Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[jayjaysee]

I'd like to see what a trade of AD to Sacramento would be like. I think they're a team that would take a chance on him and that frontcourt. It would be elite. Ideally, they'd keep Lavine, who would fit in very well as an elite spacer. Ellis/Lavine/Murray/AD/Sabonis...
what's the ceiling for that team?

DDR/Carter/Monk + how many and what selections?...
The Mavs send DDR to Miami for Rozier+Jazquez ?

I'd much rather do Jay's Chicago proposal. Mia wouldn't touch that ddr deal, and Monk is THJ in a point guards body

I am very okay getting distant Sac firsts if they’re offering them.. but if there’s nothing after 2028, yeah I agree with you completely.

But I think Sac would be better off trading LaVine here not stacking midsized contracts.

End up with Monk/Demar/Murray/AD/Sabonis and actively shopping Demar+?? For a better fitting guard..

[jayjaysee]

If Chicago really wants to push for that 6th seed..

Collins, Huerter, 12th, 2026 Portland first, 2026 Chicago first, 2028 Chicago first for AD

Go further and add a Klay/Ayo swap..

Vuc/AD/Matas/Coby/Giddey

Maybe have to dump Carter if Giddey actually can pull 30 mil a year..

Yes yes yes a thousand times yes from Dallas

Yes, WAY too good for Dallas

Chi shouldn't bring AD home. Of course, if he's healthy we become very good but the most I would offer is
Vuc\PWill (have to lose his salary to make it work-maybe Dallas can revive his career)/JCarter/#12/Port pick/2027 unprotected Bulls' 1st
Dallas adds #12, 2 future picks and a ton of future $. PWill has been good in the past and could easily start with Flagg

Bulls go with
White/Ayo
Giddey/Ball
Matas/Huerter
AD/Phillips
Collins/JSmith

Think that’s a two first swing right? One less first and taking on Patrick Williams instead of an expiring..

And I think Chicago could want to keep PWill as the third forward playing 25+ (AD playing center minutes) .. should look good in a really low usage role next to either Matas or AD. Dallas should have no problem taking Patrick if Chicago needs to dump him..

Take the Portland first out of my offer and keep Patrick in for Huerter? But think Dallas deserves some upside variance if Chicago gets to dump their bad money.

[Godaddycurse]

bane to cleveland
garland/clarke + 1st to dallas
AD to Memphis

Who says no? dallas gets a young table setter to help flagg grow, cleveland improve backcout defense without sacrificing shooting, memphis make their front court elite

[Texas Chuck]

bane to cleveland
garland/clarke + 1st to dallas
AD to Memphis

Who says no? dallas gets a young table setter to help flagg grow, cleveland improve backcout defense without sacrificing shooting, memphis make their front court elite

My guess is that here Cavs fans say no. My guess is they don't believe Bane has enough creation to replace Garland and already worry Mitchell is asked to do too much. Probably think their guy is more valuable too because we all think our guy is more valuable?

Memphis probably also says no, because of the injury history and some of the overlap with JJJ, but what an absurd defensive duo and they would still have Edey as the big body center for half the game.

I don't know what first Dallas is getting here, guessing something from Memphis? I don't think Dallas IRL would do this because of Niko, but if its a pick with a reasonable chance at being good, it certainly sets them on a Flagg timeline. Would then not re-sign Kyrie and try and pick something up helping him get to a new home or just letting him leave.

Its interesting though.

[daoneandonly]

bane to cleveland
garland/clarke + 1st to dallas
AD to Memphis

Who says no? dallas gets a young table setter to help flagg grow, cleveland improve backcout defense without sacrificing shooting, memphis make their front court elite

My guess is that here Cavs fans say no. My guess is they don't believe Bane has enough creation to replace Garland and already worry Mitchell is asked to do too much. Probably think their guy is more valuable too because we all think our guy is more valuable?

Memphis probably also says no, because of the injury history and some of the overlap with JJJ, but what an absurd defensive duo and they would still have Edey as the big body center for half the game.

I don't know what first Dallas is getting here, guessing something from Memphis? I don't think Dallas IRL would do this because of Niko, but if its a pick with a reasonable chance at being good, it certainly sets them on a Flagg timeline. Would then not re-sign Kyrie and try and pick something up helping him get to a new home or just letting him leave.

Its interesting though.

Agreed. I'm intrigued by it. Garland and Ky won't work so we'd have to see what happens there, but I like a Flagg/Lively/Garland core with PJ as a 4th starter.

[jayjaysee]

If Toronto is interested in Giannis and KD.. Why not AD?

Assuming Giannis isn’t getting traded and KD wants to end up on a contender?

Feel like AD/Barnes/Ingram/Ochai/IQ closing lineups is worth paying the tax the first year if you believe in Barnes/IQ? But not really sure.

A lot better for Toronto to match with Ingram/RJ in place of Poeltl/RJ.. Both for tax benefits and keeping a strong center for AD.. But that needs a third team and deciding what value Ingram has..

[Godaddycurse]

If Toronto is interested in Giannis and KD.. Why not AD?

Assuming Giannis isn’t getting traded and KD wants to end up on a contender?

Feel like AD/Barnes/Ingram/Ochai/IQ closing lineups is worth paying the tax the first year if you believe in Barnes/IQ? But not really sure.

A lot better for Toronto to match with Ingram/RJ in place of Poeltl/RJ.. Both for tax benefits and keeping a strong center for AD.. But that needs a third team and deciding what value Ingram has..

Giannis = Barnes is outgoing so no need to worry with fit with Barnes
Durant = Barnes stays and durant as a first option fit well with barnes
AD = not worth sending barnes out for since AD cant be relied on to be a 1st option, and cant really play him and barnes together either..

Durant is also cheap enough where we dont mortgage our future, giannis is worth mortgaging our future for while AD would require futures but isnt worth it

Think AD needs to go to a team with a 1st option.. not Toronto.

[jayjaysee]

Trying the LaVine/AD trade again?

Lavine and Jonas to Charlotte
AD to Sac
Josh Green, Nurkic, Okogie, (Charlotte value? No idea but they owe something right?)…. But 2026 Sac, 2028 Sac, 2031 Minn from Sac to Dallas

Nike/Vegas get some assets, two with some real variance. Get under the first anpron and make it realistic to get under the tax. Don’t mess up the future salary situation in case you want to try and keep Kyrie and add a free agent next offseason after a one year tank (dumping Klay/Green shouldn’t cost a lot if you’re active/open to useless expirings).. Or just ride out the 2026-2027 season and maybe that’s the offseason worth building around Lively/Flagg/AJ.

Sac can trade Demar + (any/all of Carter, 2030 Sac, 2027 SAS first) for a better fitting guard to pair with Monk/Ellis and try and actually go on a run with Sabonis/AD/Murray. Or just use the MLE on a point guard if you like Demar’s fit.

Charlotte gives up “something” to upgrade their offense and add a better locker room backup center for Mark. Makes a lot more sense if Bailey is there at 4… But didn’t want to give up on the idea. Maybe you draft Tre/VJ and bring them in nicely as the third guard? Team has plenty of tax space this season, still can use 12-13 mil of MLE after doing this and signing the 4th pick..

[jayjaysee]

AD = not worth sending barnes out for since AD cant be relied on to be a 1st option, and cant really play him and barnes together either..

Disagree about playing the two together. But don’t disagree you don’t trade Barnes for AD. Just no reason to go that route.

[toooskies]

bane to cleveland
garland/clarke + 1st to dallas
AD to Memphis

Who says no? dallas gets a young table setter to help flagg grow, cleveland improve backcout defense without sacrificing shooting, memphis make their front court elite

My guess is that here Cavs fans say no. My guess is they don't believe Bane has enough creation to replace Garland and already worry Mitchell is asked to do too much. Probably think their guy is more valuable too because we all think our guy is more valuable?

Memphis probably also says no, because of the injury history and some of the overlap with JJJ, but what an absurd defensive duo and they would still have Edey as the big body center for half the game.

I don't know what first Dallas is getting here, guessing something from Memphis? I don't think Dallas IRL would do this because of Niko, but if its a pick with a reasonable chance at being good, it certainly sets them on a Flagg timeline. Would then not re-sign Kyrie and try and pick something up helping him get to a new home or just letting him leave.

It’s interesting though.

Honestly Cleveland might get cut out. Bane can handle some playmaking but is a better match when Kyrie recovers. Then sign a vet PG to a minimum.

From a pure Cleveland fan perspective, Bane might not have enough playmaking to feed Allen and so they need to figure out a deal for him as well. Allen for Herb Jones+?

[Scoot McGroot]

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So, beginning of the season is almost 5 months away….

[Godaddycurse]

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So, beginning of the season is almost 5 months away….

Big man and long term ankle/foot injuries are a scary combo

[MoreyWins]

The Grizzlies have to be patient with Edey and not rush him back no matter what the circumstance of how their season starts.

[djFan71]

Jrue to Dallas version 1,532"

Klay/28 to Atlanta for fake 2nd
PJ Washington/Powell(probably Boston uses cash/2nd to move him too) to Boston
Jrue/32 to Dallas

Hawks get a bench shooter who fits in under the tax and picks up a late 1st for taking on the money for Boston.
Celtics save a ton of money and get a stopgap forward whose contract expires so they can let him go if they can't afford him.
Dallas gets a player they are rumored to want and pick up a good 2nd.

Feels like Dallas is owed more value here, but accounting for my fandom skewing things maybe not?

Spin 17 on version 1,532:

BOS: Jrue for Niang, Brandon Williams
DAL: Jrue for Gafford, Klay, Williams
ATL: Gafford, Klay

Atlanta gets Gafford for eating Klay. Which since Klay is useful isn't that big a salary dump, imo. Some, but not excessive. They could conceivably send a 2nd to DAL/

Not sure if that's better/worse for DAL, tbh. But they keep PJ in this scenario.
I like a version where Niang goes to DAL and Naji Marshall comes to BOS better from BOS end. Could add 32 back for that.
Swap out Williams with OMP if you want.

[SkyHook]

bane to cleveland
garland/clarke + 1st to dallas
AD to Memphis

Who says no? dallas gets a young table setter to help flagg grow, cleveland improve backcout defense without sacrificing shooting, memphis make their front court elite

I like this for the Cavs more than for the other two. Cleveland gets the backcourt that haunted me for years after Dennis Lindsey inexplicably chose Azubiuke for Utah over Bane.

[eminence]

Is there a 3+ teamer to get Garland to Minnesota?

[jayjaysee]

Would Sac trade a lightly protected 2026 first for PJ and 28? Or not even that lightly, say top 10 3x?

Yes Jrue to Dallas version 1533?

[SkyHook]

[url]Would Sac trade a lightly protected 2026 first for PJ and 28?[/url] Or not even that lightly, say top 10 3x?

Yes Jrue to Dallas version 1533?

You'll have to duel BabyJax for it. He's been trying to come up with a deal for the 2026 SAC FRP for a while. And I do think that Utah can and should top that offer.

[jayjaysee]

[url]Would Sac trade a lightly protected 2026 first for PJ and 28?[/url] Or not even that lightly, say top 10 3x?

Yes Jrue to Dallas version 1533?

You'll have to duel BabyJax for it. He's been trying to come up with a deal for the 2026 SAC FRP for a while. And I do think that Utah can and should top that offer.

Utah’s PF involves trading Sac’s players though. PJ fits into their TPE. A bit easier a trade for them if they don’t want to move on from Demar or LaVine.. though they really should*

[Godaddycurse]

Would Sac trade a lightly protected 2026 first for PJ and 28? Or not even that lightly, say top 10 3x?

Yes Jrue to Dallas version 1533?

I made a thread on that and sac fans said no (well hauser instead of 28)

Sac needs to send out salary to avoid the tax if they acquire PJ