More exciting young phenom Alcaraz, Bellingham or Wembanyama

[NO-KG-AI]

There isn’t an analogue to Wemby. That’s not to say that he’ll be the best or GOAT but I have personally never seen someone ao physically and aesthetically different from everyone else in the sports I’ve followed. He’s mind bendingly unique in a sport full of physical outliers and marvels.

[Chuck Everett]

Is there really a thing where Bellinghams looks elevates him? I mean, yeah, I can see he looks good, but I am not sure I see super model. The only athlete I can remember that undoubtfully had to be elevated by his looks was David Beckham, that was one of the best looking men alive, who was also just elite athlete.

Can't use Beckham because that's like using the Beatles or Elvis as a comparison to Taylor Swift. The eras are too far apart and society is different in terms of how we consume arts/sports/entertainment.

Is it? I am just saying, Beckham was undoubtfully 10/10, Bellingham is just fine, imo at least. I have heard people say Beckham is most attractive man alive, at least 15 years ago, it was very popular opinion to have. I could never imagine people say that about Jude. Hes good looking, but not any better than countless other players. You really think his looks are that strong it elevates anything? Not sure. Wemby is also good looking, imo better looking than Jude.

Wemby's a good looking guy too, but he's not a normal sized human being. And yes, I'm telling you Bellingham has male model looks (even if you don't see it).

Beckham being considered the most attractive man alive is pure white man propaganda (especially in Europe and/or the States). He obviously was handsome, just like Brad Pitt was/is handsome. But all that most attractive stuff, I'm not jiving with.

[UcanUwill]

Can't use Beckham because that's like using the Beatles or Elvis as a comparison to Taylor Swift. The eras are too far apart and society is different in terms of how we consume arts/sports/entertainment.

Is it? I am just saying, Beckham was undoubtfully 10/10, Bellingham is just fine, imo at least. I have heard people say Beckham is most attractive man alive, at least 15 years ago, it was very popular opinion to have. I could never imagine people say that about Jude. Hes good looking, but not any better than countless other players. You really think his looks are that strong it elevates anything? Not sure. Wemby is also good looking, imo better looking than Jude.

Wemby's a good looking guy too, but he's not a normal sized human being. And yes, I'm telling you Bellingham has male model looks (even if you don't see it).

Beckham being considered the most attractive man alive is pure white man propaganda (especially in Europe and/or the States). He obviously was handsome, just like Brad Pitt was/is handsome. But all that most attractive stuff, I'm not jiving with.

Hm, ok, I disagree on Beckham, we overdiscussed this at this point, but I think this is all opinion based, but certain times, people are so good looking, I dont think its opinion anymore. Beckham I think was that, hes like Henry Cavill. I hate Cavill as actor, but I get why people like him, he has one of those looks where its not opinion anymore, its just fact guy is stunning.

[Chuck Everett]

Hm, ok, I disagree on Beckham, we overdiscussed this at this point, but I think this is all opinion based, but certain times, people are so good looking, I dont think its opinion anymore. Beckham I think was that, hes like Henry Cavill. I hate Cavill as actor, but I get why people like him, he has one of those looks where its not opinion anymore, its just fact guy is stunning.

This is an oxymoron. Like I said, the guy can be handsome (in his day), but the most attractive alive? I'm sorry, that is propaganda at it's finest. Same with Cavill. And as I mentioned from the beginning, sometimes a guy's looks can elevate how people see them even beyond their abilities. Imagine if Kelly Oubre was actually an elite player or JJ Redick or Gordon Hayward.

[UcanUwill]

Hm, ok, I disagree on Beckham, we overdiscussed this at this point, but I think this is all opinion based, but certain times, people are so good looking, I dont think its opinion anymore. Beckham I think was that, hes like Henry Cavill. I hate Cavill as actor, but I get why people like him, he has one of those looks where its not opinion anymore, its just fact guy is stunning.

This is an oxymoron. Like I said, the guy can be handsome (in his day), but the most attractive alive? I'm sorry, that is propaganda at it's finest. Same with Cavill. And as I mentioned from the beginning, sometimes a guy's looks can elevate how people see them even beyond their abilities. Imagine if Kelly Oubre was actually an elite player or JJ Redick or Gordon Hayward.

I dont know, I am sure looks helps always, I just do not see that 10/10 looks in Jude, hes fine, thats where we diaagree.
I think Haaland is ugly, doesn't hurt him much. That said, I know women who say Haaland is super sexy, so I dont know, i have no idea. women for some reason always love thick lips, they spend thousands on surgery so they would look like Donald Duck...

MJ is nothing special, buts the GOAT.

[GIMME_DATT]

Alacaraz with a legendary come back

[sikma42]

The reality is there is probably no one alive today that has a chance in the next 20 years to overtake Messi in the football goat debate, he set the bar too high. Wemby and Alcarez is a better debate, but man Djokovics sustained excellence would take some topping in tennis

That’s a wild statement re Messi’s. He’s wasn’t that much further ahead comparatively to pretend nobody alive today could overtake.

I’d take the entire world population born from now until 2045 vs Messi. It’s definitely a safer bet than betting on Wemby to be the GOAT.

[ball_takes23]

Bellingham might not be a top 3 player on his own team, English players always get way overhyped in soccer. If he was from the Netherlands no one would care about him.

Alcaraz will likely end up with the best career out of the three, but Wemby is the most exciting and has the highest ceiling

[_NoMas]

The reality is there is probably no one alive today that has a chance in the next 20 years to overtake Messi in the football goat debate, he set the bar too high. Wemby and Alcarez is a better debate, but man Djokovics sustained excellence would take some topping in tennis

That’s a wild statement re Messi’s. He’s wasn’t that much further ahead comparatively to pretend nobody alive today could overtake.

I’d take the entire world population born from now until 2045 vs Messi. It’s definitely a safer bet than betting on Wemby to be the GOAT.

I’d take Messi. He has the eye test, trophies and stats over a 15 year period that are almost impossible to replicate.

[baldur]

The reality is there is probably no one alive today that has a chance in the next 20 years to overtake Messi in the football goat debate, he set the bar too high. Wemby and Alcarez is a better debate, but man Djokovics sustained excellence would take some topping in tennis

That’s a wild statement re Messi’s. He’s wasn’t that much further ahead comparatively to pretend nobody alive today could overtake.

I’d take the entire world population born from now until 2045 vs Messi. It’s definitely a safer bet than betting on Wemby to be the GOAT.

Chances are Nobody's surpassing messi in the next 50 years.

[KGtabake]

If you replace Bellingham with Lamine Yamal, this poll will be a lot more interesting.
Yamal has the potential to reach Messi's level in 15-20 years. A lot can happen until then of course.

[Edrees]

Well basketball is just more exciting to me than soccer and tennis, so you could put any basketball star and I would find them more exciting over any tennis or soccer star. Just admitting by bias but it is what it is. Poll says "exciting" which means its purely excitement and not how good you actually think each player is at their sports. if you said "who has more potential within their sport" or something I might answer differently than who I find exciting. I know it says in the post who I have more expectation for, but I just don't have expectations for the other guys so it's hard to factor that.

[ball_takes23]

The reality is there is probably no one alive today that has a chance in the next 20 years to overtake Messi in the football goat debate, he set the bar too high. Wemby and Alcarez is a better debate, but man Djokovics sustained excellence would take some topping in tennis

That’s a wild statement re Messi’s. He’s wasn’t that much further ahead comparatively to pretend nobody alive today could overtake.

I’d take the entire world population born from now until 2045 vs Messi. It’s definitely a safer bet than betting on Wemby to be the GOAT.

I’d take Messi. He has the eye test, trophies and stats over a 15 year period that are almost impossible to replicate.

Just looking at the history of soccer and other sports:

Maradona was the GOAT for 30+ years until Messi passed him.
Montana to Brady was 30+ years
MJ still the GOAT after 30+ years
Jack to Tiger was 30+ years
Ruth to Mays to Bonds was 30+ years between each
Gretzky still the GOAT after 30+ years

So Messi is definitely a favorite to still be the GOAT in 20 years from now. It becomes closer to a coin flip around 30 years.

[durden_tyler]

i know Alcaraz because only the top players are known in tennis. Who is Bellingham?

[Raps in 4]

i know Alcaraz because only the top players are known in tennis. Who is Bellingham?

Jude Bellingham, a good, but highly overrated, soccer player. Like all English prospects, he gets massively overrated in English-language media. He absolutely does not belong in this discussion as he is not a generational talent nor is he anywhere near the top talent in his sport. Carlos is the best tennis player in the world right now and is on an all-time great trajectory while Wemby is a unicorn unlike anyone we've seen before. Bellingham is like a Haliburton-level player.

[peZt]

The reality is there is probably no one alive today that has a chance in the next 20 years to overtake Messi in the football goat debate, he set the bar too high. Wemby and Alcarez is a better debate, but man Djokovics sustained excellence would take some topping in tennis

That’s a wild statement re Messi’s. He’s wasn’t that much further ahead comparatively to pretend nobody alive today could overtake.

I’d take the entire world population born from now until 2045 vs Messi. It’s definitely a safer bet than betting on Wemby to be the GOAT.

He was an incredible amount ahead of anyone else, including Ronaldo, the only thing that made it seem like it wasnt so was Ronaldo PR and his fanboys.

Ronaldo is for some reason known as the greatest goalscorer of all time. Yet Messi, has more goals per game, a better shot conversion rate, a better goals to expected goals ratio (so he makes more goals than she should, at a higher rate than Ronaldo) and a much higher non-penalty goals/90 minutes stat, so by all meaningful statistics Messi is a better goalscorer than Ronaldo. On top of that he is also the greatest dribbler, passer and playmaker of all time, while Ronaldo only excels at scoring and his winning mentality.
Take Messi's goalscoring away, make it so he has 0 goals all time. And people would still argue if he was the best player in the world at the time. Take Ronaldo's goalscoring away and what stays?

People (and by people I mean legends like Arsene Wenger) were calling Messi GOAT in 2011. When Messi was 23...

The reason why people say there won't be another Messi anytime soon is because he combined all of those things in one. You basically have to find someone who will become the greatest scorer, passer and dribbler of all time. The 3 roles of offensive football and usually 3 roles occupied by 3 different players as players usually dont excel at all at once. And he was the GOAT at all of them

I mean there is a subreddit dedicated to his dominance
https://www.reddit.com/r/TopRightMessi/

My favorite graph: Can you find him?

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A old washed Messi still the best dribbler in the world

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An old washed Messi still the best playmaker and passer in the world

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We have a subreddit called "toprightmessi" dedicated to his dominance in the sport and him being on the top right of every single statistical graph outside of the scale, yet these advanced stats mostly didnt even exist in his prime.


We have a new phenom right now in Football, Lamine Yamal. He is the greatest 16 and 17 year old of all time. Yet, people still say its not possible for hi him to reach Messi levels.

[durden_tyler]

i know Alcaraz because only the top players are known in tennis. Who is Bellingham?

Jude Bellingham, a good, but highly overrated, soccer player. Like all English prospects, he gets massively overrated in English-language media. He absolutely does not belong in this discussion as he is not a generational talent nor is he anywhere near the top talent in his sport. Carlos is the best tennis player in the world right now and is on an all-time great trajectory while Wemby is a unicorn unlike anyone we've seen before). Bellingham is like a Haliburton-level player.

Oh that's why, it's soccer so i guess will never know him again. i think that Conor McDavid guy belongs in this list but obviously not sure if he's an all-timer potential like Wemby and Alcaraz.

[Raps in 4]

i know Alcaraz because only the top players are known in tennis. Who is Bellingham?

Jude Bellingham, a good, but highly overrated, soccer player. Like all English prospects, he gets massively overrated in English-language media. He absolutely does not belong in this discussion as he is not a generational talent nor is he anywhere near the top talent in his sport. Carlos is the best tennis player in the world right now and is on an all-time great trajectory while Wemby is a unicorn unlike anyone we've seen before). Bellingham is like a Haliburton-level player.

Oh that's why, it's soccer so i guess will never know him again. i think that Conor McDavid guy belongs in this list but obviously not sure if he's an all-timer potential like Wemby and Alcaraz.

McDavid definitely belongs in that group. He's the best player in his sport and is on an ATG-trajectory. However, he's also much older. I think this was supposed to be a "next generation" grouping.

[durden_tyler]

Jude Bellingham, a good, but highly overrated, soccer player. Like all English prospects, he gets massively overrated in English-language media. He absolutely does not belong in this discussion as he is not a generational talent nor is he anywhere near the top talent in his sport. Carlos is the best tennis player in the world right now and is on an all-time great trajectory while Wemby is a unicorn unlike anyone we've seen before). Bellingham is like a Haliburton-level player.

Oh that's why, it's soccer so i guess will never know him again. i think that Conor McDavid guy belongs in this list but obviously not sure if he's an all-timer potential like Wemby and Alcaraz.

McDavid definitely belongs in that group. He's the best player in his sport and is on an ATG-trajectory. However, he's also much older. I think this was supposed to be a "next generation" grouping.

Didn't know he was old and obviously not following hockey that much

[peZt]

But there is a new Football guy that belongs to this conversation instead of Bellingham: Lamine Yamal. 17 years old, arguably already top 3 player in the world, undeniably the greatest 16/17 year old of all time and unprecendented resumee at his age. Led his country to a European Championship at age 16, that's unheard of.