What would you give for Garland ?

[Iwasawitness]

wrong wrong wrong! Jarrett Allen is the most efficient lob threat in the league and Mitchell is not sufficient to
unlock him

Congrats on the math bro, next time do it while watching a game

There is a volume gap you are NOT accounting for

Please stop trying to justify your ridiculous suggestion. Trae for Garland does nothing to help Cleveland.

ya haven’t stated any reason why the tradeoff of a better playmaker with an elite lob threat isn’t objectively better

Multiple people have stated why this is a terrible idea. You just aren't listening.

For starters, Trae is a worse off the ball player. That would be a terrible fit for a team that bases a great deal of it's offense off of player movement.

Second, Trae doesn't solve our problems. Cleveland had a historic offense, why on earth would they need more? The issue against Indy was that Cleveland didn't have the length and physicality to stop Indy's offense.

What's going to solve our issues is finding a backup big and gaining additional lengthy wings. Your solution is getting rid of a small guard for another small guard who is a worse fit for our team.

So again I say, stop making this suggestion. Cleveland wouldn't say yes to it and neither would any team with a decent understanding of the cavaliers.

[MyTake_1]

Suppose Houston does not pick up VanVleet option.

Cleveland trades Garland to Houston for Amen Thompson.

Both teams save money and, in my view, get better.

[LarsV8]

Suppose Houston does not pick up VanVleet option.

Cleveland trades Garland to Houston for Amen Thompson.

Both teams save money and, in my view, get better.

No chance.

[Saul Goodman]

To me if the Raptors have a separate deal to send Quickley to Minnesota for either Gobert or Naz Reid Snt


To Cleveland
RJ Barrett
Ochai Abaji
#13

To Toronto
Darius Garland
#22


To Atlanta
#9



Garland/Dick/Ingram/Barnes/Reid could really unlock Barnes. 3 recent all stars that fit is a receipt for a great team

[JujitsuFlip]

Suppose Houston does not pick up VanVleet option.

Cleveland trades Garland to Houston for Amen Thompson.

Both teams save money and, in my view, get better.

Thompson is a great defender but the Cavs can't afford a wing who won't shoot 3s and when he does he misses em.

Plus did ya look at the salary discrepancy? $9.6 million vs $39.4 million.

They could add Reed Sheppard since he's been a bust. Could add Landale since he's effectively expiring. Still only gets em to $28.2 million in outgoing salary.

You'd have to add Eason and Holiday to make the money work, which Rockets aren't doing a 5 for 1 trade, their team would be gutted.

[JujitsuFlip]

To me if the Raptors have a separate deal to send Quickley to Minnesota for either Gobert or Naz Reid Snt


To Cleveland
RJ Barrett
Ochai Abaji
#13

To Toronto
Darius Garland
#22


To Atlanta
#9



Garland/Dick/Ingram/Barnes/Reid could really unlock Barnes. 3 recent all stars that fit is a receipt for a great team

That's a god awful return for the Cavs. Ingram and #9 for Garland is the only thing that makes sense from Cleveland's perspective.

Mitchell
#9
Ingram
Mobley
Allen
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Strus
Hunter
Wade
#49
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Okoro
Tyson
Okeke
Diop?

[MyTake_1]

Suppose Houston does not pick up VanVleet option.

Cleveland trades Garland to Houston for Amen Thompson.

Both teams save money and, in my view, get better.

Thompson is a great defender but the Cavs can't afford a wing who won't shoot 3s and when he does he misses em.

Plus did ya look at the salary discrepancy? $9.6 million vs $39.4 million.

They could add Reed Sheppard since he's been a bust. Could add Landale since he's effectively expiring. Still only gets em to $28.2 million in outgoing salary.

You'd have to add Eason and Holiday to make the money work, which Rockets aren't doing a 5 for 1 trade, their team would be gutted.

If they don't pick up VanVleet, Houston has bunch of cap space, they don't need to match incoming salaries if it is below their cap. That's the whole point.

[JonFromVA]

It’s a tough sell to come on a message board and tell Cavs fans that the team is looking to dump their 25-year-old, two-time All-Star point guard for financial reasons. You might be right, maybe Dan Gilbert isn’t willing to pay a large tax bill, and maybe the front office is considering a cost-cutting move involving Garland. But without any credible reporting to back that up, you are going to face pushback from Cavs fans when making that kind of claim.

The idea that Cleveland is listening to offers for Garland itself is only reasonable if you are going to look for tax relief. I mean, they would need a point guard anyway, so why even put Garlad's name out there, not like they are going to get someone better for him.

I don’t think that report said the Cavs are looking to dump Garland for financial reasons. Again, Garland is 25 years old and a 2x All-Star PG. Teams just don't salary-dump players like that. Dan Gilbert can afford paying the 2nd apron for a year or two. If the team needs to save money, why wouldn't they look to move Okoro, Strus, or even Hunter?

Windy reported the Cavs are answering their phone ... I mean the thread is fine, it's interesting to hear whatever ideas people may have, but Windy at least didn't report that the Cavs are shopping Garland even though the aggregators may have made it sound that way.

[LarsV8]

There are no scenarios where Cleveland is getting Amen Thompson, so you can save your breath.

But anyway, Cleveland obviously has a salary problem, so without advice on what Cavs would be looking to accomplish in a deal,folks will understanbly be looking for ways to save them money.

[MyTake_1]

There are no scenarios where Cleveland is getting Amen Thompson, so you can save your breath.

But anyway, Cleveland obviously has a salary problem, so without advice on what Cavs would be looking to accomplish in a deal,folks will understanbly be looking for ways to save them money.

Well, than resign VanVleet and stay irrelevant.

[HMFFL]

There are no scenarios where Cleveland is getting Amen Thompson, so you can save your breath.

But anyway, Cleveland obviously has a salary problem, so without advice on what Cavs would be looking to accomplish in a deal,folks will understanbly be looking for ways to save them money.

Well, than resign VanVleet and stay irrelevant.

Is that how you attempt to back your trade after people inform you that your offers is bad?

Amen is far more valueable and the Rockets seem to be trending up after a rebuild.

[JujitsuFlip]

Suppose Houston does not pick up VanVleet option.

Cleveland trades Garland to Houston for Amen Thompson.

Both teams save money and, in my view, get better.

Thompson is a great defender but the Cavs can't afford a wing who won't shoot 3s and when he does he misses em.

Plus did ya look at the salary discrepancy? $9.6 million vs $39.4 million.

They could add Reed Sheppard since he's been a bust. Could add Landale since he's effectively expiring. Still only gets em to $28.2 million in outgoing salary.

You'd have to add Eason and Holiday to make the money work, which Rockets aren't doing a 5 for 1 trade, their team would be gutted.

If they don't pick up VanVleet, Houston has bunch of cap space, they don't need to match incoming salaries if it is below their cap. That's the whole point.

They don't have $30 million in cap lol declining FVV gets them like $8 million in space and that includes renouncing Adams cap hold. Not as big of a deal but renouncing Unc Jeff Green, Tate, and Bullock's cap holds too.

[TheAlchemist]

Raptors would probably give a pretty decent deal around one of RJ / Quickley, the 9th pick, a young prospect like Gradey/Obagi/Walter and if need be a future 1st.

To me, I think those assets are good enough for Cleveland, especially if they go for a Gradey Dick + Quickley + 9th combo.

I think that's a lot though.

[axeman23]

25-10 career averages, name someone that averaged that for a career that isn’t HoF

You do realize how all those years on the backside deplete career averages don't you? Promise you a 36yr old Trae who is about to retire will pull those averages way down.

Ah yes, he will go from 25-10 to 24-9 when Trae Young averages like 10-5 on the post dynasty Spurs, good call, I guess no one gets into the HoF with 24-9 career averages

They don't if "24 and 9" is ALL they have to hang their hat on...

[Mr Loggins]

To me if the Raptors have a separate deal to send Quickley to Minnesota for either Gobert or Naz Reid Snt


To Cleveland
RJ Barrett
Ochai Abaji
#13

To Toronto
Darius Garland
#22


To Atlanta
#9



Garland/Dick/Ingram/Barnes/Reid could really unlock Barnes. 3 recent all stars that fit is a receipt for a great team

but why would cleveland do this deal?

[GopherIt!]

Who would you trade for Garland ?

DLo straight up

Cavs will need to add sweetner.

[jbk1234]

This thread is hilarious. Half the posters have the Cavs salary dumping Garland (those posters may want to look up the tax bill Gilbert was willing to pay during LBJ's 2nd stint). Then you have Raptors fans who want saddle the Cavs with the mistake contracts they handed out.

Let me spoil the surprise, Garland will either return good players, or he won't be traded.

[Sixers in 4]

To the 76ers, he's worth nothing. To other teams, it depends what they would be looking for. A team like the Timberwolves,Rockets,or the Magic can really benefit from someone like him.

The fit is extremely poor everything Garland does Maxey already does better. They'd essentially duplicate roles.

The thing people don't talk about is Garland isn't an alpha and he's a guy you sort of need to have the right roster for these guys don't go for a whole lot.

I don't think his value is great to be honest. Melo seems like a pipe dream. It's going to be hard to find a team with an impactful guy who is willing to trade him for Garland and has a big guard already on the roster.

Actually OKC makes some sense they have some 3D guys who are expensive fit what CLE needs they also have SGA who as a bigger guy is fine next to Garland.

[mcfly1204]

To the 76ers, he's worth nothing. To other teams, it depends what they would be looking for. A team like the Timberwolves,Rockets,or the Magic can really benefit from someone like him.

The fit is extremely poor everything Garland does Maxey already does better. They'd essentially duplicate roles.

The thing people don't talk about is Garland isn't an alpha and he's a guy you sort of need to have the right roster for these guys don't go for a whole lot.

I don't think his value is great to be honest. Melo seems like a pipe dream. It's going to be hard to find a team with an impactful guy who is willing to trade him for Garland and has a big guard already on the roster.

Actually OKC makes some sense they have some 3D guys who are expensive fit what CLE needs they also have SGA who as a bigger guy is fine next to Garland.

These takes are soo poor. "...everything Garland does Maxey already does better..." "...Garland isn't an alphas and he's a guy you sort of need to have the right roster for these guys don't go for a whole lot...". I mean, come on. Garland is a better shooter and distributor than Maxey, and what the hell does not being an alpha have to do with being a system player? The fact that Garland can run your offense, and play off ball, makes him pretty flexible...

[Iwasawitness]

To the 76ers, he's worth nothing. To other teams, it depends what they would be looking for. A team like the Timberwolves,Rockets,or the Magic can really benefit from someone like him.

The fit is extremely poor everything Garland does Maxey already does better. They'd essentially duplicate roles.

The thing people don't talk about is Garland isn't an alpha and he's a guy you sort of need to have the right roster for these guys don't go for a whole lot.

I don't think his value is great to be honest. Melo seems like a pipe dream. It's going to be hard to find a team with an impactful guy who is willing to trade him for Garland and has a big guard already on the roster.

Actually OKC makes some sense they have some 3D guys who are expensive fit what CLE needs they also have SGA who as a bigger guy is fine next to Garland.

I don't agree at all with the idea that Garland isn't an alpha. He's demonstrated multiple times that he has a killer instinct and is capable of taking over games down the stretch. He's also much better at running an offense than Maxey is.

His big problems are that he can't stay healthy and his shot is inconsistent. When his shot isn't falling, a great deal of his game is taken away from him. For the first half of the season, he was a 50/40/90 guy and it made him extremely dangerous on offense. He needs to find a way to maintain consistency.