign him so we can eventually trade him if need be.

[burlydee]

Joe Cowley should really have a better feel for what the Bulls do. They didn't resign Lonzo to trade him, they know what they look like if he's healthy, starting and making a difference for another team. They paid him $70M to do nothing and gave him away to be an excellent contributor somewhere else.



I agree that if the CLE motivation is to cut future salary to stay below some threshold they have to look at Vucevic. He's not the garbage that some here want to claim. Vuc starts with Mobley at the 4 , if they have a backup PF that's worth playing he comes in as Mobley shifts to the 5 also with Vuc. Vuc expires so that backup PF becomes the starter with Mobley the 5 and they get some low priced reserves

Why is CLE interested, because over the next 4 years they save $80M. Why are they willing to trade Garland and/or Allen, FOR THE MONEY. Here's how they do it in one easy sensible trade.

Lonzo Ball has played 70 games in 4 seasons. He has played over 60 games once in his career. The Bulls need to trade him for something that can piece over the long term. Lonzo needs to play somewhere that considers him a luxury, not a necessity. If you can get a 1st round pick or starter for Lonzo, you have to trade him.

What kind of first round pick? It better be pretty high.

Lonzo is one of the only good assets the Bulls have going for them. I’m not wasting that asset on a “starter” or a “first rounder” without knowing the details.

We have Lonzo more or less for free. His contract is nothing. If he is healthy and returns to form his trade value could be significant in a year. Maybe even as early as the deadline. That is an asset we need to be patient with, as it has the potential to one of the only things we have that can return real value.

He doesn't play basketball. You csn not count on him to stay healthy for a season, let alone to be a part of the team when its trying to compete. Im not sure he can reliably play over 25 minutes a game. If you can get a quality young asset for him, do it.