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Post#181 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:04 am

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no offense but this is sort of a thing that people repeat that isn't really true. unless you think an awful lot of the coaches in the last couple of years don't coach modern basketball. because a lot of them are awfully similar to thibs and rely on a lot of the same principles.

there are legit complaints about thibs involving minutes played, his ability to forge relationships with players, giving players too much freedom on offense, etc. but this whole can't coach "modern basketball" thing is sort of a cliche that people just say. you're really saying you want more passing or more motion off ball or want to play at a faster pace. but you need the personnel for those kind of things. we couldn't play like the pacers with our roster and put their roster in the half court and they're not too good.

i don't know what your age is but the knicks had this idea once before. they hired don nelson and they were gonna stop running the offense through ewing and make anthony mason play point forward and change how they play. it didn't last long before they realized what a mistake it was. i say all that to say this, it might just be the case that jalen brunson can only really be jalen brunson if you let him dominate the ball.


Also another thing is, what does it say about all those other modern day coaches who lost to the Knicks? Let’s not pretend like we haven’t been winning 50+ games, getting 3rd seed and making it to the ECF while eliminating the defending champs who oh by the way play as modern of an offense as there is with the high volume of chuck and duck 3s they attempt.

Our offense brought balance but it’s not outdated. It’s become a copy cat league where everybody is now using analytics to play the same exact way but at the end of the day what wins is consistency. If your players bring consistency you will find success. Boston and Cleveland both shot themselves out of the series and then we did the same. We didn’t bring the same consistency offensively as Indiana and it had nothing to do with style but more to do with us not shooting well. Both KAT and Brunson shot terrible in game 6. Had nothing to do with offensive style or system when they both had success all year long. We have seen everybody have success in the system but what they failed to bring was consistency at least enough of it to overcome Indiana.


not to mention og couldn't really shoot the 3 all series

Game 6 we were trash. KAT really was a let down.
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Post#182 » by Capn'O » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:11 am

Mikal will become even more polarizing next season. Awesome. We'll make a thread for that.

Also, oddly, we haven't brought up one of the best assistant to HC moves. Our own JVG.
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Post#183 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:34 am

Has anyone mentioned Chris Quinn, Spoelstra's right hand man, for the job?

He was being considered by Phoenix earlier.

Seems like the kind of alternative move along the lines of Johnny Bryant that would make sense.

He sounds like a solid choice.
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Post#184 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:35 am

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But what was made very clear by this season and playoff run is that we need to play basketball like we're in 2025 and not 2005, and I support any hire that brings us into the present day NBA.


no offense but this is sort of a thing that people repeat that isn't really true. unless you think an awful lot of the coaches in the last couple of years don't coach modern basketball. because a lot of them are awfully similar to thibs and rely on a lot of the same principles.

there are legit complaints about thibs involving minutes played, his ability to forge relationships with players, giving players too much freedom on offense, etc. but this whole can't coach "modern basketball" thing is sort of a cliche that people just say. you're really saying you want more passing or more motion off ball or want to play at a faster pace. but you need the personnel for those kind of things. we couldn't play like the pacers with our roster and put their roster in the half court and they're not too good.

i don't know what your age is but the knicks had this idea once before. they hired don nelson and they were gonna stop running the offense through ewing and make anthony mason play point forward and change how they play. it didn't last long before they realized what a mistake it was. i say all that to say this, it might just be the case that jalen brunson can only really be jalen brunson if you let him dominate the ball.



No offense taken but I completely disagree with you. The offense Tom had us running was absolute garbage, those super short rotations in the regular season were nonsensical, and frankly it was ugly basketball. It (his style of offense) worked the last two seasons with Brunson and Randle, but adding KAT, OG, and Mikal in the mix meant that things needed to change and they didn't.

Hence why we are here now trying to find a new coach. The way you and other folks kept acting like this stuff was great baffled me and I couldn't tell if you all were serious or you were just trying to gaslight and troll, because most people saw these issues from Game 1 when we got blown off the floor by Boston, but I digress.

Jeff Teague literally called this out before Leon made his move.



This didn't happen in a vacuum. Anyone looking at this team objectively saw that there were serious problems and Tom's stubbornness had a lot to do with it.

Anyway, this thread is to focus on the new hire, not litigate the past so I'll leave it here because there is a separate thread to discuss Tom's performance and I don't wanna be one of the people who add to the constant derailment of threads that happens on here.
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Post#185 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:40 am

FrozenEnvelope wrote:So Leon has been shut down by Houston and Dallas for Udoka and Kidd. I guess he will ask Minnesota for permission to speak with Fitch next and then pivot to Bryant, Brown, Walton and Nori.


I think Leon only did this so that he can prime the pump for Bryant to be hired.
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Post#186 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:45 am

mpharris36 wrote:we were a cam payne prayer 4th qtr of game 1 against the pistons that could have ended this season very differently. And yes that didn't happen but the point is the lineup that Thibs forced down our throughts for like the most minutes in history and playoffs was no clicking. He basically refused to make an adjustment from like late Dec/Jan on when teams adjusted to us.

Whoever the new coach is needs to be adaptable working with the FO. The Thibs relationship seemed to be you get the players that I like and I will coach....they want more collaboration and relationships with the FO/Coach/Players.


In order to win a championship there needs to be cohesion from Leon, Aller, Wes, the next coach, Brunson on downward.

This has to be a team effort. Egos need to be checked at the door come October. Everyone needs to be communicating with each other and listening.
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Post#187 » by Context » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:01 am

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Post#188 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:12 am

i'd put general thibs displeasure [...] in the thibs thread. want to focus on the search and candidates here.
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Post#189 » by Gravy » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:34 am

This weird coaching search feels like it was an abrupt emotional firing and there is no plan. All we have is the completely invented smokescreen conspiracy that they already hired Bryant. Have they interviewed anybody at all?
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Post#190 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:41 am

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Also another thing is, what does it say about all those other modern day coaches who lost to the Knicks? Let’s not pretend like we haven’t been winning 50+ games, getting 3rd seed and making it to the ECF while eliminating the defending champs who oh by the way play as modern of an offense as there is with the high volume of chuck and duck 3s they attempt.

Our offense brought balance but it’s not outdated. It’s become a copy cat league where everybody is now using analytics to play the same exact way but at the end of the day what wins is consistency. If your players bring consistency you will find success. Boston and Cleveland both shot themselves out of the series and then we did the same. We didn’t bring the same consistency offensively as Indiana and it had nothing to do with style but more to do with us not shooting well. Both KAT and Brunson shot terrible in game 6. Had nothing to do with offensive style or system when they both had success all year long. We have seen everybody have success in the system but what they failed to bring was consistency at least enough of it to overcome Indiana.


If KP was healthy the Celts sweep the Knicks.


Which would make it a talent issue not a coaching issue


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Post#192 » by Context » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:45 am

Gravy wrote:This weird coaching search feels like it was an abrupt emotional firing and there is no plan. All we have is the completely invented smokescreen conspiracy that they already hired Bryant. Have they interviewed anybody at all?

Leon has been in business a long time. He doesn’t make emotional decisions. I can assure you of that. You can’t be that successful and not have control of your emotions in business.

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Post#193 » by sol537 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:45 am

How about we all calm down and have some patience. Let Leon cook. Thibs ran his course. It’s time for a new voice.
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Post#194 » by Context » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:47 am

sol537 wrote:How about we all calm down and have some patience. Let Leon cook. Thibs ran his course. It’s time for a new voice.

This is the reality for us. We need to relax.
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Post#195 » by G_K_F » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:47 am

Gravy wrote:This weird coaching search feels like it was an abrupt emotional firing and there is no plan. All we have is the completely invented smokescreen conspiracy that they already hired Bryant. Have they interviewed anybody at all?

I’ve seen this written before and I think people need to chill out. When did we fire Thibs? 5 days ago?

Teams don’t just start interviewing everyone and pick a candidate within 5 days.

I think the search is going to be extensive - and most teams do extensive searches. In fact, if they just went ahead and hired someone without interviewing anyone I would be more concerned. I want to see them cast a wide net. This is a very important position at one of the most important times in the franchises’ history. No need to rush it. Take your time and make the right move.
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Post#196 » by BKlutch » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:48 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
HEZI wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
no offense but this is sort of a thing that people repeat that isn't really true. unless you think an awful lot of the coaches in the last couple of years don't coach modern basketball. because a lot of them are awfully similar to thibs and rely on a lot of the same principles.

there are legit complaints about thibs involving minutes played, his ability to forge relationships with players, giving players too much freedom on offense, etc. but this whole can't coach "modern basketball" thing is sort of a cliche that people just say. you're really saying you want more passing or more motion off ball or want to play at a faster pace. but you need the personnel for those kind of things. we couldn't play like the pacers with our roster and put their roster in the half court and they're not too good.

i don't know what your age is but the knicks had this idea once before. they hired don nelson and they were gonna stop running the offense through ewing and make anthony mason play point forward and change how they play. it didn't last long before they realized what a mistake it was. i say all that to say this, it might just be the case that jalen brunson can only really be jalen brunson if you let him dominate the ball.


Also another thing is, what does it say about all those other modern day coaches who lost to the Knicks? Let’s not pretend like we haven’t been winning 50+ games, getting 3rd seed and making it to the ECF while eliminating the defending champs who oh by the way play as modern of an offense as there is with the high volume of chuck and duck 3s they attempt.

Our offense brought balance but it’s not outdated. It’s become a copy cat league where everybody is now using analytics to play the same exact way but at the end of the day what wins is consistency. If your players bring consistency you will find success. Boston and Cleveland both shot themselves out of the series and then we did the same. We didn’t bring the same consistency offensively as Indiana and it had nothing to do with style but more to do with us not shooting well. Both KAT and Brunson shot terrible in game 6. Had nothing to do with offensive style or system when they both had success all year long. We have seen everybody have success in the system but what they failed to bring was consistency at least enough of it to overcome Indiana.


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Post#197 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:52 am

We need someone that absolutely can develop guys who are on the bench, that is how we improve, one of those young guys has to pop in a real way.
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Post#199 » by BKlutch » Sun Jun 8, 2025 3:03 am

Context wrote:
Gravy wrote:This weird coaching search feels like it was an abrupt emotional firing and there is no plan. All we have is the completely invented smokescreen conspiracy that they already hired Bryant. Have they interviewed anybody at all?

Leon has been in business a long time. He doesn’t make emotional decisions. I can assure you of that. You can’t be that successful and not have control of your emotions in business.

What we’re experiencing is a result of a planned process.

The KAT trade is a great example of this. Nobody here knew until it was announced. These leaks must be intentional
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Post#200 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 8, 2025 3:15 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:We need someone that absolutely can develop guys who are on the bench, that is how we improve, one of those young guys has to pop in a real way.


We're top heavy.

That isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if we are locked in to Brunson, KAT, OG, Mikal

That's not bad. However

There has to be a serious focus on developing the younger players. Getting production out of players on cheap contracts is critical. This team needs 9 players who the next coach can work with
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