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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#701 » by LFGK » Sat Jun 7, 2025 8:26 pm

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Honestly best coarse of action is strengthening the bench, I would love to get divo back, B Brown is another guy, develop Kolek and Huk and you got yourself something and for the love of god man just drill the defensive rotations into their heads. Countless times toppin a tub set a screeem for Haliburton wright gets through it hart is supposed to rotate about 3 feet further then where he is to pick up obi at the top of the key, with KAT rotating down but of course hart is late and a wide open 3 for toppin, D isn't that difficult even w towns out there(best D in the league in MIN with him) it's effort and knowing rotations. This team with 2 bench guys and coaching will wil 62+ games next year and come out of the east

speaking of team design... How does this effect us:


$154.6 million
March 26 - The NBA will increase the salary cap by 10 percent for the 2025-26 season, ESPN reported. The increase -- the maximum allowed under the collective bargaining agreement -- is reportedly projected to bring the cap number from $140.6 million to $154.6 million


Brock has calculated/known this number for a while now, this is just confirmation for the public. So they've already been planning based on this number as what they had to work with


Are we able to add Divo
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#702 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 7, 2025 8:30 pm

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Context wrote:speaking of team design... How does this effect us:



Brock has calculated/known this number for a while now, this is just confirmation for the public. So they've already been planning based on this number as what they had to work with


Are we able to add Divo


You would need to find 12m in salary. And that's even if Minnesota wants to trade him back here.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#703 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Sat Jun 7, 2025 8:37 pm

The Nova Knicks won’t get their old coach behind the bench in New York.

Jay Wright is not a candidate to fill the Knicks’ head coaching vacancy, The Post’s Stefan Bondy reported Saturday.

President Leon Rose understands that Wright, who last coached in 2022 at Villanova, is happy in retirement.

That leaves one name off the list for the Knicks as they seek to replace Tom Thibodeau after his firing earlier this week.


https://nypost.com/2025/06/07/sports/knicks-get-jay-wright-clarity-in-their-head-coach-search/
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#704 » by Synciere » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:19 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:Potentially teaming up Giannis, Brunson, and Towns, who are 28-30 year old All NBA guys, with Giannis being an MVP and champ, is obviously just like the ol’ Knicks.

No way we can get some solid role players to fill out the squad. This is the same as Marbury, ZBo, and Eddy Curry or Melo, KP, and DRose.


Giannis is a perennial MVP candidate in his prime. None of the guys you listed fit that description.

I’d make the trade if we’re giving up Towns except we all know Towns is Rose’s guy. In a perfect world it would be OG leaving with a player we don’t need that makes double what they’re worth like Courtney Lee. The old Knicks would’ve been saddled with bad contracts and would’ve needed to use first round picks to get out from under a Jeffries out Jerome James or Noah deal. There’s no world where you make a Giannis deal and don’t get better.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#705 » by Synciere » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:26 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:So, Bryant has 11 years as an assistant coach/associate coach, plus a few more years as a coach/development coordinator with the Jazz at the start of his career.

And of that 11 years, 5 as an associate coach. (One year with Cleveland, four with the Knicks)
This is the position that mostly leads to a head coaching spot.

He's been an associate under Thibs and Atkinson, and an assistant under Quinn.


He's young, but has at least 13 years of pro experience

I'd say he's as ready as anyone in the league.


For good or bad, if the Knicks are looking for a head coach who is more flexible/pliable wouldn't it be the newer guy?


We’re just now hearing some of the things that went wrong this year and gripes players have had. I hadn’t heard known Leon and Thibs weren’t on speaking terms for a year. That said, I never thought the idea of Bryant leaving for the Cavs because he was close to Donovan Mitchell was enough of a good reason. Head coach? Sure. But not a lateral move to a worse city and (At that time) equal at best team. Why did he leave us in the first place? Maybe it was a beef with Thibs, in which case that hurdle has been removed. But if it was an issue with someone in the organization or god forbid, Rick Brunson or someone, then I’m not sure he even interviews. It’s been days and no word of a request….

I think we need to let the Johnnie Bryant Dream go for now.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#706 » by Synciere » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:30 pm

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Gravy wrote:Why would they need secrecy to hire Bryant.. the Suns already hired a Cavs assistant with no problems.

The Knicks need to create a distraction by pretending to want Jason Kidd?

Yeah that's a massive reach.

I think its about the optics. They want to make it seem like they did a complete search because the majority of Knick fans would view a Bryant signing without a complete search as a negative.


Given Thibs success, I’d be more worried they fired him not knowing who they were going to hire rather than having an extensive search. That should’ve already been done.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#707 » by Jay10 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:47 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:So, Bryant has 11 years as an assistant coach/associate coach, plus a few more years as a coach/development coordinator with the Jazz at the start of his career.

And of that 11 years, 5 as an associate coach. (One year with Cleveland, four with the Knicks)
This is the position that mostly leads to a head coaching spot.

He's been an associate under Thibs and Atkinson, and an assistant under Quinn.


He's young, but has at least 13 years of pro experience

I'd say he's as ready as anyone in the league.


For good or bad, if the Knicks are looking for a head coach who is more flexible/pliable wouldn't it be the newer guy?


We’re just now hearing some of the things that went wrong this year and gripes players have had. I hadn’t heard known Leon and Thibs weren’t on speaking terms for a year. That said, I never thought the idea of Bryant leaving for the Cavs because he was close to Donovan Mitchell was enough of a good reason. Head coach? Sure. But not a lateral move to a worse city and (At that time) equal at best team. Why did he leave us in the first place? Maybe it was a beef with Thibs, in which case that hurdle has been removed. But if it was an issue with someone in the organization or god forbid, Rick Brunson or someone, then I’m not sure he even interviews. It’s been days and no word of a request….

I think we need to let the Johnnie Bryant Dream go for now.


Permission is only needed for lateral moves.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#708 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:54 pm

Synciere wrote:
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G_K_F wrote:Yeah that's a massive reach.

I think its about the optics. They want to make it seem like they did a complete search because the majority of Knick fans would view a Bryant signing without a complete search as a negative.


Given Thibs success, I’d be more worried they fired him not knowing who they were going to hire rather than having an extensive search. That should’ve already been done.


i don't know how real life realistic that is. it's easy for us as fans to do on a message board. i can't see how they could really have had interviews and meaningful conversations about the work until the firing happened though.

even if they have an idea of who they want, i imagine the evaluation and introductions process still would take time like it does at any other company.

if the decision to fire thibs was only made sunday based on information gathered during exit interviews, not sure what could have been done by now.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#709 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:59 pm

Synciere wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:So, Bryant has 11 years as an assistant coach/associate coach, plus a few more years as a coach/development coordinator with the Jazz at the start of his career.

And of that 11 years, 5 as an associate coach. (One year with Cleveland, four with the Knicks)
This is the position that mostly leads to a head coaching spot.

He's been an associate under Thibs and Atkinson, and an assistant under Quinn.


He's young, but has at least 13 years of pro experience

I'd say he's as ready as anyone in the league.


For good or bad, if the Knicks are looking for a head coach who is more flexible/pliable wouldn't it be the newer guy?


We’re just now hearing some of the things that went wrong this year and gripes players have had. I hadn’t heard known Leon and Thibs weren’t on speaking terms for a year. That said, I never thought the idea of Bryant leaving for the Cavs because he was close to Donovan Mitchell was enough of a good reason. Head coach? Sure. But not a lateral move to a worse city and (At that time) equal at best team. Why did he leave us in the first place? Maybe it was a beef with Thibs, in which case that hurdle has been removed. But if it was an issue with someone in the organization or god forbid, Rick Brunson or someone, then I’m not sure he even interviews. It’s been days and no word of a request….

I think we need to let the Johnnie Bryant Dream go for now.


+1 for the bold.

no way to be sure about the rest. he could have wanted to be back with Mitchell. he could have seen a better opportunity in Cleveland. could be exactly what you say here. not enough information for me to think he's not a candidate.

more to my previous post. i know we're all excited, but it's been literally days. and folks taking big leaps off of media, which may not reflect the real state of things. patience might serve us all well here.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#710 » by Synciere » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:08 pm

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Context wrote:I think its about the optics. They want to make it seem like they did a complete search because the majority of Knick fans would view a Bryant signing without a complete search as a negative.


Given Thibs success, I’d be more worried they fired him not knowing who they were going to hire rather than having an extensive search. That should’ve already been done.


i don't know how real life realistic that is. it's easy for us as fans to do on a message board. i can't see how they could really have had interviews and meaningful conversations about the work until the firing happened though.

even if they have an idea of who they want, i imagine the evaluation and introductions process still would take time like it does at any other company.

if the decision to fire thibs was only made sunday based on information gathered during exit interviews, not sure what could have been done by now.


Teams almost always have ‘in case he/she gets hit by a bus’ files for every important job post in the organization, especially forward facing positions such as head coach. The issues behind the scenes have been brewing for at least a year. This wasn’t a surprise to half of this board, never mind WWW or Rose. If they didn’t have a plan in place for a replacement that’s madness to me.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#711 » by Synciere » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:10 pm

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Synciere wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:So, Bryant has 11 years as an assistant coach/associate coach, plus a few more years as a coach/development coordinator with the Jazz at the start of his career.

And of that 11 years, 5 as an associate coach. (One year with Cleveland, four with the Knicks)
This is the position that mostly leads to a head coaching spot.

He's been an associate under Thibs and Atkinson, and an assistant under Quinn.


He's young, but has at least 13 years of pro experience

I'd say he's as ready as anyone in the league.


For good or bad, if the Knicks are looking for a head coach who is more flexible/pliable wouldn't it be the newer guy?


We’re just now hearing some of the things that went wrong this year and gripes players have had. I hadn’t heard known Leon and Thibs weren’t on speaking terms for a year. That said, I never thought the idea of Bryant leaving for the Cavs because he was close to Donovan Mitchell was enough of a good reason. Head coach? Sure. But not a lateral move to a worse city and (At that time) equal at best team. Why did he leave us in the first place? Maybe it was a beef with Thibs, in which case that hurdle has been removed. But if it was an issue with someone in the organization or god forbid, Rick Brunson or someone, then I’m not sure he even interviews. It’s been days and no word of a request….

I think we need to let the Johnnie Bryant Dream go for now.


Permission is only needed for lateral moves.


So we wouldn’t even need Cleveland’s permission so why haven’t we interviewed him yet if he was high on our list? He’s a known entity in our organization already.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#712 » by 8516knicks » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:10 pm

:o "I hadn’t heard known Leon and Thibs weren’t on speaking terms for a year." I missed this. what is the source? I don't see how it could even be realistic. :o :jawdrop:
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Post#713 » by Jay10 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:16 pm

Synciere wrote:
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Synciere wrote:
We’re just now hearing some of the things that went wrong this year and gripes players have had. I hadn’t heard known Leon and Thibs weren’t on speaking terms for a year. That said, I never thought the idea of Bryant leaving for the Cavs because he was close to Donovan Mitchell was enough of a good reason. Head coach? Sure. But not a lateral move to a worse city and (At that time) equal at best team. Why did he leave us in the first place? Maybe it was a beef with Thibs, in which case that hurdle has been removed. But if it was an issue with someone in the organization or god forbid, Rick Brunson or someone, then I’m not sure he even interviews. It’s been days and no word of a request….

I think we need to let the Johnnie Bryant Dream go for now.


Permission is only needed for lateral moves.


So we wouldn’t even need Cleveland’s permission so why haven’t we interviewed him yet if he was high on our list? He’s a known entity in our organization already.


They know him already to the point they gave him the second-in-command position in case they replaced Thibodeau while he was here.
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“Dolan, whom sources said was never a huge Thibodeau fan through the years, asked the questions in the meeting while Rose took a secondary role.

A couple of players felt like Thibodeau played the starters too many minutes and felt he had an inability to adjust, sources said, and another player said he didn’t feel like he could play for Thibodeau if the coach returned next season.

Some have suggested the coaching search will go into Summer League in July, because it seems the Knicks don’t have an outlined plan for the future.

Either way, things are intriguing, if not wholly uncertain, in Manhattan.

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Post#716 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:13 am

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It's obviously Bridges :lol:


The fact he came out and complained about the minutes earlier and he's up for an extension, he's the only guy who could be a free agent that could force their hand.
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Post#717 » by FrozenEnvelope » Sun Jun 8, 2025 1:16 am

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It was actually MarJon Beauchamp.
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