2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[RoteSchroder]

Ochai and Dick for #16 and Goga Bitadze

PG IQ - Shead - JaKobe
SG Barrett - JaKobe - #39
SF Ingram - Battle - Bryant
PF Scottie - Mogbo - Fleming
C Poeltl - Bitadze - Chomche

no thanks. not awful but too much for a backup center and a gamble pick.

Definitely awful / 16 doesn't replace GD, maybe noteven Ochai / and gigs is a bench big that we should be able to find with 9 or in FA

As is, Dick is unplayable on a contending team. He’s got work to do on both ends of the court.

That makes Goga or #16 > Gradey at the moment

Ochai is a mid-level 3 + D player. Defense is not as good as the top defenders. Shooting is not that dynamic, basically just a solid spot up shooter. He’s around equal to Goga.

There will likely be a few prospects available at 16 that will surpass both GD and Ochai.

[DreamTeam09]

no thanks. not awful but too much for a backup center and a gamble pick.

Definitely awful / 16 doesn't replace GD, maybe noteven Ochai / and gigs is a bench big that we should be able to find with 9 or in FA

As is, Dick is unplayable on a contending team. He’s got work to do on both ends of the court.

That makes Goga or #16 > Gradey at the moment

Ochai is a mid-level 3 + D player. Defense is not as good as the top defenders. Shooting is not that dynamic, basically just a solid spot up shooter. He’s around equal to Goga.

There will likely be a few prospects available at 16 that will surpass both GD and Ochai.

That is simply not true. Right now today, trading 16 for GD would be a dumb move.

Sure any draft will have some late pick or 2nd rounder explode, or not actually, but GD & Ochai are good prospects to continue to invest in & 16 & goga would be horrible return on investments for a multitude of reasons.
We'll agree to disagree

[Pericles]

Darius Garland would be a great get for us.
RJ, Dick, and 9?

[djsunyc]

Darius Garland would be a great get for us.
RJ, Dick, and 9?

overpay and 2 pg backcourt? im not a fan of this iteration. kyle and fred could defend. garland and iq would be weak there.

[Merit]

Now this is a good deal I'd like to make.

No way Houston does that unless they get Giannis without giving up Smith Jr. There also is a net increase of almost $5m in salary for Toronto by swapping the two players, so a big tax consideration, and the Raptors would have to negotiate an extension with Smith Jr this summer or risk losing him as an RFA next summer. Is there a possible Dick-Smith Jr trade, it makes positional sense for the Raptors, not sure about Houston, although acquiring Giannis in a deal that includes Jalen Green going to MIL might increase their interest in Dick and reduce their incentive to keep Smith Jr

Smith looks to be on the way out in Houston one way or the other. I agree with you this trade might not be high on their list, but I could see how it makes sense

Count me in on this one. However, it’s because we get more ammunition for a trade with Milwaukee and have the option to keep Scottie.

[Merit]

I think Toronto is going to trade Grady Dick to Utah. Theres alot of ways this trade could work. We could trade up from 9 to 5. We could trade for Walker Kessler who is on the last year of his contract. They also have picks number 21, 43 and 53 and plenty of picks in 2027 and 2028 to add to the deal. Grady Dick probably becomes a star on that Utah team and probably wont have that oppurtunity here in Toronto.

I don't think Dick is enough to take you from #9 to #5 in this draft and even if it could, I'm not sure I'd want to make that move. Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe and Bailey will all be gone by then, which means we'll end up with Johnson at best and I'm not sure how I feel about him. He's a decent player with a reasonably high ceiling but we could say the same about guys we could grab later in the draft.

Not sure what happened with Kessler and why people are assuming he's available but if he can be had for Dick, it's absolutely a move a would make. We're pretty logjamed in the wings anyway and desperately need a quality big that can eventually replace Poeltl.

If we get Kessler for Dick (all) then we absolutely should do it.

[DreamTeam09]

Grayson Allen + Royce O'Neal to ATL
RJ + Jakob + Vit krijec + Terrance Mann + 2027 raps 1st + Raps 2031 2nd + ATL 2nd - To PHX
KD - Tor

Pray for Maluach at 9 or use 9 to trade down for Sorber

[mademan]

I think Toronto is going to trade Grady Dick to Utah. Theres alot of ways this trade could work. We could trade up from 9 to 5. We could trade for Walker Kessler who is on the last year of his contract. They also have picks number 21, 43 and 53 and plenty of picks in 2027 and 2028 to add to the deal. Grady Dick probably becomes a star on that Utah team and probably wont have that oppurtunity here in Toronto.

I don't think Dick is enough to take you from #9 to #5 in this draft and even if it could, I'm not sure I'd want to make that move. Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe and Bailey will all be gone by then, which means we'll end up with Johnson at best and I'm not sure how I feel about him. He's a decent player with a reasonably high ceiling but we could say the same about guys we could grab later in the draft.

Not sure what happened with Kessler and why people are assuming he's available but if he can be had for Dick, it's absolutely a move a would make. We're pretty logjamed in the wings anyway and desperately need a quality big that can eventually replace Poeltl.

If we get Kessler for Dick (all) then we absolutely should do it.

even if Utah doesnt want Kessler, he has far more league wide value than Dick. They'd never make that swap

[bballsparkin]

Grayson Allen + Royce O'Neal to ATL
RJ + Jakob + Vit krijec + Terrance Mann + 2027 raps 1st + Raps 2031 2nd + ATL 2nd - To PHX
KD - Tor

Pray for Maluach at 9 or use 9 to trade down for Sorber

Nice effort but nah. Make a trade for a soon to be 37 year old and then hope a Center in the draft falls to #9? That's a serious plan? Be patient. Keep building unless an obvious gimme is there.

edit: an immediate follow up plan for a Center would be needed as the value is okay otherwise. Preferably before.

[OhCanada]

I don't think Dick is enough to take you from #9 to #5 in this draft and even if it could, I'm not sure I'd want to make that move. Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe and Bailey will all be gone by then, which means we'll end up with Johnson at best and I'm not sure how I feel about him. He's a decent player with a reasonably high ceiling but we could say the same about guys we could grab later in the draft.

Not sure what happened with Kessler and why people are assuming he's available but if he can be had for Dick, it's absolutely a move a would make. We're pretty logjamed in the wings anyway and desperately need a quality big that can eventually replace Poeltl.

If we get Kessler for Dick (all) then we absolutely should do it.

even if Utah doesnt want Kessler, he has far more league wide value than Dick. They'd never make that swap

Kessler doesnt have more value than Dick. Hes a liability free throw shooter and on the last year of his contract.

[mademan]

If we get Kessler for Dick (all) then we absolutely should do it.

even if Utah doesnt want Kessler, he has far more league wide value than Dick. They'd never make that swap

Kessler doesnt have more value than Dick. Hes a liability free throw shooter and on the last year of his contract.

every team is looking for a serviceable C. Few teams are looking for a 1 way wing. Kessler easily has more value

[bballsparkin]

Kessler doesnt have more value than Dick. Hes a liability free throw shooter and on the last year of his contract.

every team is looking for a serviceable C. Few teams are looking for a 1 way wing. Kessler easily has more value

Will Kessler be worth his next contract though is what I wonder. Serious question as I'm not a cap guy. He's gonna want top dollar like they all do.

[mademan]

Kessler doesnt have more value than Dick. Hes a liability free throw shooter and on the last year of his contract.

every team is looking for a serviceable C. Few teams are looking for a 1 way wing. Kessler easily has more value

Will Kessler be worth his next contract though is what I wonder. Serious question as I'm not a cap guy. He's gonna want top dollar like they all do.

Depends on how he develops. If he goes the way of Zubac, he will, but who knows. He might just stay a 25min situational C, which is still fairly valuable even though he might be overpaid. If he was making 20mill today, a team like the Lakers would still give a 1st for him

[bballsparkin]

Depends on how he develops. If he goes the way of Zubac, he will, but who knows. He might just stay a 25min situational C, which is still fairly valuable even though he might be overpaid. If he was making 20mill today, a team like the Lakers would still give a 1st for him

Zubac is a steal though. I was thinking bigger money than that. But maybe I'm off.

[OhCanada]

every team is looking for a serviceable C. Few teams are looking for a 1 way wing. Kessler easily has more value

Will Kessler be worth his next contract though is what I wonder. Serious question as I'm not a cap guy. He's gonna want top dollar like they all do.

Depends on how he develops. If he goes the way of Zubac, he will, but who knows. He might just stay a 25min situational C, which is still fairly valuable even though he might be overpaid. If he was making 20mill today, a team like the Lakers would still give a 1st for him

But hes not Zubac. Zubac is a career 72% ft shooter whos played 52 playoff games and Kessler is a career 54% FT shooter whos played 0 playoff games. Its a different game when your Center can or cannot shoot free throws and that gets exposed in the playoffs. Thats why Ainge haqs tried to trade Kessler but nobody is biting.

[mademan]

Will Kessler be worth his next contract though is what I wonder. Serious question as I'm not a cap guy. He's gonna want top dollar like they all do.

Depends on how he develops. If he goes the way of Zubac, he will, but who knows. He might just stay a 25min situational C, which is still fairly valuable even though he might be overpaid. If he was making 20mill today, a team like the Lakers would still give a 1st for him

But hes not Zubac. Zubac is a career 72% ft shooter whos played 52 playoff games and Kessler is a career 54% FT shooter whos played 0 playoff games. Its a different game when your Center can or cannot shoot free throws and that gets exposed in the playoffs. Thats why Ainge haqs tried to trade Kessler but nobody is biting.

He rebounds the ball, and he defends the rim. He has real skills that teams value, even if he isnt a 35 min guy. Dick is a shooting specialist who's not really special in his skill while not being able to defend....who wants that?

[Psubs]

every team is looking for a serviceable C. Few teams are looking for a 1 way wing. Kessler easily has more value

Will Kessler be worth his next contract though is what I wonder. Serious question as I'm not a cap guy. He's gonna want top dollar like they all do.

Depends on how he develops. If he goes the way of Zubac, he will, but who knows. He might just stay a 25min situational C, which is still fairly valuable even though he might be overpaid. If he was making 20mill today, a team like the Lakers would still give a 1st for him

lol Lakers hit on Zubac and salary dumped him and Caruso. They had all the pieces.

[OhCanada]

Depends on how he develops. If he goes the way of Zubac, he will, but who knows. He might just stay a 25min situational C, which is still fairly valuable even though he might be overpaid. If he was making 20mill today, a team like the Lakers would still give a 1st for him

But hes not Zubac. Zubac is a career 72% ft shooter whos played 52 playoff games and Kessler is a career 54% FT shooter whos played 0 playoff games. Its a different game when your Center can or cannot shoot free throws and that gets exposed in the playoffs. Thats why Ainge haqs tried to trade Kessler but nobody is biting.

He rebounds the ball, and he defends the rim. He has real skills that teams value, even if he isnt a 35 min guy. Dick is a shooting specialist who's not really special in his skill while not being able to defend....who wants that?

Your undervaluing Grady Dick. Maybe your expectations for him have not been met, but try not to look past his strengths. Shooting is the most valuable skill in the NBA and for a 21 year old 6'7 player that averaged 2 threes made per game and 15 points per game his defense is not so bad.

[mademan]

But hes not Zubac. Zubac is a career 72% ft shooter whos played 52 playoff games and Kessler is a career 54% FT shooter whos played 0 playoff games. Its a different game when your Center can or cannot shoot free throws and that gets exposed in the playoffs. Thats why Ainge haqs tried to trade Kessler but nobody is biting.

He rebounds the ball, and he defends the rim. He has real skills that teams value, even if he isnt a 35 min guy. Dick is a shooting specialist who's not really special in his skill while not being able to defend....who wants that?

Your undervaluing Grady Dick. Maybe your expectations for him have not been met, but try not to look past his strengths. Shooting is the most valuable skill in the NBA and for a 21 year old 6'7 player that averaged 2 threes made per game and 15 points per game his defense is not so bad.

All i said was he's not a special shooter. And he's not good enough at anything else to be a not special shooter. Im not undervaluing him..youre overvaluing him based on his draft slot

[CazOnReal]

He rebounds the ball, and he defends the rim. He has real skills that teams value, even if he isnt a 35 min guy. Dick is a shooting specialist who's not really special in his skill while not being able to defend....who wants that?

Your undervaluing Grady Dick. Maybe your expectations for him have not been met, but try not to look past his strengths. Shooting is the most valuable skill in the NBA and for a 21 year old 6'7 player that averaged 2 threes made per game and 15 points per game his defense is not so bad.

All i said was he's not a special shooter. And he's not good enough at anything else to be a not special shooter. Im not undervaluing him..youre overvaluing him based on his draft slot

No you're just objectively wrong

And that's okay