What would you give for Garland ?

[JujitsuFlip]

Cleveland is facing a huge tax bill, they want to trade Garland for cap space. Forget about getting a rotation player in return.
Look to the Nets to see if something can be done with maybe a third team jumping in.

Dan Gilbert is worth $23.7 billion dollars. Yes, billion, with a B. He does not care about a hundred million dollar tax bill, it is pennies to him.

Cavs are not salary dumping a 25 year old All Star PG lol get a grip.

I am sure Mr. Gilbert does not see it your way, shelling out $100MM a year is bad business no matter what your assets may be valued at.

Also, there is a question of future flexibility to make Cavs better, being stuck over 2nd apron is a bad idea, and Cavs are not quite good enough unless they can find a couple of more pieces.

It makes sense to let Garland go for the right amount and something.

The 2025-26 season will be year 1 in the tax and year 1 in the 2nd apron for the Cavs.

You act like they've been here perpetually. They have manipulated the cap to be able to do this, they're running it back. The east is wide open next season.

[DowJones]

Cleveland is facing a huge tax bill, they want to trade Garland for cap space. Forget about getting a rotation player in return.
Look to the Nets to see if something can be done with maybe a third team jumping in.

Dan Gilbert is worth $23.7 billion dollars. Yes, billion, with a B. He does not care about a hundred million dollar tax bill, it is pennies to him.

Cavs are not salary dumping a 25 year old All Star PG lol get a grip.

I am sure Mr. Gilbert does not see it your way, shelling out $100MM a year is bad business no matter what your assets may be valued at.

Also, there is a question of future flexibility to make Cavs better, being stuck over 2nd apron is a bad idea, and Cavs are not quite good enough unless they can find a couple of more pieces.

It makes sense to let Garland go for the right amount and something.

It’s a tough sell to come on a message board and tell Cavs fans that the team is looking to dump their 25-year-old, two-time All-Star point guard for financial reasons. You might be right, maybe Dan Gilbert isn’t willing to pay a large tax bill, and maybe the front office is considering a cost-cutting move involving Garland. But without any credible reporting to back that up, you are going to face pushback from Cavs fans when making that kind of claim.

[MyTake_1]

Dan Gilbert is worth $23.7 billion dollars. Yes, billion, with a B. He does not care about a hundred million dollar tax bill, it is pennies to him.

Cavs are not salary dumping a 25 year old All Star PG lol get a grip.

I am sure Mr. Gilbert does not see it your way, shelling out $100MM a year is bad business no matter what your assets may be valued at.

Also, there is a question of future flexibility to make Cavs better, being stuck over 2nd apron is a bad idea, and Cavs are not quite good enough unless they can find a couple of more pieces.

It makes sense to let Garland go for the right amount and something.

It’s a tough sell to come on a message board and tell Cavs fans that the team is looking to dump their 25-year-old, two-time All-Star point guard for financial reasons. You might be right, maybe Dan Gilbert isn’t willing to pay a large tax bill, and maybe the front office is considering a cost-cutting move involving Garland. But without any credible reporting to back that up, you are going to face pushback from Cavs fans when making that kind of claim.

The idea that Cleveland is listening to offers for Garland itself is only reasonable if you are going to look for tax relief. I mean, they would need a point guard anyway, so why even put Garlad's name out there, not like they are going to get someone better for him.

[basketballRob]

Garland and Allen for Anthony Davis make sense for both sides.

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[JJ_PR]

Garland and Allen for Anthony Davis make sense for both sides.

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Nah. I wouldn't do Garland straight up for injury prone 32-year-old Davis, let alone adding Allen. Not a fan.

[mcfly1204]

Garland and Allen for Anthony Davis make sense for both sides.

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Nah. I wouldn't do Garland straight up for injury prone 32-year-old Davis, let alone adding Allen. Not a fan.

And from the Dallas perspective, they're not resigning Irving, and fixing their glut of centers with another deal?

[JJ_PR]

Garland and Allen for Anthony Davis make sense for both sides.

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Nah. I wouldn't do Garland straight up for injury prone 32-year-old Davis, let alone adding Allen. Not a fan.

And from the Dallas perspective, they're not resigning Irving, and fixing their glut of centers with another deal?

It doesn't make sense for either side, but Dallas wins the trade big time. Garland is much younger than Irving and Allen way better than Gafford and Lively.

I'm just not a fan of Davis and his injury history.

[Dan33185]

Cleveland is facing a huge tax bill, they want to trade Garland for cap space. Forget about getting a rotation player in return.
Look to the Nets to see if something can be done with maybe a third team jumping in.

Dan Gilbert is worth $23.7 billion dollars. Yes, billion, with a B. He does not care about a hundred million dollar tax bill, it is pennies to him.

Cavs are not salary dumping a 25 year old All Star PG lol get a grip.

It always amazes me the amount of people here who don't understand this. All these owners are playing with monopoly money, the NBA is a hobby for them, and none of them are losing money. If the NBA folded tomorrow they would all go on being billionaires and printing money.

[DowJones]

I am sure Mr. Gilbert does not see it your way, shelling out $100MM a year is bad business no matter what your assets may be valued at.

Also, there is a question of future flexibility to make Cavs better, being stuck over 2nd apron is a bad idea, and Cavs are not quite good enough unless they can find a couple of more pieces.

It makes sense to let Garland go for the right amount and something.

It’s a tough sell to come on a message board and tell Cavs fans that the team is looking to dump their 25-year-old, two-time All-Star point guard for financial reasons. You might be right, maybe Dan Gilbert isn’t willing to pay a large tax bill, and maybe the front office is considering a cost-cutting move involving Garland. But without any credible reporting to back that up, you are going to face pushback from Cavs fans when making that kind of claim.

The idea that Cleveland is listening to offers for Garland itself is only reasonable if you are going to look for tax relief. I mean, they would need a point guard anyway, so why even put Garlad's name out there, not like they are going to get someone better for him.

I don’t think that report said the Cavs are looking to dump Garland for financial reasons. Again, Garland is 25 years old and a 2x All-Star PG. Teams just don't salary-dump players like that. Dan Gilbert can afford paying the 2nd apron for a year or two. If the team needs to save money, why wouldn't they look to move Okoro, Strus, or even Hunter?

[basketballRob]

I would feel better about AD in the playoffs over Garland and Allen. Dallas could move Gafford and Kyrie.

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[Tor_Raps]

IQ + Dick + Castleton + 2026 lottery protected 1st for Garland + Okoro.

Cavs save about 10M off their cap sheet total while getting rid of Okoro's ugly contract. IQ could work better off the ball with Mitchell on a lower salary.

[JujitsuFlip]

Garland and Allen for Anthony Davis make sense for both sides.

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What?! No it doesn't. He hates playing the 5, very vocal against it. Plus the guy can't stay healthy and 4 post seasons in a row the Cavs can't stay healthy come spring.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Suggs for Garland makes a lot of sense for both teams.

No

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Someone here mentioned a swap of Garland & Franz Wagner could be really interesting both fans may hate it. Unfortunately it doesn't solve Cleveland's depth issue due to how expensive this team is

No

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Someone here mentioned a swap of Garland & Franz Wagner could be really interesting both fans may hate it. Unfortunately it doesn't solve Cleveland's depth issue due to how expensive this team is

Yes, it's a Knicks fan who always suggests it.

Franz solves nothing for the Cavs.

He is a 4 who can't shoot. He plays the same position as Mobley. He'd have to play outta position again because Banchero currently has him out of position too.

He is a 3 and he plays a 3. He played the 3 even before Paolo was on the team, so he would be an upgrade to whoever your small forward is. He’s efficient, just needs to rework his 3 of which he shot 36% the first two years. But even if, no!

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Someone here mentioned a swap of Garland & Franz Wagner could be really interesting both fans may hate it. Unfortunately it doesn't solve Cleveland's depth issue due to how expensive this team is

The Magic would never do that. Franz is near an all nba defender. He also had the same identical stats as SGA in year 4.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=gilgesh01&p1yrfrom=2022&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=wagnefr01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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Franz is arguably a top ten player even with the bad 3 point shooting. In different years he's been top ten in multiple plus minus stats.
If anything Orlando should be trying to trade Paolo before Franz.

Why would we try and trade Paolo? He is 22 and will make $15 million next year. He also show up in the playoffs. We have both Franz and Paolo, we don’t need to trade either right now.

[toooskies]

Any Cleveland aggregation requires understanding the 2nd apron, which is not being done in this thread. Garland + Allen for X usually requires another salary to a third team and losing Jerome/Merrill in free agency, which is only worth it for the Cavs if they’re getting back an MVP candidate.

In other words, it’s Garland for a smaller salary coming back.

[JujitsuFlip]

IQ + Dick + Castleton + 2026 lottery protected 1st for Garland + Okoro.

Cavs save about 10M off their cap sheet total while getting rid of Okoro's ugly contract. IQ could work better off the ball with Mitchell on a lower salary.

Yuck, no thanks, highway robbery for the Raps.

I'd take like Ingram and Agbaji.

To make the money work the first trade call would be Garland for Ingram. The 2nd trade call would be Agbaji + Castleton i guess bc we need a backup 5 + if we could squeeze a guy like Battle outta ya for Okoro + pick 49.

[Tor_Raps]

IQ + Dick + Castleton + 2026 lottery protected 1st for Garland + Okoro.

Cavs save about 10M off their cap sheet total while getting rid of Okoro's ugly contract. IQ could work better off the ball with Mitchell on a lower salary.

Yuck, no thanks, highway robbery for the Raps.

I'd take like Ingram and Agbaji.

To make the money work the first trade call would be Garland for Ingram. The 2nd trade call would be Agbaji + Castleton i guess bc we need a backup 5 + if we could squeeze a guy like Battle outta ya for Okoro + pick 49.

Ya I agree... not an enticing package from the raptors. IQ + RJ + Castleton + pick for Garland + Okoro would probably be the most the raptors can offer.

[JujitsuFlip]

IQ + Dick + Castleton + 2026 lottery protected 1st for Garland + Okoro.

Cavs save about 10M off their cap sheet total while getting rid of Okoro's ugly contract. IQ could work better off the ball with Mitchell on a lower salary.

Yuck, no thanks, highway robbery for the Raps.

I'd take like Ingram and Agbaji.

To make the money work the first trade call would be Garland for Ingram. The 2nd trade call would be Agbaji + Castleton i guess bc we need a backup 5 + if we could squeeze a guy like Battle outta ya for Okoro + pick 49.

Ya I agree... not an enticing package from the raptors. IQ + RJ + Castleton + pick for Garland + Okoro would probably be the most the raptors can offer.

That's just the Knicks overpaid old scraps for a 2 time NBA All-Star, it's a non starter for me.

I need your starting SF and a guy capable of starting SG to bump Strus to the bench.

So if it's not Ingram then there's not even a conversation to be had.

I'd do Garland for Ingram + #9 straight up.