The new CBAs stifling of ratings

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The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#1 » by Patches Perry » Sun Jun 8, 2025 9:47 pm

I made this post in another thread but thought it deserved its own thread because there is a clear cause and effect not being talked about enough with the ratings being a direct result of changed to the CBA.

We can attribute a lot of this to the effects of the last couple CBAs. It created parity in a way that makes ratings difficult to attain, because ratings are often built on familiarity. People tune in for the faces and teams they are familiar with.

In the past, the factors that drive ratings would be:
1. Household names (LeBron, Steph, etc)
2. Big city markets

The new CBAs (supermax in 2017 and 2nd apron in 2023) are counterintuitive to the current and prior approach for driving ratings. They flattened big market spending advantage with the 2nd apron, and supermax deals made it harder to build championship teams around larger than life household names because they eat up a larger percentage of the cap. Big city markets used to be able to get around the spending problem by just absorbing the tax penalties and spending ungodly amounts of money, but the penalties are so harsh and punitive now that even big markets will baulk with the 2nd apron. And for #1, by the time a player becomes a household name, they are certainly well into their supermax era, so you have to build their supporting cast from the 65% of remaining cap space. Naturally, the lower max caps and lax penalties for big markets overspending in the past led to more big markets and household names in the finals.

On top of that, depth and versatility are more important than ever. You can hardly even play offensive or defensive liabilities very many minutes without them being exposed quickly. Both OKC and Indiana have 10+ man rotations where every guy is offensively and defensively capable. Boston won last year with this model as well, and in the finals, you had even Luka being hunted. Last series, Brunson was being hunted. In the modern pace and space style, you have to have 5 two way competent basketball players on the court at all times, which means you probably need at least 8 total. Building a team with 8 competent players who can do that is tough if your top players are making 35% of the cap.

We've also talked about how the new CBA limits a team's window, which also works against ratings. Boston is a big market and by virtue of winning a title had become more household names. But the 2nd apron crunch has effectively closed their window. Same thing happened to Denver, which led to them losing KCP and Brown. Indiana seems poised to keep this team together a long while, but OKC is going to have the same crunch in a couple years.


Many of us view parity as a good thing, but it is unquestionably bad for ratings. Familiarity with the names, faces and teams (as well as a bigger base of fans in big cities) is what brings people back year over year. The CBA makes it difficult to keep championship teams together and also keep household names surrounded with enough talent to succeed year over year.

Should the NBA adjust the CBA next time around to solve for this? As a Thunder fan, obviously I don't want big markets to get back their spending advantage, but I think there has to be ways to allow teams to keep championship teams together.
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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#2 » by BigGargamel » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:16 pm

It's the NBA's fault for failing to market its new generation of stars and teams. ESPN and the NBA still only know how to talk about Durant/Harden/LeBron/Curry/Lakers. Screw them.
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Post#3 » by Mephariel » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:21 pm

Except the NBA playoffs had great ratings this year.
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Post#4 » by ItsDanger » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:25 pm

Not sure how this impacts LeBron's legacy.
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Post#5 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:30 pm

This is a great example of creating a conclusion in your head (familiarity drives ratings and parody is bad for it) and working backwards

Niether of which is true and quite frankly the NFL has proved it.

The problem is how the NBA has chosen to market itself

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Post#6 » by Johnny Bball » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:30 pm

Stop complaining that you can't have everything. Every single team faces cap issues eventually.
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Post#7 » by Patches Perry » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:36 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:Stop complaining that you can't have everything. Every single team faces cap issues eventually.


Ratings seem important to a lot of people. I don't care about "single team" issues, but broad league issues that NBA fans seem to care about (as indication by the 12 page thread about poor finals ratings).
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Post#8 » by LeBronSpaghetti » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:37 pm

Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow. Which of them play for a big market team in NY, Chicago, LA, Boston, SF, etc?

None of them. And their ratings are still through the roof when they play. You can have a league where small market teams generate big tv ratings but the NBA is adamant about not wanting that.
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Post#9 » by cupcakesnake » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:37 pm

It's one thing to have people tune in for big games, like the finals or whatever. It's another thing all together to grow the pool of fans who are generally interested in watching basketball for entertainment.

Big market big names might make the finals more like a super bowl tv event, with tons of people who don't care about the sport tuning in for a little bit. I think the "product" being good is much more important, and I think parity creates that because there's more interesting matchups all year, and better quality basketball.

On another note, when are we going to stop talking about tv ratings? Who cares? It's a dying medium that will suffer perma-death once a profitable streaming model wins out. I've never owned a tv, so the only time I'm contributing to tv ratings is when I got to a sports bar or visit my hometown (where I watch tv in my parents basement, lol). I'm not an atypical audience member. Most people watch legal and illegal streams. Broadcast tv has died, and sports is the last bastion of it. Why do we think this is a useful metric for the long term growth of the game?
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Post#10 » by adubmac » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:41 pm

The NBA has locked in TV deals for the next 11 years so unless you work for a broadcast partner, enjoy the parity.
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Post#11 » by Patches Perry » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:42 pm

RRyder823 wrote:This is a great example of creating a conclusion in your head (familiarity drives ratings and parody is bad for it) and working backwards

Niether of which is true and quite frankly the NFL has proved it.

The problem is how the NBA has chosen to market itself

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I can't take serious anyone comparing NFL to the NBA given the vast differences across the board (less player driven, totally different cultural roots in America, inherent scheduling advantages, etc). The idea that the NBA can learn anything about marketing from the NFL is silly.
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Post#12 » by jkvonny » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:49 pm

A lot of the mid/small makets in the NFL are very successful, have large followings/viewership, etc. Pittsburgh, Green Bay/Milwaukee, Buffalo, Kansas City, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Miami, Denver, New Orleans, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, etc

Yes, it's all about marketing. The NBA can learn something about it from the NFL.
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Post#13 » by Ugly0598 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:50 pm

It's nice to have a sport with 15+ million people tuning in.
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Post#14 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:36 pm

Patches Perry wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:This is a great example of creating a conclusion in your head (familiarity drives ratings and parody is bad for it) and working backwards

Niether of which is true and quite frankly the NFL has proved it.

The problem is how the NBA has chosen to market itself

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I can't take serious anyone comparing NFL to the NBA given the vast differences across the board (less player driven, totally different cultural roots in America, inherent scheduling advantages, etc). The idea that the NBA can learn anything about marketing from the NFL is silly.


Did you really just name two things that the could be affected by the way the NBA markets itself as reasons why the NBA couldn't market itself differently? lol

Your last sentence is completely asinine if u believe it



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Post#15 » by scrabbarista » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:40 pm

I heard somewhere that Silver's goal is to have market size become irrelevant.

The idea is that with billions of eyes to capture globally, should it really matter that one city has ten million more people than another?

(The problem with that is that the Lakers supposedly already have like 25% of global fans. But that can be addressed by giving them 26 year-old five-time First Team All-NBA-ers...)
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Post#16 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:50 pm

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The problem is how the NBA has chosen to market itself

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The idea the NBA could have the same success as the NFL if it just marketed itself better is nuts.

The NFL is far more popular than any other sports league because they sell football not because they have a hard cap. If the NFL had the exact same salary structure, marketing scheme and schedule but sold soccer or baseball or basketball it would collapse in popularity. The proof that the hard cap and parity have little to do with the NFL's success is the popularity college football which is the second most popular sport in America.

College football has no parity. The top programs get all the best prospects and the sport is dominated by a handful of schools. In the last seventeen years, Alabama has won six national championships and played in the title game 9 times. Despite that lack of parity, college football is way more popular than the NBA.

The OP is right the NBA does way better with dynasties rather than new champions and it reaches its peak success marketed around superstar players. The NBA is limited in what it can do about the latter. Sometimes the best player in the NBA is a great player who isn't marketable as was the case with Kareem and Duncan. The marketing scheme didn't matter that much. Viewers just didn't find those guys interesting. I suspect the best player this decade, Jokic, is the same. In the alternative sometimes the most charismatic players aren't really elite, ala Iverson or stuck on awful teams.

But the NBA can make it easier for dynasties to form and it should. The sports shouldn't lean all in on it but it would be way better if NBA teams didn't have to break up teams due to the second apron. NBA ratings go up with repeat champions. NBA fans do not want parity. The penalties are too stark and the CBA needs to be revised.
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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#17 » by MrBigShot » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:55 pm

With this current CBA, fans of all teams can have hope that their team can compete for a championship. This has been one of the most enjoyable playoffs in a while.

The NBA needs to make it so that the first supermax on a roster, for a player drafted or acquired in their first 2 seasons, only counts as a regular max, to make it easier to keep a home developed core together.

Aside from that, the NBA is really missing a guy who can step up and become the "face" of the name the way Kobe was, and the way LeBron/Steph have been. They tried to make Ant that guy last year but he's not quite there yet.
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Post#18 » by RRyder823 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 12:01 am

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RRyder823 wrote:
The problem is how the NBA has chosen to market itself

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The idea the NBA could have the same success as the NFL if it just marketed itself better is nuts.

The NFL is far more popular than any other sports league because they sell football not because they have a hard cap. If the NFL had the exact same salary structure, marketing scheme and schedule but sold soccer or baseball or basketball it would collapse in popularity. The proof that the hard cap and parity have little to do with the NFL's success is the popularity college football which is the second most popular sport in America.

College football has no parity. The top programs get all the best prospects and the sport is dominated by a handful of schools. In the last seventeen years, Alabama has won six national championships and played in the title game 9 times. Despite that lack of parity, college football is way more popular than the NBA.

The OP is right the NBA does way better with dynasties rather than new champions and it reaches its peak success marketed around superstar players. The NBA is limited in what it can do about the latter. Sometimes the best player in the NBA is a great player who isn't marketable as was the case with Kareem and Duncan. The marketing scheme didn't matter that much. Viewers just didn't find those guys interesting. I suspect the best player this decade, Jokic, is the same. In the alternative sometimes the most charismatic players aren't really elite, ala Iverson or stuck on awful teams.

But the NBA can make it easier for dynasties to form and it should. The sports shouldn't lean all in on it but it would be way better if NBA teams didn't have to break up teams due to the second apron. NBA ratings go up with repeat champions. NBA fans do not want parity. The penalties are too stark and the CBA needs to be revised.
This is a long post to point out that the limiting factor is how the NBA markets itself.

I know that wasn't you intent but you did it anyways. Grats

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Post#19 » by Chuck Everett » Mon Jun 9, 2025 12:06 am

The second apron has only been in effect for two seasons. We've had five new champions in a row even before it came into effect (so why are you blaming the CBA for parity?). Market the new players and stop focusing on the fogies. OKC should have been playing on Christmas Day and had more National TV games during the season. Same with the Pacers. Why does Orlando get no national TV games? If the Lakers are as popular as people believe, you don't need to give them more national games. People will get League Pass just to see them.
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Post#20 » by sp6r=underrated » Mon Jun 9, 2025 12:07 am

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