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Post#501 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:46 pm

Some rumbles that the Nets are trying to move up for Fears. I assume that means they'd need to get to 5 (Utah) or 6 (Washington).
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Post#503 » by Astaluego » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:59 pm

What market could D. Hunter have? They just traded for him and he's had a good season, but for an expensive team like the Cavs... 23 and 24 million for a 6-man, it might be excessive.
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Post#504 » by SkyHook » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:26 pm

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jayjaysee wrote:[url]Would Sac trade a lightly protected 2026 first for PJ and 28?[/url] Or not even that lightly, say top 10 3x?

Yes Jrue to Dallas version 1533?


You'll have to duel BabyJax for it. :wink: He's been trying to come up with a deal for the 2026 SAC FRP for a while. And I do think that Utah can and should top that offer.


Utah’s PF involves trading Sac’s players though. PJ fits into their TPE. A bit easier a trade for them if they don’t want to move on from Demar or LaVine.. though they really should*


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Post#505 » by K_chile22 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 12:01 am

TheNetsFan wrote:Some rumbles that the Nets are trying to move up for Fears. I assume that means they'd need to get to 5 (Utah) or 6 (Washington).
I think they probably mean move up from 19, I can't imagine fears goes before 8, was thinking this goes along with the rumors of them trying to turn 19/Cam Johnson into 9 or 10
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Post#506 » by TheNetsFan » Sun Jun 8, 2025 12:51 am

K_chile22 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Some rumbles that the Nets are trying to move up for Fears. I assume that means they'd need to get to 5 (Utah) or 6 (Washington).
I think they probably mean move up from 19, I can't imagine fears goes before 8, was thinking this goes along with the rumors of them trying to turn 19/Cam Johnson into 9 or 10

I don't think Fears gets past NOLA at #7. I wouldn't be surprised if Utah takes him at #5, but NOLA is most likely.
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Post#507 » by Devilanche » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:49 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Some rumbles that the Nets are trying to move up for Fears. I assume that means they'd need to get to 5 (Utah) or 6 (Washington).
I think they probably mean move up from 19, I can't imagine fears goes before 8, was thinking this goes along with the rumors of them trying to turn 19/Cam Johnson into 9 or 10

I don't think Fears gets past NOLA at #7. I wouldn't be surprised if Utah takes him at #5, but NOLA is most likely.

I could see either of them drafting him if they aren’t impressed by others mocked in that range.
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Post#508 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:51 am

K_chile22 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Some rumbles that the Nets are trying to move up for Fears. I assume that means they'd need to get to 5 (Utah) or 6 (Washington).
I think they probably mean move up from 19, I can't imagine fears goes before 8, was thinking this goes along with the rumors of them trying to turn 19/Cam Johnson into 9 or 10


Matt Moore said Fears is a top 6 lock but he's very hit or miss.
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Post#509 » by zimpy27 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:50 am

Durant+O'Neale
For
MPJ+Gordon+Braun
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Post#510 » by K_chile22 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:57 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Some rumbles that the Nets are trying to move up for Fears. I assume that means they'd need to get to 5 (Utah) or 6 (Washington).
I think they probably mean move up from 19, I can't imagine fears goes before 8, was thinking this goes along with the rumors of them trying to turn 19/Cam Johnson into 9 or 10


Matt Moore said Fears is a top 6 lock but he's very hit or miss.
Matt Moore is a joke but I may be projecting my personal dislike for fears onto real teams a bit in general
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Post#511 » by NYG » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:59 am

Does KD for Sabonis make sense?
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Post#512 » by the_process » Sun Jun 8, 2025 4:08 am

Seems like BKN needs to move up to 3!
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Post#513 » by Mavrelous » Sun Jun 8, 2025 4:33 am

zimpy27 wrote:Durant+O'Neale
For
MPJ+Gordon+Braun

0 chance DEN consider this, even w/o Braun
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Post#514 » by Devilanche » Sun Jun 8, 2025 6:18 am

zimpy27 wrote:Durant+O'Neale
For
MPJ+Gordon+Braun

I have Gordon as the best performer in the playoff out of that group for the next few years . Purely cause of his playoff this year.

Wouldn’t move him if I were Denver.
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Post#515 » by zimpy27 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 6:22 am

Mavrelous wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Durant+O'Neale
For
MPJ+Gordon+Braun

0 chance DEN consider this, even w/o Braun



That's surprising. Do you think SF-PF duo of MPJ-AG is better than ONeale-Durant?

Could it be reworked around MPJ+Braun+FRP?
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Post#516 » by Mavrelous » Sun Jun 8, 2025 6:24 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Durant+O'Neale
For
MPJ+Gordon+Braun

0 chance DEN consider this, even w/o Braun



That's surprising. Do you think SF-PF duo of MPJ-AG is better than ONeale-Durant?

Yeah...
AG is the key to their defense in the PO, MPJ helps on the boards.

I would have proposed Murray/MPJ/Nnaji/Saric for Beal/KD, but DEN would have hard time filling the roster under the 2nd Apron.
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Post#517 » by oldncreaky » Sun Jun 8, 2025 3:54 pm

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jayjaysee wrote:If Toronto is interested in Giannis and KD.. Why not AD?

Assuming Giannis isn’t getting traded and KD wants to end up on a contender?

Feel like AD/Barnes/Ingram/Ochai/IQ closing lineups is worth paying the tax the first year if you believe in Barnes/IQ? But not really sure.

A lot better for Toronto to match with Ingram/RJ in place of Poeltl/RJ.. Both for tax benefits and keeping a strong center for AD.. But that needs a third team and deciding what value Ingram has..


Giannis = Barnes is outgoing so no need to worry with fit with Barnes
Durant = Barnes stays and durant as a first option fit well with barnes
AD = not worth sending barnes out for since AD cant be relied on to be a 1st option, and cant really play him and barnes together either..

Durant is also cheap enough where we dont mortgage our future, giannis is worth mortgaging our future for while AD would require futures but isnt worth it

Think AD needs to go to a team with a 1st option.. not Toronto.


Mostly agree; however, I don't think TOR is well positioned to reach for a star/name, and think getting KD would be short-sighted too. I hope all hyped TOR trades for stars are just the usual PR and media stuff

As for Ingram's value: as an expiring, he was just traded for:
- players: Davion Mitchell (neutral?), Olynyk (neutral, maybe SRP), Brown (negative @23M) ==> neutral
- Indy 2026 FRP and a distant SRP
and then he was extended.

I'm not sure if Ingram on an expiring contract is worth more or less than Ingram on 3/$120M when he hasn't been seen on the court, so I'd peg his current value at his last traded value i.e. a single non-lotto FRP and maybe an SRP or two. TOR has a chance to recoup some value and flip him, but I think he's got to play (and play well) before that happens.
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Post#518 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Jun 8, 2025 3:59 pm

I think that's a reasonable way to try and peg his value, but I remind people that the team who sign a non-max free agent or trade for a player were the high bidder. And we don't know how close the 2nd bidder was, if there even was a 2nd bidder and if that 2nd bidder would bid as high with him locked up to this contract.

So I'd always say to be safe we reduce the value from what he was last traded at unless some evidence has shown to increase his value. Him not playing means that didn't happen here.

In fact to be safe, I would never assign him greater than neutral value in a trade right now. And in a trade for KD, I'd assume he'd just go to Phoenix. Not sure what 3rd team is coming in to give useful players to the Suns and add asset value to the trade.
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Post#519 » by jayjaysee » Sun Jun 8, 2025 5:55 pm

I know it’s not the straight line of AD to Houston but.. does Phoenix have the value to add in a KD to Houston (or SAS), AD to Phoenix, Jalen+assets to Dallas? Assuming Houston pays 10th+Jalen for AD..

Can Phoenix trade their 2032 swap? If not it’s just 29th and either of the two awful 2028 or 2029 firsts..

Their 2028 first is swapped 3-4 ways already, but Dallas getting the option to swap (considering Dallas owes a swap to OKC) should add some decent value..

So Phoenix can add..

29th, 2028 swap rights, 2029 Minn/Cleve/Utah, 2032 swap..

Quarters but add up to anything?

For Phoenix, if they trust in Booker being the first option star.. AD buys them 3-4 years.. Especially if they do find Beal a home..
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Post#520 » by Mavrelous » Sun Jun 8, 2025 6:04 pm

Kyrie to LAL, Reaves/Hachimura/picks to Cavs, Garland to DAL worth exploring?
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