What would you give for Garland ?

[facothomas22]

To me if the Raptors have a separate deal to send Quickley to Minnesota for either Gobert or Naz Reid Snt


To Cleveland
RJ Barrett
Ochai Abaji
#13

To Toronto
Darius Garland
#22


To Atlanta
#9



Garland/Dick/Ingram/Barnes/Reid could really unlock Barnes. 3 recent all stars that fit is a receipt for a great team

The Cavaliers laugh and hang up the phone. They can ether get far better players or much more draft compensation elsewhere.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Lebron

[shi-woo]

Raptors would probably give a pretty decent deal around one of RJ / Quickley, the 9th pick, a young prospect like Gradey/Obagi/Walter and if need be a future 1st.

To me, I think those assets are good enough for Cleveland, especially if they go for a Gradey Dick + Quickley + 9th combo.

I think that's a lot though.

Is this really how people view Garlands value? I think that is a ridiculous amount, given how little he has proven in the playoffs, and how much he gets bullied on defense, being one of the smaller players in the league.

He's a great player, was almost 50/40/90 shooting this year and can run an okay offense, but i'm not sure if the Mike Conley of his era so far is worth a 20/5/5 wing on a solid deal, a Top 10 pick in a draft everyone tells me is the greatest of all time (i'm joking, but not really though), and another young prospect.

I think getting 2 of those things is more of Garlands value, and even then, they are most likely throwing something else in because the 9 pick isn't just some throw away pick, and could potentially be more valuable than Garland to half the teams in the league depending who's there on draft night.

If HOU strikes out, I like them better as trading partners, as they can actually offer a similar package, but not have to worry about it as much as TOR, and won't feel the over pay.

Reed, Brooks, and #10 for Garland and Tyson/CPJ seems like a better trade, and better fit for both teams. Even then, I don't think you would need to throw in a player like Reed to get that done. Brooks might even hold more value than RJ given his defense and shooting from distance/the stripe.

Another team to look out for would be POR. A weird trade that works on the ESPN trade Machine that wouldn't surprise me:

CLE- Isaac Scoot #11

ORL- Simons

Por- Garland #16

That imo is the appropriate value for all parties involved, especially when you take into account the salary implications of that trade with both CLE and ORL saving some cash. ORL would then use their 2nd FRP to clear salary. POR gets the pick swap with ORL because they are sending out the most overall value, and it allows them to keep drafting talent. They are ready to fight for the playoffs with Garland in tow. CLE gets more depth, size, and adds to their already formidable defense with the ability to draft a shooter in the lottery ready to play like Knuepple. Issac's decreasing salary is also nice, and Scoot could easily breakout, given the game slowed down a lot for him last year, and his shot improved.

Luckily for CLE though, this will be a wild offseason with a lot of moving parts, and they should expect an over pay in that environment.

[Sixers in 4]

To the 76ers, he's worth nothing. To other teams, it depends what they would be looking for. A team like the Timberwolves,Rockets,or the Magic can really benefit from someone like him.

The fit is extremely poor everything Garland does Maxey already does better. They'd essentially duplicate roles.

The thing people don't talk about is Garland isn't an alpha and he's a guy you sort of need to have the right roster for these guys don't go for a whole lot.

I don't think his value is great to be honest. Melo seems like a pipe dream. It's going to be hard to find a team with an impactful guy who is willing to trade him for Garland and has a big guard already on the roster.

Actually OKC makes some sense they have some 3D guys who are expensive fit what CLE needs they also have SGA who as a bigger guy is fine next to Garland.

These takes are soo poor. "...everything Garland does Maxey already does better..." "...Garland isn't an alphas and he's a guy you sort of need to have the right roster for these guys don't go for a whole lot...". I mean, come on. Garland is a better shooter and distributor than Maxey, and what the hell does not being an alpha have to do with being a system player? The fact that Garland can run your offense, and play off ball, makes him pretty flexible...

He is a better distributor nothing else really and Maxey has had some big moments in the playoffs while all Garland does is disappear. The Sixers have enough players who disappear in the playoffs.

[JujitsuFlip]

Raptors would probably give a pretty decent deal around one of RJ / Quickley, the 9th pick, a young prospect like Gradey/Obagi/Walter and if need be a future 1st.

To me, I think those assets are good enough for Cleveland, especially if they go for a Gradey Dick + Quickley + 9th combo.

I think that's a lot though.

Is this really how people view Garlands value? I think that is a ridiculous amount, given how little he has proven in the playoffs, and how much he gets bullied on defense, being one of the smaller players in the league.

He's a great player, was almost 50/40/90 shooting this year and can run an okay offense, but i'm not sure if the Mike Conley of his era so far is worth a 20/5/5 wing on a solid deal, a Top 10 pick in a draft everyone tells me is the greatest of all time (i'm joking, but not really though), and another young prospect.

I think getting 2 of those things is more of Garlands value, and even then, they are most likely throwing something else in because the 9 pick isn't just some throw away pick, and could potentially be more valuable than Garland to half the teams in the league depending who's there on draft night.

If HOU strikes out, I like them better as trading partners, as they can actually offer a similar package, but not have to worry about it as much as TOR, and won't feel the over pay.

Reed, Brooks, and #10 for Garland and Tyson/CPJ seems like a better trade, and better fit for both teams. Even then, I don't think you would need to throw in a player like Reed to get that done. Brooks might even hold more value than RJ given his defense and shooting from distance/the stripe.

Another team to look out for would be POR. A weird trade that works on the ESPN trade Machine that wouldn't surprise me:

CLE- Isaac Scoot #11

ORL- Simons

Por- Garland #16

That imo is the appropriate value for all parties involved, especially when you take into account the salary implications of that trade with both CLE and ORL saving some cash. ORL would then use their 2nd FRP to clear salary. POR gets the pick swap with ORL because they are sending out the most overall value, and it allows them to keep drafting talent. They are ready to fight for the playoffs with Garland in tow. CLE gets more depth, size, and adds to their already formidable defense with the ability to draft a shooter in the lottery ready to play like Knuepple. Issac's decreasing salary is also nice, and Scoot could easily breakout, given the game slowed down a lot for him last year, and his shot improved.

Luckily for CLE though, this will be a wild offseason with a lot of moving parts, and they should expect an over pay in that environment.

Wow you truly have never watched Garland play a single time have you? lol

You are calling underpays, overpays. Mind blowing.

A 2 time All-Star can bring back much better than the bust of Scoot, injury riddled Jonathan Isaac, and a rookie lmao

[JimmyPlopper]

How far off is this from Dallas (I'm a Philly fan, but I think this deal would work better since we have Maxey and McCain already):

Cleveland trades: Darius Garland
Dallas trades: Max Christie, Klay Thompson, Naji Marshall + some draft comp as needed

[mcfly1204]

How far off is this from Dallas (I'm a Philly fan, but I think this deal would work better since we have Maxey and McCain already):

Cleveland trades: Darius Garland
Dallas trades: Max Christie, Klay Thompson, Naji Marshall + some draft comp as needed

Miles, and miles... How does it help Cleveland to better contend trading their starting PG for bench pieces?

[JimmyPlopper]

How far off is this from Dallas (I'm a Philly fan, but I think this deal would work better since we have Maxey and McCain already):

Cleveland trades: Darius Garland
Dallas trades: Max Christie, Klay Thompson, Naji Marshall + some draft comp as needed

Miles, and miles... How does it help Cleveland to better contend trading their starting PG for bench pieces?

I was surprised to hear they were shopping him in the first place. So what are they looking for? If they're just "open to an obvious upgrade" then that's not really shopping the guy.

[mcfly1204]

How far off is this from Dallas (I'm a Philly fan, but I think this deal would work better since we have Maxey and McCain already):

Cleveland trades: Darius Garland
Dallas trades: Max Christie, Klay Thompson, Naji Marshall + some draft comp as needed

Miles, and miles... How does it help Cleveland to better contend trading their starting PG for bench pieces?

I was surprised to hear they were shopping him in the first place. So what are they looking for? If they're just "open to an obvious upgrade" then that's not really shopping the guy.

They're not shopping Garland. There's a difference between listening to offers and shopping a player, and I think the former is a loose take as is. A Garland return would be looking for a player who can create, as Mitchell would essentially be their only ballhandler, as well as one who would be less susceptible to targeting on the defensive end. I don't think Cleveland would be expecting a perfect player in return, but they would need to have a flaw that Cleveland can live with, e.g. average shooter from deep.

[Sixers in 4]

Raptors would probably give a pretty decent deal around one of RJ / Quickley, the 9th pick, a young prospect like Gradey/Obagi/Walter and if need be a future 1st.

To me, I think those assets are good enough for Cleveland, especially if they go for a Gradey Dick + Quickley + 9th combo.

I think that's a lot though.

Is this really how people view Garlands value? I think that is a ridiculous amount, given how little he has proven in the playoffs, and how much he gets bullied on defense, being one of the smaller players in the league.

I mean I view Garland as pretty much the same. I don't think the interest is going to be as near as strong around the NBA as it is on realgm.

[The Real Dalic]

All I know is I'm not giving either Suggs or (especially) Franz for Garland. Which Cavs fans would say then you don't have a deal, and I agree. Garland on the Magic would be decent, but not without all of Suggs, Franz, and Paolo. Suggs' impact on winning is incredible and important. I'm not giving that up for anything less than a perenial all-star.

[PistolPeteJR]

Would the Cavs and Celtics be interested in a Brown/Garland swap of sorts?

[JonFromVA]

All I know is I'm not giving either Suggs or (especially) Franz for Garland. Which Cavs fans would say then you don't have a deal, and I agree. Garland on the Magic would be decent, but not without all of Suggs, Franz, and Paolo. Suggs' impact on winning is incredible and important. I'm not giving that up for anything less than a perenial all-star.

Wouldn't you give either up if Garland was on the precipice of becoming the next Nash, Steph, or perhaps even Brunson?

We're not seeing his upside because he's not able to finish seasons healthy and of course maybe he never will or perhaps his upside isn't that much higher than what we've seen? But that's why there can even be talk about the Cavs trading him in the first place.

If another team wants to assume that risk and give the Cavs something pretty much guaranteed to push them over the top, they will certainly listen.

Alas, that's not Suggs who's injury history has limited to all of 7 playoff games.

[shi-woo]

Raptors would probably give a pretty decent deal around one of RJ / Quickley, the 9th pick, a young prospect like Gradey/Obagi/Walter and if need be a future 1st.

To me, I think those assets are good enough for Cleveland, especially if they go for a Gradey Dick + Quickley + 9th combo.

I think that's a lot though.

Is this really how people view Garlands value? I think that is a ridiculous amount, given how little he has proven in the playoffs, and how much he gets bullied on defense, being one of the smaller players in the league.

He's a great player, was almost 50/40/90 shooting this year and can run an okay offense, but i'm not sure if the Mike Conley of his era so far is worth a 20/5/5 wing on a solid deal, a Top 10 pick in a draft everyone tells me is the greatest of all time (i'm joking, but not really though), and another young prospect.

I think getting 2 of those things is more of Garlands value, and even then, they are most likely throwing something else in because the 9 pick isn't just some throw away pick, and could potentially be more valuable than Garland to half the teams in the league depending who's there on draft night.

If HOU strikes out, I like them better as trading partners, as they can actually offer a similar package, but not have to worry about it as much as TOR, and won't feel the over pay.

Reed, Brooks, and #10 for Garland and Tyson/CPJ seems like a better trade, and better fit for both teams. Even then, I don't think you would need to throw in a player like Reed to get that done. Brooks might even hold more value than RJ given his defense and shooting from distance/the stripe.

Another team to look out for would be POR. A weird trade that works on the ESPN trade Machine that wouldn't surprise me:

CLE- Isaac Scoot #11

ORL- Simons

Por- Garland #16

That imo is the appropriate value for all parties involved, especially when you take into account the salary implications of that trade with both CLE and ORL saving some cash. ORL would then use their 2nd FRP to clear salary. POR gets the pick swap with ORL because they are sending out the most overall value, and it allows them to keep drafting talent. They are ready to fight for the playoffs with Garland in tow. CLE gets more depth, size, and adds to their already formidable defense with the ability to draft a shooter in the lottery ready to play like Knuepple. Issac's decreasing salary is also nice, and Scoot could easily breakout, given the game slowed down a lot for him last year, and his shot improved.

Luckily for CLE though, this will be a wild offseason with a lot of moving parts, and they should expect an over pay in that environment.

Wow you truly have never watched Garland play a single time have you? lol

You are calling underpays, overpays. Mind blowing.

A 2 time All-Star can bring back much better than the bust of Scoot, injury riddled Jonathan Isaac, and a rookie lmao

Yes, I am calling over/under it's the whole point of the thread

I've watched every single playoff game of his career, and in 22 games it doesn't look good. 17/6/3 on 43/34/87...Doesn't get to the line. Doesn't play defense. Gets hunted all night every night. Has been compromised the last two years...

2x AS in the East isn't very impressive. He's closer to De'Aron Fox talent wise, and value wise. Go look at recent trades for players of similar or greater skill, and what they went for.

Kyrie was traded to DAL for DFS, Spencer and a FRP
Fox was traded for Lavine
Derrick White was traded for JRich, Langford, and a FRP
Harden was traded to LAC for contracts and 2 mid FRP
Murray was traded for Daniels and 2 FRP
Dam was traded to MIL for Jrue
Jrue was traded to BOS for Malcolm, Time Lord, and 2 FRP

Most of those dudes are better players than Garland, and the value should seem pretty obvious for an AS level PG who is a 3rd option. A middling young prospect, and 2 mid FRP. The other option is getting back a worse player in a similar tier like the LeVine/Dame trade.

The 11 pick is more valuable than any of the picks in the above deals with the exception of maybe those Pel picks. Scoot is a similar prospect with higher potential than Time Lord, Daniels, Langford, DFS ect. Isaac is an All-Def player and a legit game changer. Cavs also get cap relief...

What is your expectation?

[Wolveswin]

Randle/Dillingham/#17

Randle to third team most likely.

[JujitsuFlip]

Go look at recent trades for players of similar or greater skill, and what they went for.

Kyrie was traded to DAL for DFS, Spencer and a FRP
Fox was traded for Lavine
Derrick White was traded for JRich, Langford, and a FRP
Harden was traded to LAC for contracts and 2 mid FRP
Murray was traded for Daniels and 2 FRP
Dame was traded to MIL for Jrue
Jrue was traded to BOS for Malcolm, Time Lord, and 2 FRP

First and foremost, no JI is not All-Defense, he's never made a team, probably bc he's never healthy. And no, I'd much rather have actual All-Defense player Daniels over Scoot.

To your trades, they need context because your talent evaluation is very suspect.

Kyrie was 30, expiring, and had the vaccine drama.

Fox was a 1 time AS with 1.5 years left on his deal. Older than Garland too at 27, what has he ever accomplished in the playoffs?

White is a zero time AS and had accomplished exactly what in the playoffs to that point? Older than Garland at 27 too.

Harden was 34, expiring, and super overweight. Historic playoff choker.

Murray was a 1 time AS and has accomplished what exactly in the playoffs?

Dame was 33 and i believe requested a trade.

Jrue was 33 and expiring.

Out of your 7 examples you didn't name a single 2 time All-Star, who is 25, and locked up for 3 more years.

So what do i expect? A better package than anything you just listed.

[shi-woo]

Go look at recent trades for players of similar or greater skill, and what they went for.

Kyrie was traded to DAL for DFS, Spencer and a FRP
Fox was traded for Lavine
Derrick White was traded for JRich, Langford, and a FRP
Harden was traded to LAC for contracts and 2 mid FRP
Murray was traded for Daniels and 2 FRP
Dame was traded to MIL for Jrue
Jrue was traded to BOS for Malcolm, Time Lord, and 2 FRP

First and foremost, no JI is not All-Defense, he's never made a team, probably bc he's never healthy. And no, I'd much rather have actual All-Defense player Daniels over Scoot.

To your trades, they need context because your talent evaluation is very suspect.

Kyrie was 30, expiring, and had the vaccine drama.

Fox was a 1 time AS with 1.5 years left on his deal. Older than Garland too at 27, what has he ever accomplished in the playoffs?

White is a zero time AS and had accomplished exactly what in the playoffs to that point? Older than Garland at 27 too.

Harden was 34, expiring, and super overweight. Historic playoff choker.

Murray was a 1 time AS and has accomplished what exactly in the playoffs?

Dame was 33 and i believe requested a trade.

Jrue was 33 and expiring.

Out of your 7 examples you didn't name a single 2 time All-Star, who is 25, and locked up for 3 more years.

So what do i expect? A better package than anything you just listed.

But Garland is a worse player than all of those guys though, with the exception of maybe Murray who checked out. All those dudes have far more success than Garland, and they did it either as 1 options, or won rings. Saying he's an AS is meaningless in an NBA were Jamal Magloire, Kyle Korver, Mo Williams and Jeff Teague also had the honors. Derrick White is not an all star, but most people on this board would probably agree he's a better and more valuable player than Garland.

You' can nit pick the same for Garland. Doesn't fit with Mitch, silently asked out last offseason if reports are to be believed. Constant let down in the PO, and has been hurt the past two years when his team needed him. Hasn't proven to be able to play with another talented ball handler. Gets hunted like he's Trae Young on D.

Everything you said about his peers are true about him.

I'm not saying that is the best deal, but akin to what a Garland deal will probably look like, and gave you the past 7 trades of AS level to All NBA level guards to show precedence. 1 mid prospect and 2 mid picks. Reed and Brooks is the other trade example I gave, and think it would be wild if Garland went for anything more than that.

There are only a limited amount of teams who are in need of a PG, so I don't see the demand for him like that. He's not fetching young prospects like Amen or Franz, so it's either going to be okay starter level guys, or mid prospects. I think CLE would look to add depth at the wing, and add a guard piece for cheap, given they can just resign Ty to replace Garlands shooting and playmaking. Which is another aspect of the trade you are missing if it happens. The cap implications.

[durden_tyler]

Ja Morant for Garland and Allen.

[jbk1234]

Is this really how people view Garlands value? I think that is a ridiculous amount, given how little he has proven in the playoffs, and how much he gets bullied on defense, being one of the smaller players in the league.

He's a great player, was almost 50/40/90 shooting this year and can run an okay offense, but i'm not sure if the Mike Conley of his era so far is worth a 20/5/5 wing on a solid deal, a Top 10 pick in a draft everyone tells me is the greatest of all time (i'm joking, but not really though), and another young prospect.

I think getting 2 of those things is more of Garlands value, and even then, they are most likely throwing something else in because the 9 pick isn't just some throw away pick, and could potentially be more valuable than Garland to half the teams in the league depending who's there on draft night.

If HOU strikes out, I like them better as trading partners, as they can actually offer a similar package, but not have to worry about it as much as TOR, and won't feel the over pay.

Reed, Brooks, and #10 for Garland and Tyson/CPJ seems like a better trade, and better fit for both teams. Even then, I don't think you would need to throw in a player like Reed to get that done. Brooks might even hold more value than RJ given his defense and shooting from distance/the stripe.

Another team to look out for would be POR. A weird trade that works on the ESPN trade Machine that wouldn't surprise me:

CLE- Isaac Scoot #11

ORL- Simons

Por- Garland #16

That imo is the appropriate value for all parties involved, especially when you take into account the salary implications of that trade with both CLE and ORL saving some cash. ORL would then use their 2nd FRP to clear salary. POR gets the pick swap with ORL because they are sending out the most overall value, and it allows them to keep drafting talent. They are ready to fight for the playoffs with Garland in tow. CLE gets more depth, size, and adds to their already formidable defense with the ability to draft a shooter in the lottery ready to play like Knuepple. Issac's decreasing salary is also nice, and Scoot could easily breakout, given the game slowed down a lot for him last year, and his shot improved.

Luckily for CLE though, this will be a wild offseason with a lot of moving parts, and they should expect an over pay in that environment.

Wow you truly have never watched Garland play a single time have you? lol

You are calling underpays, overpays. Mind blowing.

A 2 time All-Star can bring back much better than the bust of Scoot, injury riddled Jonathan Isaac, and a rookie lmao

Yes, I am calling over/under it's the whole point of the thread

I've watched every single playoff game of his career, and in 22 games it doesn't look good. 17/6/3 on 43/34/87...Doesn't get to the line. Doesn't play defense. Gets hunted all night every night. Has been compromised the last two years...

2x AS in the East isn't very impressive. He's closer to De'Aron Fox talent wise, and value wise. Go look at recent trades for players of similar or greater skill, and what they went for.

Kyrie was traded to DAL for DFS, Spencer and a FRP
Fox was traded for Lavine
Derrick White was traded for JRich, Langford, and a FRP
Harden was traded to LAC for contracts and 2 mid FRP
Murray was traded for Daniels and 2 FRP
Dam was traded to MIL for Jrue
Jrue was traded to BOS for Malcolm, Time Lord, and 2 FRP

Most of those dudes are better players than Garland, and the value should seem pretty obvious for an AS level PG who is a 3rd option. A middling young prospect, and 2 mid FRP. The other option is getting back a worse player in a similar tier like the LeVine/Dame trade.

The 11 pick is more valuable than any of the picks in the above deals with the exception of maybe those Pel picks. Scoot is a similar prospect with higher potential than Time Lord, Daniels, Langford, DFS ect. Isaac is an All-Def player and a legit game changer. Cavs also get cap relief...

What is your expectation?

My expectation is that Garland doesn't get traded tbh, but Fox was not traded for LaVine. We know that because Fox isn't on the Bulls roster. Look up what the Spurs actually traded for Fox.

[Asianiac_24]

How about Austin Reaves? I think Reaves would fit the Cavs perfectly, and Garland is a talent upgrade for the Lakers as well.