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Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1301 » by Indeed » Sun Jun 8, 2025 2:07 am

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Has he, thought? I suppose if all you care about is pure volume, then sure, but anyone can put up volume with enough attempts if you don't care about efficiency at all.



Yes, I agree that we do not need him to be a go-to scorer and we shouldn't have him taking pull-up 3s or stepbacks... or really any 3s above the break. But in the same breath, I think he is still a very good player if we aren't ramming possessions to him and trying to force him into something he's not.

I'd be very happy with Scottie down to 10 or 12 very sculpted FGA/g, emphasizing his defense and occasionally using him as a playmaker. He's a touch overpaid, but it is what it is. And if he starts catching All-D selections, we'll worry less about that, undoubtedly. And he definitely has that level of defensive ability.



So, as I said in my earlier post, I think there are ways to improve his value as a scoring threat. The first is to release him of focal obligation. That SHOULD be happening right away. Then it's to slap him right in the mouth every time he takes an above-break 3, because he's not good at them. Then it's about getting him to screen competently, cut well off-ball, and see if we can't leverage a little of his post game. And then SOME of those drives. He's also pretty good in transition, more as a passer than as a scorer but that's useful anyway. So we should 100% keep letting him race the ball up the court in transition because he's a good defensive rebounder and that option presents itself often.

The trick is that we need to be very clear that he isn't supposed to be a 20+ ppg scorer, and he isnt' supposed to be a volume isolation guy. He isn't good at those things to any degree which makes it worthwhile to send such possessions his way. So if we can start emphasizing more off-ball action and the play types at which he IS somewhat proficient, his overall look as a scorer will be much better.

There's potential there, just not as the type of dominant focal scorer which we lack so badly right now.


How do you think Scottie would do in Siakam's current role? Running in transition, attacking mismatches? I think he's great at attacking smaller defenders, since he actually has a good touch and he's naturally physically imposing. I believe his rizz will be unlocked by improving his handles. Unlikely that that happens but... maybe he proves us wrong.

Scootie doesn't have Siakam's motor. Neither does he have Pascal's refines midrange. Scottie is dusting off the dreams of being like Tyrese Haliburton


Isn't Siakam shooting near 40% from 3s this season? Over 45% from 3s in the playoffs?
Barnes isn't even a 3&D yet, and let's not even get to self creation, so I am unsure how we want to compare Barnes to Siakam. I think we can compare Barnes to Anunoby.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1302 » by bballsparkin » Sun Jun 8, 2025 3:11 am

Scottie took a lot of ugly threes this season. Threes he has no business taking on a competitive team. Hopefully with time he picks his spots and increases his efficiency from deep.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1303 » by tsherkin » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:57 am

bballsparkin wrote:Scottie took a lot of ugly threes this season. Threes he has no business taking on a competitive team. Hopefully with time he picks his spots and increases his efficiency from deep.


He's pretty rough above the break. It's worth realizing that the bulk of his ATB 3s were WIDE open. Like, "no one within 6 feet" kind of open. His shot selection wasn't that bad, except in the sense that he should just give the ball back to the other team instead of taking ATB 3s.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1304 » by Scase » Sun Jun 8, 2025 4:29 pm

If Scottie is shooting 3's from anywhere besides wide open in the corners, we are not trying to win, simple as that.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1305 » by tsherkin » Sun Jun 8, 2025 5:15 pm

Scase wrote:If Scottie is shooting 3's from anywhere besides wide open in the corners, we are not trying to win, simple as that.


Well, we'll see. There is gonna be some degree of ego involved in, and then also some degree of practical reality.

Whilst I joke we should slap him every time he takes an ATB three, you kinda can't TOTALLY avoid them if you're at all ever handling at the point, you know? So, I imagine there will be some of them. I just want to see them reduced, and to see what we can do to play towards better, higher-efficiency shots for him. I want to see his role meaningfully adapted based on the roster and what we've learned about him.

If we do that, I'll be happy, and we can tolerate one or two crappy ATB threes from him a game, you know what I mean?
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1306 » by Scase » Sun Jun 8, 2025 6:39 pm

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Scase wrote:If Scottie is shooting 3's from anywhere besides wide open in the corners, we are not trying to win, simple as that.


Well, we'll see. There is gonna be some degree of ego involved in, and then also some degree of practical reality.

Whilst I joke we should slap him every time he takes an ATB three, you kinda can't TOTALLY avoid them if you're at all ever handling at the point, you know? So, I imagine there will be some of them. I just want to see them reduced, and to see what we can do to play towards better, higher-efficiency shots for him. I want to see his role meaningfully adapted based on the roster and what we've learned about him.

If we do that, I'll be happy, and we can tolerate one or two crappy ATB threes from him a game, you know what I mean?

I mean more about game planning to have him take those shots, if he decides on his own to take them, that's no fault to the team and doesn't impact trying to win.

Shooting 26% ATB might as well be shooting 0% with the way defences will react to it, so outside of him just YOLOing them just by being out there, there isn't any strategic reason for him to take them. I think it's just going to continue being those "heat check" ones that he's so keen on, what matters is like you said, if those can be limited to 1-2 a game MAX, then it's manageable. Anything beyond that and it becomes multiple wasted possessions per game, unless we magically become even better (by a lot) of an offensive rebounding team. We were 4th best in the league last year, practically tied for 3rd (12.9 vs 12.6), and those ATB 3's still killed us.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1307 » by tsherkin » Sun Jun 8, 2025 6:44 pm

Scase wrote:I mean more about game planning to have him take those shots, if he decides on his own to take them, that's no fault to the team and doesn't impact trying to win.


Yes, I agree we shouldn't be game planning for him to take those, just accepting of the 1 or 2 he may have to take based on how the game unfolds and a lot more from the corner, where he's below average but more acceptable.
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Post#1308 » by bballsparkin » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:38 pm

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bballsparkin wrote:Scottie took a lot of ugly threes this season. Threes he has no business taking on a competitive team. Hopefully with time he picks his spots and increases his efficiency from deep.


He's pretty rough above the break. It's worth realizing that the bulk of his ATB 3s were WIDE open. Like, "no one within 6 feet" kind of open. His shot selection wasn't that bad, except in the sense that he should just give the ball back to the other team instead of taking ATB 3s.


I had to look up what ATB was. Maybe I just remember some of his fugly off the bounce threes that missed badly and that skewed my memory. Either way hopefully he can add some range more efficiently. Or at the very least a better mid range shot.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1309 » by tsherkin » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:53 pm

bballsparkin wrote:I had to look up what ATB was. Maybe I just remember some of his fugly off the bounce threes that missed badly and that skewed my memory. Either way hopefully he can add some range more efficiently. Or at the very least a better mid range shot.


At this point, I'm not holding out hope for more range.

He's shown he can shoot around the elbow and the baseline, which is good. He's shown he can shoot pretty reasonably from the post. So there's anything to work with there. And while he's below-average, he can hit corner threes around 35-36%, which is something.

But we definitely don't want to push him in terms of shooting from range, because it has never been his game and it really isn't his thing.

There is stuff we can do to mitigate his problems as a scorer, while enhancing his utility as a defender, assuming we keep him instead of trading him, but he's never going to be a particularly impressive scorer, I suspect.

I am hopeful that if we keep him, then we've got the roster now to use him properly and see what that might look like, though.
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Post#1310 » by YoungG » Mon Jun 9, 2025 11:22 pm

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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1311 » by Scase » Mon Jun 9, 2025 11:31 pm

Ahh the off season has truly begun.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1312 » by tsherkin » Tue Jun 10, 2025 2:23 pm

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Heh, classic off-season workout tweet.
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Post#1313 » by dTox » Tue Jun 10, 2025 2:38 pm

What I'd like to see, if we're going to be posting summer workout tweets, is him working on his handles.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1314 » by tsherkin » Tue Jun 10, 2025 2:56 pm

dTox wrote:What I'd like to see, if we're going to be posting summer workout tweets, is him working on his handles.


I'd love a 40-minute video of just him setting screens which don't suck, and then rolling off of them. Corner 3s and screen action. xD
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1315 » by MiamiSPX » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:18 pm

I don't care for the summer workout videos. We already know he's as strong as an ox. Let's just hope he's endlessly working on his game.

Although nobody was enamored with his game this past season, they couldn't really go after him due to his contract. Now that the extension is kicking in (and his annual salary quadrupling), the knives will be out if there isn't noticeable improvement. I'm betting he has a big season (only because I don't want to think of the alternative lol).
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1316 » by TheGeneral99 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:05 pm

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Heh, classic off-season workout tweet.


Pensare is so annoying, lol.

Looks like a routine player workout and his body looks the exact same.

I'd be more interested in some dribbling/mid-range/off the dribble iso footage like we saw with Demar circa 2013-2015...you could really see the improvement. I remember seeing this video back then and I was like "oh ****" that is some real improvement.

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Post#1317 » by TakeYourHeart » Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:11 pm

I was thinking he could stand to slim down, starting to look like JV
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Post#1318 » by ForeverTFC » Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:17 pm

tsherkin wrote:
dTox wrote:What I'd like to see, if we're going to be posting summer workout tweets, is him working on his handles.


I'd love a 40-minute video of just him setting screens which don't suck, and then rolling off of them. Corner 3s and screen action. xD


One of the very few facets of his game where the Giannis comp is dead-on...
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1319 » by tsherkin » Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:19 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:I'd be more interested in some dribbling/mid-range/off the dribble iso footage like we saw with Demar circa 2013-2015...you could really see the improvement. I remember seeing this video back then and I was like "oh ****" that is some real improvement.


Yeah, but I mean, off-season workout videos are what they are, right? We're starved for new content for the next, like, 4 or 5 months until and unless interesting trades happen, so anything is something I guess.

With Scottie, nothing he does in the offseason is going to mean anything to me. I want to see what happens in live game scenarios and that's the only thing about which I'll care, so it is what it is.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1320 » by Scase » Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:24 pm

I would be happy to see workout videos, if they were emulating whatever Curry did to strengthen his ankle. Scottie has been hobbling around every single game since Embiid stomped on it, and it's concerning.
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