Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd

[spree2kawhi]

This deal is my dream scenario and better in terms of overall roster construction even over Giannis especially if we are tyring to keep KAT and Brunson together:

Reasons why:
1. Brunson remains the alpha of the team
2. KAT remains option #2
3. You surround KAT and Brunson with numerous players in the backcourt and frontcourt that supplement the defensive deficiencies in their game.
4. You increase 3 point shooting on the team with numerous 40 +% potential 3 ball shooters
5. You bring Donte , Brunsons buddy on the team
6. You remain under the 2nd apron
7. Depth on team is excellent



Rotation (Minutes):
JJJ(24)/KAT(14)/ Naz (10)
KAT(20)/JJJ(10)/Naz (18)
OG(32)/ Hart (10) /Naz (6)
Divo (25) / Hart(10)/ Simmons (3)
Brunson (34)/ Simmons (14)

Extended Bench: Shamet, Wright, Huk

*If Naz is unlikely since he would have to pick up his team option to come here...then.....just take Brandon Clarke on Knicks to slary match the outgoing and incoming salaries and Naz simply leaves and the Wolves have more money to play with.

That is some ridiculously good return, but why would Minnesota do that?

its all about cap for them and balancing the roster around their players. Minny version Divo was arguably worse than McBride when you factor in defense and they can have McBride at a 1/3 of ths cost. Minny also lacks a true point guard with Connelly kind of cooked. Kolek has excellent point gaurd vision and passing ability and would add a very interesting potential dynamic to their backcourt.

I think that’s wishful thinking. If any team doesn’t need a young point guard prospect that is still too green to play playoff minutes, it’s them. They could use McBride, but don’t need to trade DiVo and Reid to get him. It just doesn’t make sense.

[KnixinSix]

Kat For Trey Murphy and herb jones makes too much sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No it doesn't. Way too little back for a top 10-12 player in MVP voting this year.

I like Kat but he is nowhere near a top 10-12 player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Getting herb and Murphy allows to get more athletic and better defensively(which helps Brunson immensely)without losing kats shooting gravity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s a perfect trade if we’re being honest with ourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't belittle KATs value. Thibs defense magnified his weaknesses. And by all advanced metrics he was one of the best players on the floor for us last year.

[Clyde_Style]

Grimes is the ideal backcourt partner for Brunson. He is literally the ideal prototype with size, elite defense and ability to score off the ball.

Odds of that happening are probably close to zero. Letting him go for peanuts was Rose's biggest mistake.

Grimes was one of the few young players that really got a lot of opportunities here if we are honest. He played 17minutes a game as a rookie which is pretty rare under Thibs. Then he became a fulltime starter playing 30minutes a game in his second season. He really regressed his third season and looked very hesitant with his shot etc. I think we sometimes tend to believe a certain development would have taken place regardless of the player's environment but I'm not sure. I feel like Grimes got a very fair shake here....maybe he was too young, maybe too much pressure....keep in mind that the late season breakthrough is in limited games...if anything Mavs fans should be mad at Harrison because Grimes was playing pretty solid for them prior to the trade...

Parking Grimes in the corner was Thibs response. Prior to getting the yips, Grimes was taking his man off the dribble from the perimeter and scoring at the rim or making nice dishes off penetration. Thibs created the situation. Grimes responded poorly which is on him. But his talent was too good for Thibs to not work it out and that remains on him. Both player and coach carry the blame on this one. The FO should have kept him and made Thibs work it out.

[KnixinSix]

That is some ridiculously good return, but why would Minnesota do that?

its all about cap for them and balancing the roster around their players. Minny version Divo was arguably worse than McBride when you factor in defense and they can have McBride at a 1/3 of ths cost. Minny also lacks a true point guard with Connelly kind of cooked. Kolek has excellent point gaurd vision and passing ability and would add a very interesting potential dynamic to their backcourt.

I think that’s wishful thinking. If any team doesn’t need a young point guard prospect that is still too green to play playoff minutes, it’s them. They could use McBride, but don’t need to trade DiVo and Reid to get him. It just doesn’t make sense.

Reid is picking up his team option contingent of coming back home to Jersey and playing for us. Otherwise he bolts. Again this is an assumption which is why just taking Clarke instead of sending to Minny and just getting DDV is another option.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Whatever happens this summer, I trust the FO not to drive us off the cliff. I hope the coach is hired before they make any roster decisions. I think they may stay under the 2nd apron one more summer.

For all we know, Dolan fires everyone tomorrow!!

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks gut the roster yet?

[Pr0nzingis]

Grimes is the ideal backcourt partner for Brunson. He is literally the ideal prototype with size, elite defense and ability to score off the ball.

Odds of that happening are probably close to zero. Letting him go for peanuts was Rose's biggest mistake.

"“It’s just hard when you go the whole quarter without touching the ball, the whole second quarter without touching the ball, and then you get one shot and you got to make it,” Grimes said on Tuesday. “So it’s tough going out there and just standing in the corner the whole game. Then you got to make the shot when you shoot the ball one or two times per game. It is what it is. We’ll see.”"

His fate was sealed.

His fate was sealed when he couldn’t stay healthy and then the guy who filled in for him did his job better than him and stole his spot. It’s funny how Donte didn’t have that issue

It's also funny how Grimes just had a 22ppg season and Obi was key in Pacers first win in the finals and how both are athletic players, something Knicks lack.

There are a lot of funny things in this world.

[Clyde_Style]

Knicks gut the roster yet?

Leon is waiting for your trade proposals to get busy

chop chop

[HEZI]

"“It’s just hard when you go the whole quarter without touching the ball, the whole second quarter without touching the ball, and then you get one shot and you got to make it,” Grimes said on Tuesday. “So it’s tough going out there and just standing in the corner the whole game. Then you got to make the shot when you shoot the ball one or two times per game. It is what it is. We’ll see.”"

His fate was sealed.

His fate was sealed when he couldn’t stay healthy and then the guy who filled in for him did his job better than him and stole his spot. It’s funny how Donte didn’t have that issue

It's also funny how Grimes just had a 22ppg season and Obi was key in Pacers first win in the finals and how both are athletic players, something Knicks lack.

There are a lot of funny things in this world.

Grimes did not have a 22 ppg season so that actually is funny that you think he did. But he did put up numbers on his 3rd team since leaving NY. It just happened to be a wasted season for that team with everybody injuries and them being lottery bound but Grimes found comfort in getting his opportunity to shoot 20-25 times a game which is very ironic considering his complaint.

Obi barely saw an increase in minutes and production so he could have certainly still played less than 20 minutes a night in New York and given us the same spark off the bench but he thought he would get traded to a team that would provide him a better opportunity however they didn’t do him any favors. They traded for Siakam and pretty much sealed his fate as a bench player who plays 20 mpg. Could have done that on the Knicks too.

[Clyde_Style]

His fate was sealed when he couldn’t stay healthy and then the guy who filled in for him did his job better than him and stole his spot. It’s funny how Donte didn’t have that issue

It's also funny how Grimes just had a 22ppg season and Obi was key in Pacers first win in the finals and how both are athletic players, something Knicks lack.

There are a lot of funny things in this world.

Grimes did not have a 22 ppg season so that actually is funny that you think he did. But he did put up numbers on his 3rd team since leaving NY. It just happened to be a wasted season for that team with everybody injuries and them being lottery bound but Grimes found comfort in getting his opportunity to shoot 20-25 times a game which is very ironic considering his complaint.

Obi barely saw an increase in minutes and production so he could have certainly still played less than 20 minutes a night in New York and given us the same spark off the bench but he thought he would get traded to a team that would provide him a better opportunity however they didn’t do him any favors. They traded for Siakam and pretty much sealed his fate as a bench player who plays 20 mpg. Could have done that on the Knicks too.

For Philly last season, he averaged 21.9 PPG on 16.4 FGA in 33.7 MPG with 1.5 STL, 4.5 A and 5.2 REB

For Dallas last season, he averaged 10.2 PPG on 7.8 FGA in 22.8 MPG with 0.7 STL, 2.1 A and 3.8 REB

Solid production on both teams relative to minutes.

In Philly, he broke out once he had the greenlight, but he still only averaged 16.4 FGA despite what you think.

You can find any angle anytime you want to discount his Philly numbers. If he had failed you would have said he couldn't handle being a featured player.

But, instead, when he thrives when featured you say it doesn't count because the team was tanking.

Either way, you're going to discount what he did.

[HopelessKnick]

Looking at the situation more and more one can only hope our rookies ---at least 1-2 really improve next season and can become good contributors. Out of Dadiet, Hukporti and Kolek we need 1-2 to become reliable rotation players worthy of 15-20 minutes. I actually have confidence Hukporti can do it...I really like his flashes. Hopefully Kolek or Dadiet surprise us....if Dadiet can play a type of Dorian-Finney Smith role...that would already be incredibly huge...

I actually have some hopes for Dadiet....his shot looks silky smooth like I always expect it to go in and he generally moves very well across the court....he is long and supposed to be a good defender....we need some internal development. With a coach like Johnny Bryant I actually would have a lot of confidence for someone like Dadiet to improve significantly...

[JayTWill]

Grimes is the ideal backcourt partner for Brunson. He is literally the ideal prototype with size, elite defense and ability to score off the ball.

Odds of that happening are probably close to zero. Letting him go for peanuts was Rose's biggest mistake.

Grimes was one of the few young players that really got a lot of opportunities here if we are honest. He played 17minutes a game as a rookie which is pretty rare under Thibs. Then he became a fulltime starter playing 30minutes a game in his second season. He really regressed his third season and looked very hesitant with his shot etc. I think we sometimes tend to believe a certain development would have taken place regardless of the player's environment but I'm not sure. I feel like Grimes got a very fair shake here....maybe he was too young, maybe too much pressure....keep in mind that the late season breakthrough is in limited games...if anything Mavs fans should be mad at Harrison because Grimes was playing pretty solid for them prior to the trade...

I don't know. It's not like Thibs had a ton of options early in Grimes career after he benched Kemba and Rose missed most of the year. He moved Burks to the starting unit alongside Fournier. He was already giving a 2nd year IQ a big role with the 2nd unit so unless he was going to play Knox or Reddish after they traded for him i'm not sure who else but Grimes would play.

He did start and play a ton of minutes in his 2nd year after missing the first month and Fournier, Rose and Reddish were removed from the rotation but he also had his minutes cut significantly when Hart arrived. Grimes played well for a young player in his time on the court in his first 2 years but all it took was 1 month of bad play in his 3rd year before the fan base and the coach soured on him.

I've said this before but watching this team struggle after signing a poor defensive 20 point scorer in Fournier replacing him with Grimes refusing to include him in a Mitchell trade but eventually selling low on Grimes and trading him, Fournier and a 2nd for another poor defensive 20 point scorer in Bogey, struggling once again and then trading Bogey and 5 picks for Mikal just for him to play the same role as Grimes but possibly be a worse fit in that role is one of the most head scratching chain of events I have watched and somehow it was applauded by many most of the way.

We could have just showed a little bit more patience and encouragement with a young player but somehow we chose to give up a good chunk of our draft assets attempting to shortcut the process.

[HEZI]

It's also funny how Grimes just had a 22ppg season and Obi was key in Pacers first win in the finals and how both are athletic players, something Knicks lack.

There are a lot of funny things in this world.

Grimes did not have a 22 ppg season so that actually is funny that you think he did. But he did put up numbers on his 3rd team since leaving NY. It just happened to be a wasted season for that team with everybody injuries and them being lottery bound but Grimes found comfort in getting his opportunity to shoot 20-25 times a game which is very ironic considering his complaint.

Obi barely saw an increase in minutes and production so he could have certainly still played less than 20 minutes a night in New York and given us the same spark off the bench but he thought he would get traded to a team that would provide him a better opportunity however they didn’t do him any favors. They traded for Siakam and pretty much sealed his fate as a bench player who plays 20 mpg. Could have done that on the Knicks too.

For Philly last season, he averaged 21.9 PPG on 16.4 FGA in 33.7 MPG with 1.5 STL, 4.5 A and 5.2 REB

For Dallas last season, he averaged 10.2 PPG on 7.8 FGA in 22.8 MPG with 0.7 STL, 2.1 A and 3.8 REB

Solid production on both teams relative to minutes.

In Philly, he broke out once he had the greenlight, but he still only averaged 16.4 FGA despite what you think.

You can find any angle anytime you want to discount his Philly numbers. If he had failed you would have said he couldn't handle being a featured player.

But, instead, when he thrives when featured you say it doesn't count because the team was tanking.

Either way, you're going to discount what he did.

He still didn’t have a better overall season than Donte last season. His best season this year isn’t better than Donte’s last year. The truth of the matter is he was injured and when he did play he couldn’t take advantage of his opportunity and lost his minutes and role to Donte. The complaint he had of not getting shots makes no sense when the guy that took his spot was getting shots just fine and thrived. It’s just an excuse. Plus even if he did have a good season in NY he likely would have been shipped out in either the Mikal deal or the KAT deal instead of Donte.

But good for Grimes though, although if he thinks he’s going to be getting 14 shots a game when Embiid and Maxey are out there and if he thinks he’s won’t be standing in the corner just like he was in Dallas when he’s playing next to actual star players then he’s going to get another reality check. He needs to find comfort in being a role player because that’s what he will be if he wants to continue his career in the NBA.

[Nicnac]

Vinny is average. He had a career yr and is a valuable player but he isnt a difference maker. This Vinny obsession???...... as if he is the best 6th mam in bb. Smh. Smh

[Fury]

Vinny is average. He had a career yr and is a valuable player but he isnt a difference maker. This Vinny obsession???...... as if he is the best 6th mam in bb. Smh. Smh

Who is Vinny

[Pr0nzingis]

His fate was sealed when he couldn’t stay healthy and then the guy who filled in for him did his job better than him and stole his spot. It’s funny how Donte didn’t have that issue

It's also funny how Grimes just had a 22ppg season and Obi was key in Pacers first win in the finals and how both are athletic players, something Knicks lack.

There are a lot of funny things in this world.

Grimes did not have a 22 ppg season so that actually is funny that you think he did. But he did put up numbers on his 3rd team since leaving NY. It just happened to be a wasted season for that team with everybody injuries and them being lottery bound but Grimes found comfort in getting his opportunity to shoot 20-25 times a game which is very ironic considering his complaint.

Obi barely saw an increase in minutes and production so he could have certainly still played less than 20 minutes a night in New York and given us the same spark off the bench but he thought he would get traded to a team that would provide him a better opportunity however they didn’t do him any favors. They traded for Siakam and pretty much sealed his fate as a bench player who plays 20 mpg. Could have done that on the Knicks too.

Yes he had a 22ppg season with the Sixers and not only he didn't shoot 25 times a game but he actually improved his fg% while shooting more so i don't understand where the irony is. I don't think u know what irony means.

Yes Toppin went from a 7 rotation team to a 10 rotation team and "barely" improved his minutes and points. lol


Yes u convinced me with your dick ridding, definitely not two bad trades because of thibs idiocy.

[Wildcat]

Grimes is the ideal backcourt partner for Brunson. He is literally the ideal prototype with size, elite defense and ability to score off the ball.

Odds of that happening are probably close to zero. Letting him go for peanuts was Rose's biggest mistake.

Grimes was one of the few young players that really got a lot of opportunities here if we are honest. He played 17minutes a game as a rookie which is pretty rare under Thibs. Then he became a fulltime starter playing 30minutes a game in his second season. He really regressed his third season and looked very hesitant with his shot etc. I think we sometimes tend to believe a certain development would have taken place regardless of the player's environment but I'm not sure. I feel like Grimes got a very fair shake here....maybe he was too young, maybe too much pressure....keep in mind that the late season breakthrough is in limited games...if anything Mavs fans should be mad at Harrison because Grimes was playing pretty solid for them prior to the trade...

Parking Grimes in the corner was Thibs response. Prior to getting the yips, Grimes was taking his man off the dribble from the perimeter and scoring at the rim or making nice dishes off penetration. Thibs created the situation. Grimes responded poorly which is on him. But his talent was too good for Thibs to not work it out and that remains on him. Both player and coach carry the blame on this one. The FO should have kept him and made Thibs work it out.

While true on Grimes, I think at one point his finishes at the bucket ranked dirt low in the league. Very possibly I'm thinking of another Knick.

[JayTWill]

I feel like the Knicks are in a similar position with Mitch as they were with Randle last year where they have to decide if they are willing to gamble on his impact in the short term and decide if they want to commit to him long term. Mitch is not 30 yet but he may already be on the backside of his career his injuries and lack of long term skills developed.

I would be very open to moving him before now and the trade deadline rather than committing to him long term especially if KAT is going to be playing a ton of minutes at the 5 no matter what.

[HEZI]

It's also funny how Grimes just had a 22ppg season and Obi was key in Pacers first win in the finals and how both are athletic players, something Knicks lack.

There are a lot of funny things in this world.

Grimes did not have a 22 ppg season so that actually is funny that you think he did. But he did put up numbers on his 3rd team since leaving NY. It just happened to be a wasted season for that team with everybody injuries and them being lottery bound but Grimes found comfort in getting his opportunity to shoot 20-25 times a game which is very ironic considering his complaint.

Obi barely saw an increase in minutes and production so he could have certainly still played less than 20 minutes a night in New York and given us the same spark off the bench but he thought he would get traded to a team that would provide him a better opportunity however they didn’t do him any favors. They traded for Siakam and pretty much sealed his fate as a bench player who plays 20 mpg. Could have done that on the Knicks too.

Yes he had a 22ppg season with the Sixers and not only he didn't shoot 25 times a game but he actually improved his fg% while shooting more so i don't understand where the irony is. I don't think u know what irony means.

Yes Toppin went from a 7 rotation team to a 10 rotation team and "barely" improved his minutes and points. lol


Yes u convinced me with your dick ridding, definitely not two bad trades because of thibs idiocy.

He’s played on 4 teams in the last 2 years. Nobody cares what he put up on that trash Sixers team. You still didn’t answer my question, if it was the coach then why is it that the guy who stole his spot played better than him? If it was the coach then why did Donte not have issues getting shots or finding his fit? The answer is it wasn’t Thibs but it was Grimes. Whatever his excuse might be for why he stunk that last year, injuries or whatever it was, the fact still remains that he absolutely stunk and the guy who took his spot thrived.

Obi wanted out because he thought he would become a starter and play more minutes. He never got that and basically plays the same minutes and role just in a style that suits him better.

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