The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[sunsbg]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280692/Suns-Coach-Candidates-Were-Asked-How-They-Would-Utilize-Bradley-Beal

So Brad is staying. To get hired Ott probably came up with a great plan on how to utilize two SGs with the same skill set.

[BobbieL]

Marc Stein:

Hence, why Booker wants to stay in Phoenix when the media, bloggers, podcasters push that as a reason to not trade - "he wants to be here so we can't trade DBook!!." He is getting 320m for five years. That is why he wants to STAY in Phoenix.

So, if this is what they plan on doing - create a similar team that he was most successful around. Hence, why the Knicks trade has appeal to me, though I know the injury history of Robinson and OG -- but I think in Robinson, OG, Dunn with Booker - -that might be the best way to recreate the team around Booker. Plus its not like OG and Robinson are old - they are slightly younger than Booker so on the same time line.

Actually trying to talk myself into the Knicks trade because if you are keeping Booker - try to maximize his prime years and that would be with players getting into their prime years. Now if Houston offers the Suns Jabari, filler and a couple of the Suns picks - that is still my first choice.

I kinda agree here. This is probably the best deal for a win now, no picks situation. It would give us a PG and a lot of defence. I could live with this deal.

The SAS trade - the hypothetical one is Vassell (duplicative), Barnes, just an expiring and maybe the 14th and a future pick. So maybe you turn Vassell into another piece.. but its rebuilding
Houston for sure is rebuilding

If the Suns want to win now -- and maybe you can get the Knicks to include Kolek just to have another PG option -- I would be okay with it. Like the Knicks makes more sense than Twolves of Randle or McDaniel, Dilly and a 2031 pick

[Revived]

This is not good

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1l5q485/zach_harper_there_have_been_whispers_and_rumors/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_content=post_title

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Ishbia always sounded like a con man to me. It would not surprise me one bit.

How fcking hilarious would it be if the Suns ended up trading away picks they get from a KD trade…just to dump Beal on some other team to save $$?

Trading picks to save $$ on a big overpaid contract….im sure that sounds a little familiar to some of yall!

[SkyBill40]

Saw something this morning about Ishbia not having nearly as much liquid capital as was thought, so he could be realistically out of money. He's going to have little choice but to slash payroll as he simply cannot afford another season above the second apron.

Expect big changes. But signing Booker to a hugely expensive extension when he has three years left on his existing deal doesn't make any sense.

Believe what you will. I'm not quite sold on it but wouldn't be too surprised.

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/phoenix-suns/phoenix-suns-reportedly-run-out-of-money/


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[schnakenpopanz]

Finally Suns are Champions in something

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[Puff]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280692/Suns-Coach-Candidates-Were-Asked-How-They-Would-Utilize-Bradley-Beal

So Brad is staying. To get hired Ott probably came up with a great plan on how to utilize two SGs with the same skill set.

To be honest, if I were doing the interviewing, that would have been one of my questions.

I also would have asked them if KD should go or stay.

I would have also asked what was the biggest issue that our team had. What part or our team did your team plan to take advantage of when you played us.

Now, how do you plan on making us better and watchable.

[TeamTragic]

Finally Suns are Champions in something

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Both teams were in the same Finals. How ironic.

[BobbieL]

This is not good

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1l5q485/zach_harper_there_have_been_whispers_and_rumors/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_content=post_title

Watch on YouTube

Ishbia always sounded like a con man to me. It would not surprise me one bit.

How fcking hilarious would it be if the Suns ended up trading away picks they get from a KD trade…just to dump Beal on some other team to save $$?

Trading picks to save $$ on a big overpaid contract….im sure that sounds a little familiar to some of yall!

I 100% expect him to do a couple things with the Durant trade
1) Durant is like $53m going out so he would take back like $46 to save that money

2) take a pick from the Durant trade combined with like the Suns 2027 FRP and add that to Beal to get rid of Beals long term trade
-- and in the Beal trade - they will get a player on an expiring, they will buy out to save more money

But also, Ishbia will sign Booker to an extension

My guess, he won't do the Knicks trade -- too much cash coming in. He is going to try to save money on the deal

[Djedefre]

He already proved he's incompetent. If he's also insolvent, he should sell and fu** off to his Michigan hole he crawled out of.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

[Fo-Real]

I know the people here are anti D'Angelo Russell, mostly because of his defense. Just wanted to remind people that Tyus Jones was an absolute NOTHING as a defender. It was like he wasn't even standing in front of someone as a defender.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Ishbia always sounded like a con man to me. It would not surprise me one bit.

How fcking hilarious would it be if the Suns ended up trading away picks they get from a KD trade…just to dump Beal on some other team to save $$?

Trading picks to save $$ on a big overpaid contract….im sure that sounds a little familiar to some of yall!

I 100% expect him to do a couple things with the Durant trade
1) Durant is like $53m going out so he would take back like $46 to save that money

2) take a pick from the Durant trade combined with like the Suns 2027 FRP and add that to Beal to get rid of Beals long term trade
-- and in the Beal trade - they will get a player on an expiring, they will buy out to save more money

But also, Ishbia will sign Booker to an extension

My guess, he won't do the Knicks trade -- too much cash coming in. He is going to try to save money on the deal

I'd hate it if he was dumb enough to attach any picks to Beal to move him rather than just letting him expire! BUT I suppose if it would happen, the only 3 trades I would could stomache him attaching picks to would be:

1- Chicago.
Beal/ picks to Chicago for Ball/ Vucevic/ Huerter? (IF P Williams instead of Huerter, I'd do it)But then we get the POR 26' 1st back and the 45th pick in this coming draft. AND I'd immediately follow this trade up with an Allen/ Richards/ CLE 29' 1st for Isaac/ Bidatze/ 25th pick back.

2- Orlando.
Beal/ picks for Isaac/ Bidatze/ KCP/ Harris/ 25th pick.

3- Charlotte.
Beal/ picks for Nurkic expiring/ G Williams/ Josh Green/ 33rd and 34th pick/ 26' 2nd via DEN or GS.

Although I fully expect he won't agree to get traded anywhere else other than Orlando out of the three.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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KARMA!!!

[bwgood77]

Anything new in the last 10 pages? Seems like I checked yesterday and saw 10 new pages today. Though when I do go through them it seems like the same discussions we've had for months.

I know we have the new coach hire not many seem to like and Ishbia is FINALLY going to get more involved in what goes on (THANK GOD!), but anything else new?


btw, I was joking about my opinion of Ishbia...obviously it you didn't pick it up.

[Puff]

Why did we fire Monty Williams again? He has the 3rd best winning percentage in franchise history. For that matter why did Kerr try to force Thibodeau on my favorite coach Mike D'Antonni. Westphal has the best record in history. what happened to him.

Found this in the Arizona Republic. Coach, Years coached and win loss record. I added in the winning percentage

Where will Ott place on this list?

How many years does he get?

Mike Budenholzer 2024-2025 36-46 0.439
Frank Vogel 2023-2024 49-33 0.597
Monty Williams 2019-2023 194-115 0.627
Igor Kokoskov 2018-2019 19-63 0.232
Jay Triano 2017-2018 21-58 0.266
Earl Watson 2016-2017 33-85 0.28
Jeff Honacek 2013-2016 101-112 0.478
Lindsey Hunter 2013 12-29 0.293
Alvin Gentry 2009-2013 158-144 0.523
Terry Porter 2008-2009 28-23 0.549
Mike D'Antoni 2003-2009 253-136 0.65
Frank Johnson 2002-2003 63-71 0.47
Scott Skiles 1999-2002 116-79 0.595
Danny Ainge 1996-1999 136-90 0.601
Paul Westphal 1992-1996 191-88 0.684
John Wetzel 1987-1988 28-54 0.341
Dick Van Arsdale 1987 14-12 0.538
John MacLeod 1973-1987 579-543 0.516
Butch Van Breda Koff 1973 3-4 0.429
C Fitzsimmons Various 341-208 0.621
Jerry Colangelo 1970,72-73 59-60 0.496
Johnny Kerr 1968-1969 31-89 0.258

[Frank Lee]

I know the people here are anti D'Angelo Russell, mostly because of his defense. Just wanted to remind people that Tyus Jones was an absolute NOTHING as a defender. It was like he wasn't even standing in front of someone as a defender.

Hehe
No one wants to even mention his name, yet barring some yet unseen trade, DLo is the leading candidate for our PG next yr.

[bwgood77]

Why did we fire Monty Williams again? He has the 3rd best winning percentage in franchise history. For that matter why did Kerr try to force Thibodeau on my favorite coach Mike D'Antonni. Westphal has the best record in history. what happened to him.

Found this in the Arizona Republic. Coach, Years coached and win loss record. I added in the winning percentage

Where will Ott place on this list?

How many years does he get?

Mike Budenholzer 2024-2025 36-46 0.439
Frank Vogel 2023-2024 49-33 0.597
Monty Williams 2019-2023 194-115 0.627
Igor Kokoskov 2018-2019 19-63 0.232
Jay Triano 2017-2018 21-58 0.266
Earl Watson 2016-2017 33-85 0.28
Jeff Honacek 2013-2016 101-112 0.478
Lindsey Hunter 2013 12-29 0.293
Alvin Gentry 2009-2013 158-144 0.523
Terry Porter 2008-2009 28-23 0.549
Mike D'Antoni 2003-2009 253-136 0.65
Frank Johnson 2002-2003 63-71 0.47
Scott Skiles 1999-2002 116-79 0.595
Danny Ainge 1996-1999 136-90 0.601
Paul Westphal 1992-1996 191-88 0.684
John Wetzel 1987-1988 28-54 0.341
Dick Van Arsdale 1987 14-12 0.538
John MacLeod 1973-1987 579-543 0.516
Butch Van Breda Koff 1973 3-4 0.429
C Fitzsimmons Various 341-208 0.621
Jerry Colangelo 1970,72-73 59-60 0.496
Johnny Kerr 1968-1969 31-89 0.258

You know what I think has a lot to do with those winning %s? The players they have. I think Fitzsimmons was our best coach. He had no Barkley, Nash, CP3, Book, etc.

He did have a 2nd year KJ (and his next few years...basically like a rookie contract), Chambers and a lot of good players like Hornacek and Majerle, and they played so great as a team. They didn't really have any big time past all stars on that team when he took it over. Chambers had made one all star team. They get to the WCF in his first two years with a 2nd and 3rd year PG. Knock out the defending champion Lakers and MVP Magic in 5 in the semis in his second year.

[SkyBill40]

How fcking hilarious would it be if the Suns ended up trading away picks they get from a KD trade…just to dump Beal on some other team to save $$?

Trading picks to save $$ on a big overpaid contract….im sure that sounds a little familiar to some of yall!

I 100% expect him to do a couple things with the Durant trade
1) Durant is like $53m going out so he would take back like $46 to save that money

2) take a pick from the Durant trade combined with like the Suns 2027 FRP and add that to Beal to get rid of Beals long term trade
-- and in the Beal trade - they will get a player on an expiring, they will buy out to save more money

But also, Ishbia will sign Booker to an extension

My guess, he won't do the Knicks trade -- too much cash coming in. He is going to try to save money on the deal

I'd hate it if he was dumb enough to attach any picks to Beal to move him rather than just letting him expire! BUT I suppose if it would happen, the only 3 trades I would could stomache him attaching picks to would be:

1- Chicago.
Beal/ picks to Chicago for Ball/ Vucevic/ Huerter? (IF P Williams instead of Huerter, I'd do it)But then we get the POR 26' 1st back and the 45th pick in this coming draft. AND I'd immediately follow this trade up with an Allen/ Richards/ CLE 29' 1st for Isaac/ Bidatze/ 25th pick back.

2- Orlando.
Beal/ picks for Isaac/ Bidatze/ KCP/ Harris/ 25th pick.

3- Charlotte.
Beal/ picks for Nurkic expiring/ G Williams/ Josh Green/ 33rd and 34th pick/ 26' 2nd via DEN or GS.

Although I fully expect he won't agree to get traded anywhere else other than Orlando out of the three.

Sorry, man. But Nurkic is a non starter kn discussion, even if it was to offload Beal.

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[Puff]

Why did we fire Monty Williams again? He has the 3rd best winning percentage in franchise history. For that matter why did Kerr try to force Thibodeau on my favorite coach Mike D'Antonni. Westphal has the best record in history. what happened to him.

Found this in the Arizona Republic. Coach, Years coached and win loss record. I added in the winning percentage

Where will Ott place on this list?

How many years does he get?

Mike Budenholzer 2024-2025 36-46 0.439
Frank Vogel 2023-2024 49-33 0.597
Monty Williams 2019-2023 194-115 0.627
Igor Kokoskov 2018-2019 19-63 0.232
Jay Triano 2017-2018 21-58 0.266
Earl Watson 2016-2017 33-85 0.28
Jeff Honacek 2013-2016 101-112 0.478
Lindsey Hunter 2013 12-29 0.293
Alvin Gentry 2009-2013 158-144 0.523
Terry Porter 2008-2009 28-23 0.549
Mike D'Antoni 2003-2009 253-136 0.65
Frank Johnson 2002-2003 63-71 0.47
Scott Skiles 1999-2002 116-79 0.595
Danny Ainge 1996-1999 136-90 0.601
Paul Westphal 1992-1996 191-88 0.684
John Wetzel 1987-1988 28-54 0.341
Dick Van Arsdale 1987 14-12 0.538
John MacLeod 1973-1987 579-543 0.516
Butch Van Breda Koff 1973 3-4 0.429
C Fitzsimmons Various 341-208 0.621
Jerry Colangelo 1970,72-73 59-60 0.496
Johnny Kerr 1968-1969 31-89 0.258

You know what I think has a lot to do with those winning %s? The players they have. I think Fitzsimmons was our best coach. He had no Barkley, Nash, CP3, Book, etc.

He did have a 2nd year KJ (and his next few years...basically like a rookie contract), Chambers and a lot of good players like Hornacek and Majerle, and they played so great as a team. They didn't really have any big time past all stars on that team when he took it over. Chambers had made one all star team. They get to the WCF in his first two years with a 2nd and 3rd year PG. Knock out the defending champion Lakers and MVP Magic in 5 in the semis in his second year.

I doubt that there is any coach in history that did not win a championship due to having great players and rosters. The possibly greatest coach in history had either Michael and Scottie or Kobie and Shaq. He won without a big three. Red Aurbach always had the best roster in the league. You have to give it up to Popovich and the Spurs. They won when Pop had the best roster but hung on to him in the good and bad times.

[garrick]

Ishbia always sounded like a con man to me. It would not surprise me one bit.

How fcking hilarious would it be if the Suns ended up trading away picks they get from a KD trade…just to dump Beal on some other team to save $$?

Trading picks to save $$ on a big overpaid contract….im sure that sounds a little familiar to some of yall!

I 100% expect him to do a couple things with the Durant trade
1) Durant is like $53m going out so he would take back like $46 to save that money

2) take a pick from the Durant trade combined with like the Suns 2027 FRP and add that to Beal to get rid of Beals long term trade
-- and in the Beal trade - they will get a player on an expiring, they will buy out to save more money

But also, Ishbia will sign Booker to an extension

My guess, he won't do the Knicks trade -- too much cash coming in. He is going to try to save money on the deal

My theory is he needs Book to sell tickets and he knows that no star is going to sign here in the immediate future so he would rather overpay to keep Book here for marketing purposes.

Ishbia is going to be paying 421 million after factoring in a staggering 198 million in luxury tax bills and this is an expense that a business can't afford to spend on a franchise that hasn't been one of the highest earners in the league.

After the 2021 championship run revenue for the Suns have been at an all time high but with the team's struggles recently I think even Ishbia realizes that with a crappy product on the floor that revenue likely will dip the worse the team performs and he needs to slash salary and he simply cannot keep losing hundreds of millions of dollars on the luxury tax.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/196764/revenue-of-the-phoenix-suns-since-2006/