Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season

[dumbell78]

Knicks wanting Kidd now, the runner up (to Thibs) in their 2020 interview process. What a New York state of mind lol.

Lol Kidd is going to pass on leading the team with Cooper Flagg & Anthony Davis?
NYK is going to be a meat grinder, if he doesn't get to the Finals next year he'll be eviscerated by the media like Thibs.

Kidd only leaves Dallas if Giannis to NY is happening behind the scenes. In which case, the Giannis/Brunson duo would make NY the favorite in the East next year. Might be too good for JKidd to pass up.

Kidd also coached Giannis his first 5 years in Milwaukee so the connection is there

Could be interesting as NY can put together a great offer with a combination of KAT/OG/Mikal/Hart plus picks

I dont think Knicks have any more draft picks, pretty much gave up everything through year 2031 for Bridges. So, Milwaukee would need to be happy for some of the above combo you mentioned to trade Giannis. That combo is not hard to beat by other teams for a top 5 guy in the league.

[Ice Man]

I dont think Knicks have any more draft picks, pretty much gave up everything through year 2031 for Bridges. So, Milwaukee would need to be happy for some of the above combo you mentioned to trade Giannis. That combo is not hard to beat by other teams for a top 5 guy in the league.

Besides Giannis, Milwaukee's three best players this year were 34 year old Dame, 36 year old Brook, and Bobby Portis. Meaning, the Bucks are garbage without Giannis ... so it wouldn't make sense for them to trade him for established players. If OG/KAT/Bridges etc. can't win the East with the help of Jalen Brunson, they certainly won't when on the Bucks.

Meaning I don't see the Bucks trading Giannis for anything but a young stud + picks, and the Knicks have neither.

[Lexluthor]

Why does the media always brings up the nba low final ratings . The nhl is averaging under 3 million viewers . Why do they get a pass for poor ratings ? Pretty soon the wnba will pass the nhl in ratings . How come no ever talks about their poor ratings

[DASMACKDOWN]

Why does the media always brings up the nba low final ratings . The nhl is averaging under 3 million viewers . Why do they get a pass for poor ratings ? Pretty soon the wnba will pass the nhl in ratings . How come no ever talks about their poor ratings

Its all about the money.

Naturally if an event is low ratings, its not good for business. Not good for advertisers either.

The NHL wont be in the same boat. They didn't just get a 77 Billion dollar deal.

So things like ratings are going to be a big deal now and in the future.

[LateNight]

Why does the media always brings up the nba low final ratings . The nhl is averaging under 3 million viewers . Why do they get a pass for poor ratings ? Pretty soon the wnba will pass the nhl in ratings . How come no ever talks about their poor ratings

Its all about the money.

Naturally if an event is low ratings, its not good for business. Not good for advertisers either.

The NHL wont be in the same boat. They didn't just get a 77 Billion dollar deal.

So things like ratings are going to be a big deal now and in the future.

These ratings mean basically nothing because a huge percentage of viewers stream it illegally

[kyrv]

Minny fired him because of Wiggins and KAT - then that franchise sucked so bad that they got saved and landed Antman. They missed the playoffs 13 years in a row before Thibs.

The Bulls fired him because of Gar - ain't no life preservers coming and we got Fred's dumbass, then the ultimate clown who shall not be named followed up by play-in Billy.

The Knicks fired him because of who? Bridges who's never made an all star team and soft ass KAT again?

The Bulls went from averaging 48.25 wins in the last 4 years of Thibs to 41.5 the following two years with Hoiberg and 22 the last year of the Hoiberg era. Minny won 22.5 games in the 2 years before Thibs, 31 then 47 then 19-21 with Thibs and then went on to win .405, .297 and .319 of their games following Thibs. The Knicks were hilariously bad from 2013-2020 then they reach the ECF with Thibs and think they're not completely inept.

Minny, Chicago and NYK are 3 of the 5 worst franchises in the sport and outside of this Antman run, they ALL have been wildly irrelevant for nearly 20+ years outside of their time with Thibs.

Even Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce have criticized him for the same reasons everyone else has from their time in Boston.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/17/sports/kevin-garnett-wants-knicks-stars-to-confront-tom-thibodeau/

Thibs is so bad at a crucial element of the NBA, that 3 different organizations and 3 different groups of core players decided that everything you just wrote wasn't enough to negate it and still fired him.

You can't be a keeper as a coach if players are tuning you out. Point blank. Good coach, but he's too stubborn and never grasped player management and relationships well despite ample opportunity to do so.

Red you still da man.

I get the feeling some people don't believe the Thibs criticism and/or think it's a made up fans/media thing. Thibs is who he is, he seems a little better than he was with the Bulls but not quite enough.

As far as Thibs being the hapless victim in every situation, not really buying that.

tldr; The bolded part sums up Thibs. He doesn't adequately control the things he had control over.

I still think Thibs did well to have the by NBA standards long-ish tenures in Chicago and NY.

[dice]

2 off days between games played at the same location is unacceptable

[dice]

Knicks wanting Kidd now, the runner up (to Thibs) in their 2020 interview process. What a New York state of mind lol.

Lol Kidd is going to pass on leading the team with Cooper Flagg & Anthony Davis?
NYK is going to be a meat grinder, if he doesn't get to the Finals next year he'll be eviscerated by the media like Thibs.

Kidd only leaves Dallas if Giannis to NY is happening behind the scenes. In which case, the Giannis/Brunson duo would make NY the favorite in the East next year. Might be too good for JKidd to pass up.

Kidd also coached Giannis his first 5 years in Milwaukee so the connection is there

Could be interesting as NY can put together a great offer with a combination of KAT/OG/Mikal/Hart plus picks

you've got the knicks sending 127 mil in next season salary to the bucks there

[MAQ]

2 off days between games played at the same location is unacceptable

I understand avoiding Friday and seeking out Sunday.

Just means game 1 should have been Tuesday instead of Thursday.

Game 2 Thursday.

Built in travel day for Game 3 on Sunday.

[samwana]

2 off days between games played at the same location is unacceptable

Takes out a lot of excitement.

[Dan Z]

Lol Kidd is going to pass on leading the team with Cooper Flagg & Anthony Davis?
NYK is going to be a meat grinder, if he doesn't get to the Finals next year he'll be eviscerated by the media like Thibs.

Kidd only leaves Dallas if Giannis to NY is happening behind the scenes. In which case, the Giannis/Brunson duo would make NY the favorite in the East next year. Might be too good for JKidd to pass up.

Kidd also coached Giannis his first 5 years in Milwaukee so the connection is there

Could be interesting as NY can put together a great offer with a combination of KAT/OG/Mikal/Hart plus picks

you've got the knicks sending 127 mil in next season salary to the bucks there

The Knicks don't have any picks to trade. It would have to involve a third team.

Plus, would Milwaukee agree to go from a team led by Giannis to a team led by KAT?

[Susan]

Minny fired him because of Wiggins and KAT - then that franchise sucked so bad that they got saved and landed Antman. They missed the playoffs 13 years in a row before Thibs.

The Bulls fired him because of Gar - ain't no life preservers coming and we got Fred's dumbass, then the ultimate clown who shall not be named followed up by play-in Billy.

The Knicks fired him because of who? Bridges who's never made an all star team and soft ass KAT again?

The Bulls went from averaging 48.25 wins in the last 4 years of Thibs to 41.5 the following two years with Hoiberg and 22 the last year of the Hoiberg era. Minny won 22.5 games in the 2 years before Thibs, 31 then 47 then 19-21 with Thibs and then went on to win .405, .297 and .319 of their games following Thibs. The Knicks were hilariously bad from 2013-2020 then they reach the ECF with Thibs and think they're not completely inept.

Minny, Chicago and NYK are 3 of the 5 worst franchises in the sport and outside of this Antman run, they ALL have been wildly irrelevant for nearly 20+ years outside of their time with Thibs.

Even Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce have criticized him for the same reasons everyone else has from their time in Boston.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/17/sports/kevin-garnett-wants-knicks-stars-to-confront-tom-thibodeau/

Thibs is so bad at a crucial element of the NBA, that 3 different organizations and 3 different groups of core players decided that everything you just wrote wasn't enough to negate it and still fired him.

You can't be a keeper as a coach if players are tuning you out. Point blank. Good coach, but he's too stubborn and never grasped player management and relationships well despite ample opportunity to do so.

Red you still da man.

I get the feeling some people don't believe the Thibs criticism and/or think it's a made up fans/media thing. Thibs is who he is, he seems a little better than he was with the Bulls but not quite enough.

As far as Thibs being the hapless victim in every situation, not really buying that.

tldr; The bolded part sums up Thibs. He doesn't adequately control the things he had control over.

I still think Thibs did well to have the by NBA standards long-ish tenures in Chicago and NY.

You got a favorite moment from the last decade of Chicago Bulls basketball that I'm missing? Hey, maybe the next decade will be better!

[Red Larrivee]

You got a favorite moment from the last decade of Chicago Bulls basketball that I'm missing? Hey, maybe the next decade will be better!

Let's stop acting like it we kept Thibs and ignored all the significantly glaring faults of his coaching style, that the last 10 years of Bulls basketball would be meaningfully better.

He's a good coach; nobody's saying otherwise. However, every team that's fired him was justified in doing so, regardless of the decisions they made after he was gone. He's not Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan. Nobody's building an organization around him for a decade and ignoring that players dislike playing for him.

[boozapalooza]

Lol Kidd is going to pass on leading the team with Cooper Flagg & Anthony Davis?
NYK is going to be a meat grinder, if he doesn't get to the Finals next year he'll be eviscerated by the media like Thibs.

Kidd only leaves Dallas if Giannis to NY is happening behind the scenes. In which case, the Giannis/Brunson duo would make NY the favorite in the East next year. Might be too good for JKidd to pass up.

Kidd also coached Giannis his first 5 years in Milwaukee so the connection is there

Could be interesting as NY can put together a great offer with a combination of KAT/OG/Mikal/Hart plus picks

you've got the knicks sending 127 mil in next season salary to the bucks there

“A combination of”, not trading all 4 guys. I think 2 of them would need to be on the table plus McBride/Kolek/other young guys

[KissedByaRose1]

You got a favorite moment from the last decade of Chicago Bulls basketball that I'm missing? Hey, maybe the next decade will be better!

Let's stop acting like it we kept Thibs and ignored all the significantly glaring faults of his coaching style, that the last 10 years of Bulls basketball would be meaningfully better.

He's a good coach; nobody's saying otherwise. However, every team that's fired him was justified in doing so, regardless of the decisions they made after he was gone. He's not Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan. Nobody's building an organization around him for a decade and ignoring that players dislike playing for him.

I would bet a whole bunch of money our last 10 years would have been much much more enjoyable with Thibs as a head coach. Even if you play the stupid game where you just give him whatever roster we had that year, don’t factor in he’d likely have some input, we’d have at least 4-5 more regular season wins a year. You can say that number sounds high but obviously no one takes the regular season more seriously than him and he would have drilled as much fundamentals/basketball common sense/etc where we’d simply execute better down the stretch and suck less. Thibs wins 45-46 games a year on average with the abortion of the Lavine/Derozan/Vooch big 3 we just went through.

Does any of this bring us closer to a title? Absolutely not. But since we went up 2-0 on Boston in 2017 there’s almost zero basketball joy in any of our life’s and you can’t tell me we’d at least have a few more fun war stories if Thibs wasn’t around.

I thought he did a bad job as Timberwolves GM but I don’t even think he’s close to as bad as the Gar/AKME **** we’ve been dealt.

[MrSparkle]

Beating a dead horse, but NBC made a strong effort to “present” the finals as an epic showdown.

ESPN/ABC makes it feel like a regular season game, but with more/longer halftime ads.

[DuckIII]

Even Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce have criticized him for the same reasons everyone else has from their time in Boston.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/17/sports/kevin-garnett-wants-knicks-stars-to-confront-tom-thibodeau/

Thibs is so bad at a crucial element of the NBA, that 3 different organizations and 3 different groups of core players decided that everything you just wrote wasn't enough to negate it and still fired him.

You can't be a keeper as a coach if players are tuning you out. Point blank. Good coach, but he's too stubborn and never grasped player management and relationships well despite ample opportunity to do so.

Red you still da man.

I get the feeling some people don't believe the Thibs criticism and/or think it's a made up fans/media thing. Thibs is who he is, he seems a little better than he was with the Bulls but not quite enough.

As far as Thibs being the hapless victim in every situation, not really buying that.

tldr; The bolded part sums up Thibs. He doesn't adequately control the things he had control over.

I still think Thibs did well to have the by NBA standards long-ish tenures in Chicago and NY.

You got a favorite moment from the last decade of Chicago Bulls basketball that I'm missing? Hey, maybe the next decade will be better!

None of that has anything to do with Thibs but you made a huge point about moving on with Thibs and no longer being a Bulls fan, so I kinda understand the desperate lengths you are going to deflect a conversation about Thibs from being about Thibs.

The only reason you are even here is to post about the Bears and **** on the Bulls.

[Susan]

Red you still da man.

I get the feeling some people don't believe the Thibs criticism and/or think it's a made up fans/media thing. Thibs is who he is, he seems a little better than he was with the Bulls but not quite enough.

As far as Thibs being the hapless victim in every situation, not really buying that.

tldr; The bolded part sums up Thibs. He doesn't adequately control the things he had control over.

I still think Thibs did well to have the by NBA standards long-ish tenures in Chicago and NY.

You got a favorite moment from the last decade of Chicago Bulls basketball that I'm missing? Hey, maybe the next decade will be better!

None of that has anything to do with Thibs but you made a huge point about moving on with Thibs and no longer being a Bulls fan, so I kinda understand the desperate lengths you are going to deflect a conversation about Thibs from being about Thibs.

The only reason you are even here is to post about the Bears and **** on the Bulls.

The Bulls were enjoyable during the Thibs era and have been wretched ever since. The Knicks just fired Thibs after a level of success that's wildly foreign to that franchise and unless they get supremely lucky, they're about to regress terribly and go back to irrelevance.

It's just insane to me that fans are using what amounts to be office politics as an excuse to justify a move that's so clearly set back the organization. As fans, what the hell are people cheering for if it's not wins and losses?

[Susan]

You got a favorite moment from the last decade of Chicago Bulls basketball that I'm missing? Hey, maybe the next decade will be better!

Let's stop acting like it we kept Thibs and ignored all the significantly glaring faults of his coaching style, that the last 10 years of Bulls basketball would be meaningfully better.

He's a good coach; nobody's saying otherwise. However, every team that's fired him was justified in doing so, regardless of the decisions they made after he was gone. He's not Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan. Nobody's building an organization around him for a decade and ignoring that players dislike playing for him.

We'd have AT LEAST 4 playoff wins, probably closer to 4 playoff series wins if we're being honest.

You invoked the name of Phil Jackson into this discussion? Dude was pushed out of town alongside the greatest athlete of all time because the Chicago Bulls have uplifted mediocre GMs at the expense of the few elite players and coaches they've had.

Maybe if their GMs were outmaneuvering everybody out maneuvering everybody like Howie Roseman, Theo Epstein and Sam Presti it would be justified - but instead they give the most mediocre men on the planet the longest leash and carte blanche to get rid of anybody that threatens their fragile ego.

[Red Larrivee]

The Bulls were enjoyable during the Thibs era and have been wretched ever since. The Knicks just fired Thibs after a level of success that's wildly foreign to that franchise and unless they get supremely lucky, they're about to regress terribly and go back to irrelevance.

It's just insane to me that fans are using what amounts to be office politics as an excuse to justify a move that's so clearly set back the organization. As fans, what the hell are people cheering for if it's not wins and losses?

If 3 different jobs fire you for the same reason, at what point do you begin to take any ounce of accountability for getting fired?

Wins and losses are not the only evaluation for coaches.