What would you give for Garland ?

[RookieStar]

Someone here mentioned a swap of Garland & Franz Wagner could be really interesting both fans may hate it. Unfortunately it doesn't solve Cleveland's depth issue due to how expensive this team is

Magic fans coming for your ass

Our pitchforks are being sharpened as we speak

[flranger]

25-10 career averages, name someone that averaged that for a career that isn’t HoF

You do realize how all those years on the backside deplete career averages don't you? Promise you a 36yr old Trae who is about to retire will pull those averages way down.

[Godymas]

25-10 career averages, name someone that averaged that for a career that isn’t HoF

You do realize how all those years on the backside deplete career averages don't you? Promise you a 36yr old Trae who is about to retire will pull those averages way down.

Ah yes, he will go from 25-10 to 24-9 when Trae Young averages like 10-5 on the post dynasty Spurs, good call, I guess no one gets into the HoF with 24-9 career averages

[Godymas]

Trae solves nothing for the Cavs though. You're just getting a worse shooting, worse defense, same Ast:TO ratio at a higher volume, smaller, more expensive player.

Trae Young is actually the opposite of what the Cavs need.

It’s ok to admit you don’t watch the Hawks. There’s a big difference in what Trae Young can do with a competent big man vs. Clint Capela and Okongwu. He had John Collins averaging 21 for a season

I don't have to, i watch the Cavs and I know a worst shooting and worst defender version of Garland is not what the Cavs need...

o ya Trae is a worse shooter and isn't just hunted consistently due to being the only threat on his poorly built team with no spacing, right.

The Cavs had 2 weak defenders in their back court this year and it didn't matter, the team doesn't need their guard to be an elite defender.

The Cavs need a better playmaker, what made Garland valuable this year was his leaps as a playmaker, but he's not better than Trae Young.

[basketballRob]

Someone here mentioned a swap of Garland & Franz Wagner could be really interesting both fans may hate it. Unfortunately it doesn't solve Cleveland's depth issue due to how expensive this team is

The Magic would never do that. Franz is near an all nba defender. He also had the same identical stats as SGA in year 4.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=gilgesh01&p1yrfrom=2022&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=wagnefr01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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[TheShow2021]

Someone here mentioned a swap of Garland & Franz Wagner could be really interesting both fans may hate it. Unfortunately it doesn't solve Cleveland's depth issue due to how expensive this team is

The Magic would never do that. Franz is near an all nba defender. He also had the same identical stats as SGA in year 4.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=gilgesh01&p1yrfrom=2022&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=wagnefr01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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Franz is arguably a top ten player even with the bad 3 point shooting. In different years he's been top ten in multiple plus minus stats.
If anything Orlando should be trying to trade Paolo before Franz.

[mcfly1204]

As far as a return goes, Cleveland would be looking for a combo guard or wing who can create and is less likely to be targeted on the defensive end. I would expect there to be a flaw, e.g. average shooter from deep. With Cleveland unable to aggregate, I don't see a lot of realistic options out there.

[Asian Celtic]

Could a Darius and picks for Trey Murphy work in any way shape or form ? Id love to see Trey play backcourt with Don…

Trey >>>>

[MyTake_1]

Cleveland is facing a huge tax bill, they want to trade Garland for cap space. Forget about getting a rotation player in return.
Look to the Nets to see if something can be done with maybe a third team jumping in.

[mcfly1204]

Cleveland is facing a huge tax bill, they want to trade Garland for cap space. Forget about getting a rotation player in return.
Look to the Nets to see if something can be done with maybe a third team jumping in.

YourTake is flat out wrong. It's wild for someone to think Cleveland would be looking to just dump Garland's salary.

[Iwasawitness]

You really said older in the case of 26 vs. 25 right now.

Here’s a sentence to illustrate a point.

One is a future HoFer and the other is Darius Garland.

1. Trae isn't a future HOF.

2. He doesn't solve Cleveland's problems. If anything he makes them worse.

25-10 career averages, name someone that averaged that for a career that isn’t HoF

That's your best argument? Career averages?

And again, Trae isn't going to solve Cleveland's problems. He isn't what Cleveland needs right now.

[JujitsuFlip]

It’s ok to admit you don’t watch the Hawks. There’s a big difference in what Trae Young can do with a competent big man vs. Clint Capela and Okongwu. He had John Collins averaging 21 for a season

I don't have to, i watch the Cavs and I know a worst shooting and worst defender version of Garland is not what the Cavs need...

o ya Trae is a worse shooter and isn't just hunted consistently due to being the only threat on his poorly built team with no spacing, right.

The Cavs had 2 weak defenders in their back court this year and it didn't matter, the team doesn't need their guard to be an elite defender.

The Cavs need a better playmaker, what made Garland valuable this year was his leaps as a playmaker, but he's not better than Trae Young.

Look at the numbers bro, Garland is the more efficient shooter. For both their entire careers.

Mitchell isn't even a bad defender, that is so overblown. He just shouldn't be paired with a worse defender than Garland...

Garland didn't leap as a playmaker, he's always been a good play maker lol he is one of the top play making PG in the NBA. He was 8.6 APG vs 3.6 TO before Mitchell joined the team, 2.38 ast:to ratio

Garland had a 2.68 ast:to this season vs Trae's ast:to ratio this season is 2.46.

Cavs need a Dyson Daniels in their back court at 2 with Mitchell, not a less efficent scrawnier, worse defender version of Garland. It would also work wonders if they could have someone with Risacher size starting at the 3.

[JujitsuFlip]

Cleveland is facing a huge tax bill, they want to trade Garland for cap space. Forget about getting a rotation player in return.
Look to the Nets to see if something can be done with maybe a third team jumping in.

Dan Gilbert is worth $23.7 billion dollars. Yes, billion, with a B. He does not care about a hundred million dollar tax bill, it is pennies to him.

Cavs are not salary dumping a 25 year old All Star PG lol get a grip.

[Godymas]

I don't have to, i watch the Cavs and I know a worst shooting and worst defender version of Garland is not what the Cavs need...

o ya Trae is a worse shooter and isn't just hunted consistently due to being the only threat on his poorly built team with no spacing, right.

The Cavs had 2 weak defenders in their back court this year and it didn't matter, the team doesn't need their guard to be an elite defender.

The Cavs need a better playmaker, what made Garland valuable this year was his leaps as a playmaker, but he's not better than Trae Young.

Look at the numbers bro, Garland is the more efficient shooter. For both their entire careers.

Mitchell isn't even a bad defender, that is so overblown. He just shouldn't be paired with a worse defender than Garland...

Garland didn't leap as a playmaker, he's always been a good play maker lol he is one of the top play making PG in the NBA. He was 8.6 APG vs 3.6 TO before Mitchell joined the team, 2.38 ast:to ratio

Garland had a 2.68 ast:to this season vs Trae's ast:to ratio this season is 2.46.

Cavs need a Dyson Daniels in their back court at 2 with Mitchell, not a less efficent scrawnier, worse defender version of Garland. It would also work wonders if they could have someone with Risacher size starting at the 3.

wrong wrong wrong! Jarrett Allen is the most efficient lob threat in the league and Mitchell is not sufficient to
unlock him

Congrats on the math bro, next time do it while watching a game

There is a volume gap you are NOT accounting for

[JujitsuFlip]

o ya Trae is a worse shooter and isn't just hunted consistently due to being the only threat on his poorly built team with no spacing, right.

The Cavs had 2 weak defenders in their back court this year and it didn't matter, the team doesn't need their guard to be an elite defender.

The Cavs need a better playmaker, what made Garland valuable this year was his leaps as a playmaker, but he's not better than Trae Young.

Look at the numbers bro, Garland is the more efficient shooter. For both their entire careers.

Mitchell isn't even a bad defender, that is so overblown. He just shouldn't be paired with a worse defender than Garland...

Garland didn't leap as a playmaker, he's always been a good play maker lol he is one of the top play making PG in the NBA. He was 8.6 APG vs 3.6 TO before Mitchell joined the team, 2.38 ast:to ratio

Garland had a 2.68 ast:to this season vs Trae's ast:to ratio this season is 2.46.

Cavs need a Dyson Daniels in their back court at 2 with Mitchell, not a less efficent scrawnier, worse defender version of Garland. It would also work wonders if they could have someone with Risacher size starting at the 3.

wrong wrong wrong! Jarrett Allen is the most efficient lob threat in the league and Mitchell is not sufficient to
unlock him

Congrats on the math bro, next time do it while watching a game

There is a volume gap you are NOT accounting for

Allen won't even be on this team if the Cavs start trading guys away. They need a 5 who can stretch the floor, if Mobley isn't going to slide over full time.

Ohhhhh the good ol' eye test argument, nice.

Assist to turnover ratio eliminates the need to care about volume... Garland is the more efficient shooter AND the more efficient passer.

Hate to break it to ya but Trae in a back court with Mitchell, he is no longer going to be able to hold the ball for 8.4 seconds every possession. That was literally 2nd in the NBA behind only Brunson. Players get volume by dominating the ball.

[MyTake_1]

Cleveland is facing a huge tax bill, they want to trade Garland for cap space. Forget about getting a rotation player in return.
Look to the Nets to see if something can be done with maybe a third team jumping in.

Dan Gilbert is worth $23.7 billion dollars. Yes, billion, with a B. He does not care about a hundred million dollar tax bill, it is pennies to him.

Cavs are not salary dumping a 25 year old All Star PG lol get a grip.

I am sure Mr. Gilbert does not see it your way, shelling out $100MM a year is bad business no matter what your assets may be valued at.

Also, there is a question of future flexibility to make Cavs better, being stuck over 2nd apron is a bad idea, and Cavs are not quite good enough unless they can find a couple of more pieces.

It makes sense to let Garland go for the right amount and something.

[Iwasawitness]

o ya Trae is a worse shooter and isn't just hunted consistently due to being the only threat on his poorly built team with no spacing, right.

The Cavs had 2 weak defenders in their back court this year and it didn't matter, the team doesn't need their guard to be an elite defender.

The Cavs need a better playmaker, what made Garland valuable this year was his leaps as a playmaker, but he's not better than Trae Young.

Look at the numbers bro, Garland is the more efficient shooter. For both their entire careers.

Mitchell isn't even a bad defender, that is so overblown. He just shouldn't be paired with a worse defender than Garland...

Garland didn't leap as a playmaker, he's always been a good play maker lol he is one of the top play making PG in the NBA. He was 8.6 APG vs 3.6 TO before Mitchell joined the team, 2.38 ast:to ratio

Garland had a 2.68 ast:to this season vs Trae's ast:to ratio this season is 2.46.

Cavs need a Dyson Daniels in their back court at 2 with Mitchell, not a less efficent scrawnier, worse defender version of Garland. It would also work wonders if they could have someone with Risacher size starting at the 3.

wrong wrong wrong! Jarrett Allen is the most efficient lob threat in the league and Mitchell is not sufficient to
unlock him

Congrats on the math bro, next time do it while watching a game

There is a volume gap you are NOT accounting for

Please stop trying to justify your ridiculous suggestion. Trae for Garland does nothing to help Cleveland.

[JonFromVA]

Before we get heavy into this discussion, can a few Cleveland fans (that are level headed and realistic) that are in-tuned with the Cavaliers finances tell us what they might be looking for?

Positions?
Archetype?
Salary range?
Depth?
Picks?

The Cavs would ideally looking for a wing who can bring the ball up against pressure, can hold his own in a switch, and would be happy to let Mitchell and Mobley handle the ball a lot and has to be a player who's relatively rugged. Derrick White is so far the only name I've heard that kind of meets these goals. The player's age should be somewhere in the vicinity of Mitchell and Mobley.

The second apron situation complicates the salary discussion and may need to be a 1 for 1 swap or involve a team that can absorb salary.

So.. OP.. i think you should also "sell" Garland to prospective buyers. So list down real and honest qualities that they will be getting.

Size Strength Position Attitude Locker Room Health etc etc

Garland has been putting on weight and strength since his rookie season, so for instance at his 6'1" 192 listed weight he's 2 pounds heavier than Brunson, even has a 6'5" wingspan .vs. the 6'4" wingspan of the stockier Brunson. Garland is a very outgoing, up beat guy with a positive attitude, but not much of a leader and can get down on himself when his shot isn't falling. He's quick and crafty, but not fast. He creates well for teammates and himself. He plays well on the ball and off the ball. He tries on defense, but opponents can shoot over him. Garland hits big shots - his clutch time numbers are excellent even though he's only assisted 26% of the time.

His biggest weaknesses is he hasn't been able to stay healthy for 82 games + the post season. This season it was a big toe injury that slowed him down and threw his shot off. He was still trying to drive and create and use his floater, but his drives can get sloppy when he can't command space with his 3pter.

Unfortunately Mitchell has the same problem staying healthy - he's just better at playing through it.

Trading for another player with a problematic injury history is a non-starter in my book. Garland's upside if healthy is enough to warrant taking the chance he might actually be healthy for a change when it matters and no matter we spin it ... Mitchell/Mobley just aren't the same level of playmakers as Garland.

[Godymas]

Look at the numbers bro, Garland is the more efficient shooter. For both their entire careers.

Mitchell isn't even a bad defender, that is so overblown. He just shouldn't be paired with a worse defender than Garland...

Garland didn't leap as a playmaker, he's always been a good play maker lol he is one of the top play making PG in the NBA. He was 8.6 APG vs 3.6 TO before Mitchell joined the team, 2.38 ast:to ratio

Garland had a 2.68 ast:to this season vs Trae's ast:to ratio this season is 2.46.

Cavs need a Dyson Daniels in their back court at 2 with Mitchell, not a less efficent scrawnier, worse defender version of Garland. It would also work wonders if they could have someone with Risacher size starting at the 3.

wrong wrong wrong! Jarrett Allen is the most efficient lob threat in the league and Mitchell is not sufficient to
unlock him

Congrats on the math bro, next time do it while watching a game

There is a volume gap you are NOT accounting for

Please stop trying to justify your ridiculous suggestion. Trae for Garland does nothing to help Cleveland.

ya haven’t stated any reason why the tradeoff of a better playmaker with an elite lob threat isn’t objectively better

[DowJones]

Trae Young is a really good player — and he’s better than Garland. But he’s not a good fit in Cleveland, and a straight swap of Young for Garland doesn’t make much sense for either team.